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Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.

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DaGwaphics

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Irrelevent. The "semantics" don't change the outcome. They do change the narrative you were trying to push

I never even mentioned per console in regards to this, just per user. I could have said averages per user, or something like that. It makes zero difference. My purpose for the post was to refute some craziness that was posted earlier, who cares about the cross-play thing, that was just an anecdotal example.
 
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Topher

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Are you saying that isn't what is happening when this is triggered? This only gets triggered if players on other platforms have a higher percentage of revenue than playtime (they are spending more on average).

No, that's not accurate either. PSN could have a higher revenue share than other platforms and still have a significantly higher game share percentage on PSN and this would kick in. So if PSN revenue share was 65% but the game share on PSN was 90% then this would get triggered.
 
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DForce

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It was on topic, you are the one who went off topic and are projecting. not to mention you responded to me, not the other way around. So you either dind't read what you responded to and should respond properly, or you're a coward.


So you dodged the issue of PS5 stock and went right back to the OTHER argument you still haven't provided facts for, the myth that the S is the best selling SKu (in general) for Xbox Series.

So first, I take it you gave up and realized that PS5 demand isn't the issue and is indeed false since you never will directly address the post which was focusing on that.

So now that you lost that argument we go back to the Series S.

nothing you showed shows the S is ahead, it showed some instances of some shipments and select times, in certain regions that the S SHIPPED more. Then for the few that were talking about sales, the difference is marginal and does not overwrite the other regions where the X is ahead significantly (such as Germany, France, Mexico, etc, at least the most recent data from them, which was awhile ago but we have not gotten anything more recent to contradict those.)

That does not mean the S has sold more than the X overall for Xbox Series. This is the part you seem to incompetent to comprehend. You are associating shipments, and some sales in a few regions like Japan, US, and UK(?) and using those marginal differences (some countries even more marginal than japan by near 2x) as proof the S has overall sold more than the X, and yet we are seeing in the most recent reports for other region the X ahead by substantial margins.

All data we have of sales in any country/region, at least the most recent we have that split them up, primarily have the X ahead, and any time the S is ahead, the difference is marginal. Between 45-80% in it's favor depending.

Again, the belief the S is the best selling unit for the Xbox Series consoles, which was what i said from the start, not region, but entirely, is a MYTH.

Unless you have sales showing otherwise that are recent in several countries you can't possibly say this is a fact without any actual evidence. At best you're making an assumption based on shipments which aren't sales, or sales that are marginal in a few regions.

There is no PROOF that the S has passed and became the best selling SKU over all for Xbox Series, there is no new recent data that contradict the previous reports from the other regions that had the X way out in front.

We can't just make ASSUMPTIONS and say it's true without the sales proof. Like the people assuming the PS3 was 2nd place when we DON'T have 360 sales because they haven't been reported.

Your whole argument is dishonest because you are making it seem like I made a country by country, or a NA/UK argument when I didn't, I made a general statement for all Xbox Series sales, and the person who first brought up the S selling best was also talking about that, making all your tweets and other stuff useless because you're being dishonest about the premise in the first place (not to mention bringing up shipments wouldn't help your case either way)
I'm not going off-topic. You're just not paying attention to what's going on.

This TOPIC is about the last 3 quarters, and you're accusing me of going off-topic. No one is talking about overall shipments throughout this entire generation, this is in regards to Xbox winning the last 3 quarters in North America.

You replied to someone's post that mention stock issues. If you read the topic again, then you will see that this is about the LAST 3 quarters.

He said there were stock issues for the PlayStation 5, and your response was, "So, is the Xbox Series X." Anyone who has been following sales over the past year knows the Xbox Series S is NOT out of stock, which in fact helped Microsoft "win" in North America within these past 3 quarters.

Why are you arguing with people and you can't even remember what this conversation is about?

Microsoft CEO: Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold PS5 in NA for 3 Qtrs in a Row. Sales tracking ahead of 360.​



You made this thread.

You HIGHLIGHTED the last 3 quarters on your first post, and now you want to talk about the ENTIRE generation. Now you're trying to backtrack by bringing up the entire generation.


