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Naughty Dog Announces Development Delay on TLoU MP (MP Dev Team 'Significantly Scaled Down,' Bloomberg Reports)
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Schmendrick
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So Factions in development hell and one hell of an incompetent PC port.
Naughty Dog's reputation is getting a few blemishes there.
Naughty Dog's reputation is getting a few blemishes there.
Varteras
Gold Member
That you Hendricks?
Schmendrick
Member
So insecure that you have to get defensive over simple facts?
Varteras
Gold Member
It is you!
yurinka
Member
The name isn't development hell, it's called normal AAA game development. Even if they almost mean the same.
Yes, because SSM had less development teams than ND and specially Insomniac. Now SSM is supposed to have 2 if it's true that Cory's new IP pitch from late 20218 was greenlighted and are working on it.
It has been delayed to make changes, which doesn't mean it's in development hell.
Seems that Bungie reviewed the game suggested some changes to increase its player engagement, which means to ensure its servers aren't almost empty soon after release. They know a thing or two about this, because Destiny 2 has now more active players than ever, at least in Steam.
So they delayed it to implement them. That's all.
Are you serious or joking? These 3 years they have been developing this game.
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Balducci30
Member
Bummer. Kinda wish they would’ve just focused on a single player game from the start
Bumblebeetuna
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yurinka
Member
In that interview he never said that they weren't going to make crossgen games. In fact he said there that they were going to continue supporting PS4 several years after PS5 release because most players were going to take several years to make the jump.
Gambit2483
Member
So they're increasing their investments in GaaS products..
They have this GaaS product in development for a long time, in one of the most popular IP they own..
So they scale down the dev team?
It's going to be killed off. They just don't want to say it yet because "total mindshare".
abacab driver
Banned
I'm sure they took their sweet time on that recent PC port too, eh?
Varteras
Gold Member
cash_longfellow
Gold Member
This was actually the type of response I was looking for
No, but seriously how much does this spin off really matter, and how long will it really last before “servers are shutting down next month”?
Why are we okay with a $10 price hike on full games…and now separating the multiplayer that was included in the full game to begin with before?
It’s not okay, and the longer people support this trash, the more trash will fold the market…
If you need evidence, rewatch the PS showcase.
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
As someone who doesn't give a flying f*ck about that game, It's hard for me to care, I much rather see what Naughty Dog do next.
balls of snow
Member
Well at least the shit storm happen midgen. We still have hope for Sony to pivot back to normal 2015-2022 years before ps6.
LostInTime
Banned
That's where I'm at. It's just another GAAS battle royle style game. Basically all Sony has now are Marvel games and GAAS. It's pretty lame.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But it *is* the studios first live service game. Of all the criticism, this is the weirdest one.
feynoob
Banned
Think of it like halo infinite f2p.
The MP mode was baked inside of the sp game. But since 343i decided to make it standalone, it failed badly.
If MS had someone like bungie, they would have advised them not to publish that game, and save some face.
abacab driver
Banned
Really makes me appreciate the studios that consistently deliver solid single player + multiplayer, every time out.
ChorizoPicozo
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Examples?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
what he meant was:
Redfall
Puscifer
Member
Where did you read this?
Mercenary09
Member
All I know is this is going to be the longest we've gone without getting a new Naughty Dog game by a fair amount.
2013- TLOU
2016 - Uncharted 4
2017 - Uncharted Lost Legacy
2020 - TLOU2
2023 now which is 3 years which is the longest we went before without getting a new game and we don't even have footage of what's next. I'd be shocked if we play a new Naughty Dog game prior to 2025 as I'm betting that single player game started up not that long ago. Yes there was TLOU Part 1 but that was apparently being done by someone else and then given to Naughty Dog to finish up and it wasn't a new game anyway. Maybe Neil needs to focus more on his studio and less on making TV shows.
2013- TLOU
2016 - Uncharted 4
2017 - Uncharted Lost Legacy
2020 - TLOU2
2023 now which is 3 years which is the longest we went before without getting a new game and we don't even have footage of what's next. I'd be shocked if we play a new Naughty Dog game prior to 2025 as I'm betting that single player game started up not that long ago. Yes there was TLOU Part 1 but that was apparently being done by someone else and then given to Naughty Dog to finish up and it wasn't a new game anyway. Maybe Neil needs to focus more on his studio and less on making TV shows.
James Sawyer Ford
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vaibhavpisal
Member
So basically everything has to be homogenised according to Bungie vision.
Naughty Dog should be given a chance to develop its own method of player engagement and retention.
Say what you will about Redfall, I don't think it will have issues with retention and engagement once it's firing on all cylinders with constant slew of updates. It feels good to explore and play.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
play station is already suffering from homogeneity between their games.
I don't think this PS can create a new Multiplayer/GaaS genre-experience.
even studios with MP expertise are struggling (Overwatch)
mrmustard
Banned
Months ago it i read they planned something like 'cinematic experience between players'. I guess Bungie told them it has low replay value and no long-term motivation, but that's what Sony wants.
Me after reading the ND statement and me after reading the Tweet from William R. Aguilar:
Me after reading the ND statement and me after reading the Tweet from William R. Aguilar:
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I think it might be the opposite, i.e., Naughty Dog would be going easy on monetization, while Bungie suggested more aggressive and long-term-sustainable monetization tactics.
Overall, I think it came down to post-launch support. Naughty Dog was never great at that, while Bungie really is. ND likely did not have solid plans for post-launch support, which could make this game like a Halo Infinite.
I don't see Sony abandoning this project anytime soon. This IP is too big now, and TLOU Online is most likely to be successful among all their other new GaaS initiatives.
They will reassess, come up with a solid post-launch roadmap with support from