The facts are there. People are talking about the last 3 quarters and bringing up the entire generation is irrelevant. There are several reports of the Xbox Series S being the reason why Xbox is winning over the PS5 with their stock issues.

I show you statements from Mat and Chris and you ignored it. You can't ignore facts.
 

DaGwaphics

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No, that's not accurate either. PSN could have a higher revenue share than other platforms and still have a significantly higher game share percentage on PSN and this would kick in. So if PSN revenue share was 65% but the game share was 90% then this would get triggered.

Thus I said a "higher percentage of revenue than playtime". If the other platforms have 35% of the revenue but only 10% of the playtime, they have a higher percentage of revenue than playtime. They are significantly over performing.
 
Not in regards to this cross-play royalty no. In the paragraph, yes.

I'm not really bothered about what terminology. Fact is the crossplay policy isn't some answer to xbox and nintendo customers outspending ps customers. It's more nuanced which the semantics demonstrate.

Anyway I respect that you only used that analogy as a counter to that other dumb argument whoever made it. Not disputing that
 
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I'm not going off-topic. You're just not paying attention to what's going on.

Yes you are, you are forgetting you RESPODNED TO ME, no the otheray around, you are now trying to remove context from the conversation you jumped into.

This TOPIC is about the last 3 quarters, and you're accusing me of going off-topic.
Because you are, as you jumped into a discussion within the thread and now pretending that didn't happen because you know you didn't read properly.

Why are you arguing with people and you can't even remember what this conversation is about?
Your projecting, you first entered as well as another person screwing up on me mentioning the S leading was a myth, and misreading that as the PS5. Both of you jumped into an ongoing conversation within the thread making the same mistake, and then you changed to talkin about the S but still didn't follow the conversation directly, there is no proof that the S is the leading console of all Series sales, that was where the whole MYTH statement came form in the first place.

Your poor reading comprehension is not relevant to the conversation you bumped yourself in.

You can't ignore facts.
But for some reason you think you can. So made up your own fake ones.
 

Topher

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Thus I said a "higher percentage of revenue than playtime". If the other platforms have 35% of the revenue but only 10% of the playtime, they have a higher percentage of revenue than playtime. They are significantly over performing.

Over performing as a platform for buying content? Sure, I guess. At that point the platform where the content it bought is really there just as a means of convenience rather than gameplay. Which is why this probably aimed more at mobile devices and Fortnite than anything else. Guy buys some stuff on his phone and then there it is on his PlayStation later on when he is ready to play. Trying to derive some console war meaning out of all this doesn't make any sense to me though.
 
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DForce

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Yes you are, you are forgetting you RESPODNED TO ME, no the otheray around, you are now trying to remove context from the conversation you jumped into.
You made this thread and the first post you made was highlighting comments that specifically mentioned the last 3 quarters

How can you not understand that he was talking about supply issues during these last 3 quarters?
Because you are, as you jumped into a discussion within the thread and now pretending that didn't happen because you know you didn't read properly.

Because you said the Xbox Series X was also out-of-stock and failed to mention Xbox Series S, which had healthy stock during these last 3 quarters.
Your projecting, you first entered as well as another person screwing up on me mentioning the S leading was a myth, and misreading that as the PS5. Both of you jumped into an ongoing conversation within the thread making the same mistake, and then you changed to talkin about the S but still didn't follow the conversation directly, there is no proof that the S is the leading console of all Series sales, that was where the whole MYTH statement came form in the first place.

Your poor reading comprehension is not relevant to the conversation you bumped yourself in.


But for some reason you think you can. So made up your own fake ones.

Not misreading anything.


You called it a myth that Xbox Series S was leading in sales. This entire conversation has to do with the last 3 quarters.



I showed you the last 3 quarters from Japan.

Here is the statement from the UK.

This topic is about the last 3 quarters. His comment was about the last 3 quarters.

Did you highlight the last 3 quarter statements from Satya Nadella? Yes, you did. Will anyone reading that and the topic at hand reply to it? Yes, they will. If this topic has to do with the last 3 quarters, will they talk about overall sales? No, they won't.

So at this point, you have to admit that the Xbox Series S was the leading SKU for MS these past 3 quarters, and it's a big reason why they had a lot of success in North America.


Considering that you keep bringing up the entire year after I pointed out that we were talking about the last 3 quarters, you're going to find anything in your power to spin this.
 

DaGwaphics

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Over performing as a platform for buying content? Sure, I guess. At that point the platform where the content it bought is really there just as a means of convenience rather than gameplay. Which is why this probably aimed more at mobile devices and Fortnite than anything else. Guy buys some stuff on his phone and then there it is on his PlayStation later on when he is ready to play. Trying to derive some console war meaning out of all this doesn't make any sense to me though.

It's true that we don't know if this agreement extends to other games, most of which don't have mobile counterparts, etc. I highly doubt there are many situations where players are purchasing content on Xbox or Switch so they can use it later on PS. 🤷‍♂️

Say 10% of playtime was on Switch and those users never touched a PS in their life, but they are playing crossplay against those players, and their purchases equal 20% of the revenue. Must be a higher percentage of whales there, that's a user base that is over performing in $ or $ per minute or however you choose to categorize it.

From what I'm seeing this royalty is based on playtime of the game across all platforms during cross platform play and all revenue generated from that, not something that is limited to just users that accessed the software on PS along with other devices. Off topic for this thread anyway.
 
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This is a thread about MS celebrating their recent sales figures. No gymnastics involved. Your point is disingenuous.

My point is a simple fact. If you believe otherwise, then maybe the issue lies with you and your rather childish need to defend plastic boxes instead of enjoying the actual games. Those things that are the entire purpose of buying a console to begin with?
 

Sosokrates

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First off, Microsoft WILL enforce that mandate until the end of the generation. It's not even a conversation devs will even worry about since they'll be happy to target an audience of millions of Series S owners.
But more importantly, we already have examples of beautiful games that still retain 95% of their visual quality on the Series S. Flight Sim looks spectacular there, as does Forza Horizon 5. Matrix is probably the most next gen thing we've seen running so far... And it runs on the Series S with some cutbacks.

Hellblade 2 and the Coalition's next AAA game will push Best-in-class visuals and will run on the Series S. So no need for you to wait years until the GTA6 reveal.

This whole thing seems like wishful thinking on your part. Even you must know that you're bound to be gravely disappointed when the XSS gets strongly supported to the end of the gen.
Exactly.

Ive been saying for a long time that game engines are very scalable and the resolution ps5 and xsx are aiming allows for an a decent experience at a power level of the XSS.
 
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teezzy

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My point is a simple fact. If you believe otherwise, then maybe the issue lies with you and your rather childish need to defend plastic boxes instead of enjoying the actual games. Those things that are the entire purpose of buying a console to begin with?

Quit projecting. I currently own a Series X, a Switch, and a PC. I owned a PS4 briefly last gen as well, and have a long history with Sony products.

This isn't about knocking Playstation, just discussing the industry and sales figures. Don't click on inside baseball threads if you're going to take such a preachy deductive stance.

This is an interesting turning point for the Xbox brand. It is worthy of discussion.
 

marjo

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Bethesda/idsoftware would have traditionally been considered AA devs IMO

 

Ozriel

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AAA, AA and A is about spend and usual involves cutting edge rendering techniques, not how successful a game sells. And I said traditionally, today they presumably are a AAA spending dev, which make Starfield day 1 on gamepass an interesting situation, especially as it is a new ip

It’s amazing how you’re wrong in nearly every post.
We’ve been having first party AAA games on Gamepass day 1 for quite a while now. Gears 5, Halo Infinite etc. Games don’t come anymore AAA than Call of Duty, and those are Gamepass bound day one when the acquisition closes.

Also, the bulk of costs for video game development isn’t ‘Cutting edge rendering techniques’. Hellblade looked just a gorgeous at release as any AAA game on the PS4…and it was made on an AA budget. The bulk of costs come from paying the salaries of the development team…and when you assemble a large group of highly experienced developers, writers etc as Bethesda did and develop a game over 3 years, you’re definitely on an AAA budget.


My point is a simple fact. If you believe otherwise, then maybe the issue lies with you and your rather childish need to defend plastic boxes instead of enjoying the actual games. Those things that are the entire purpose of buying a console to begin with?

Read the bloody thread title. And before you come for me with your bait, I own everything you can conceivably game on
 

Sosokrates

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If it gets strongly supported then so be it, but Xbox's gamepass strategy has been reported to be at odds with the handheld market leader and the home console market leader's strategies for game development, and other big publishers might align closer to Nintendo and PlayStation IMO. Companies like Rockstar.

I think the XsS is a cynical move and see it being most profitable for devs as MTX sales channel, so obviously I'm not a fan. But am oaky waiting to see what the market decides when GPUs with RT cores get to the £130 price point of moving up PC requirements.

Take2's main objective is to make as much money as possible.

Xbox series consoles are on track to at least sell as well as the 360. So theres no way they skip Xbox. Especially if we consider Xbox will eventually let purchased games playable on Xcloud.

The seriesS wont be an issue for R* and GTA6, if we look at RDR2 they will probably go down a similar path but with improvements made in lighting, increased geometry, better textures and more NPCs,animals and other things. The SSD and CPU are probably the most important things for R* this gen. The seriesS version will probably have reduced texture quality,and a lower resolution, maybe lower shadow resolution and things like that, but it will still maintain all the main visual advances, but at 1080p.
 
It’s amazing how you’re wrong in nearly every post.
We’ve been having first party AAA games on Gamepass day 1 for quite a while now. Gears 5, Halo Infinite etc. Games don’t come anymore AAA than Call of Duty, and those are Gamepass bound day one when the acquisition closes.

Also, the bulk of costs for video game development isn’t ‘Cutting edge rendering techniques’. Hellblade looked just a gorgeous at release as any AAA game on the PS4…and it was made on an AA budget. The bulk of costs come from paying the salaries of the development team…and when you assemble a large group of highly experienced developers, writers etc as Bethesda did and develop a game over 3 years, you’re definitely on an AAA budget.




Read the bloody thread title. And before you come for me with your bait, I own everything you can conceivably game on
Quit projecting. I currently own a Series X, a Switch, and a PC. I owned a PS4 briefly last gen as well, and have a long history with Sony products.

This isn't about knocking Playstation, just discussing the industry and sales figures. Don't click on inside baseball threads if you're going to take such a preachy deductive stance.

This is an interesting turning point for the Xbox brand. It is worthy of discussion.

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PaintTinJr

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Take2's main objective is to make as much money as possible.

Xbox series consoles are on track to at least sell as well as the 360. So theres no way they skip Xbox. Especially if we consider Xbox will eventually let purchased games playable on Xcloud.

The seriesS wont be an issue for R* and GTA6, if we look at RDR2 they will probably go down a similar path but with improvements made in lighting, increased geometry, better textures and more NPCs,animals and other things. The SSD and CPU are probably the most important things for R* this gen. The seriesS version will probably have reduced texture quality,and a lower resolution, maybe lower shadow resolution and things like that, but it will still maintain all the main visual advances, but at 1080p.
What would stop them doing a timed exclusive for PC/PS5?

As I've tried to discuss, the gamepass setup with all 1st party xbox games on the service at day 1 means that consoles sold may not translate to like for like with 3rd party sales success on xbox as the 360 did.

The roughly AMD RX6500XT spec of the XsS is probably a little below the desired target hardware Rockstar would want to show their next-gen credentials with their next game. It is harder an harder to wow people with improved visuals - which has been the method of new gens - so I think they will need more than that to discern the look of their next game from GTA5/RDR2 on a X1X/Pro, to incerase the chances of it being super successful too.
 
It was on topic, you are the one who went off topic and are projecting. not to mention you responded to me, not the other way around. So you either dind't read what you responded to and should respond properly, or you're a coward.
As I said. Prove it. What did I say that was off topic? And no. I was not responding to you at first. You responded to me first. Just click back in the discussion until you find the first post I made that you first responded to. You’re mixing everything up, most likely because you are responding to a bunch of people.
 
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Sosokrates

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What would stop them doing a timed exclusive for PC/PS5?

As I've tried to discuss, the gamepass setup with all 1st party xbox games on the service at day 1 means that consoles sold may not translate to like for like with 3rd party sales success on xbox as the 360 did.

The roughly AMD RX6500XT spec of the XsS is probably a little below the desired target hardware Rockstar would want to show their next-gen credentials with their next game. It is harder an harder to wow people with improved visuals - which has been the method of new gens - so I think they will need more than that to discern the look of their next game from GTA5/RDR2 on a X1X/Pro, to incerase the chances of it being super successful too.

Gamepass is not going to efffect games which are not on the service. People will still buy games if they want to play them.

The only chance GTA6 is timed exclusive is if sony pays like $500 million, and MS would probably counter.

Theres as much chance in Microsoft infiltrating Naughty dog and convincing all the ND employees to come make a new studio for ms called "cheeky cat"
 

SlimySnake

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What would stop them doing a timed exclusive for PC/PS5?

As I've tried to discuss, the gamepass setup with all 1st party xbox games on the service at day 1 means that consoles sold may not translate to like for like with 3rd party sales success on xbox as the 360 did.

The roughly AMD RX6500XT spec of the XsS is probably a little below the desired target hardware Rockstar would want to show their next-gen credentials with their next game. It is harder an harder to wow people with improved visuals - which has been the method of new gens - so I think they will need more than that to discern the look of their next game from GTA5/RDR2 on a X1X/Pro, to incerase the chances of it being super successful too.
Gta6 started dev in 2014. It is most likely a last gen game.
 

tibia

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Not sure how common this is out there but my friends and I (not Xbox players) account for about 10ish Xbox Series S for retroarch. You can play Dreamcast/Gamecube/Wii/Ps2 games. It is insanely cool.
 

PaintTinJr

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Both consoles play the same games. They should be added together just like PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Is it really as clear cut as that? Mid-gen refreshes usually resulted in the original consoles getting traded or given to someone else - without the base console - thereby expanding the audience buying 3rd party A-AAA games that is the metric of the userbase that matters in regard of market share to platform holders.

Here on GAF I've lost count of the number of people saying they bought an XsS for the bedroom to pair with a XsX, meaning it is just 1 set of games sold between 2 console sales. Attachment rate figures for Series would be interesting if gamepass didn't distort things.
 
How did this reach 18 pages?
Xbox managed to ship more units than PS5 in a single country for 3 quarters.
This is a FACT. There's no way around it.

We already know all 3 os them are close as fuck this year so far anyway...
 

John Wick

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Exactly. The argument that no one wants a Xbox because they're easy to find, despite them outselling the PS5, doesn't work in this case especially when you look at the Switch. You can easily find Switch consoles on the shelves, yet it continues to outsell both the Xbox and PS5. No one is screaming that no one wants a Switch because you can find consoles. The logical explanation is that both Nintendo and MS have solved their manufacturing and logistics issues and can regularly get stock to consumers, while Sony hasn't. And if I were a Sony shareholder, I'd be demanding answers why the newly-installed head of SIE cannot get product on store shelves when his two direct competitors are able to.
What? Switch is old tech. Not even manufacturered on the latest nodes. It is easier to get parts for it.
So MS has solved the manufacture for SX? Clearly you must live somewhere where they are sitting on shelves?
The only thing MS has solved is SS supply. As of right now both Series consoles combined are behind PS5.
 

ManaByte

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You've completely dodged the SX eh? The one you can hardly find anywhere
If you bothered to read the thread, which you didn’t do because you decided to just come in and snipe and bait people into arguments, you’d see the posts where it’s regularly in stock directly from Microsoft and I just checked and it still is:

At least in Southern California, retail stores have never stocked either $500 console due to them releasing during COVID and they’ve always been online only. Only the $300 Switch and Series S seem to be stocked physically on store shelves.
 
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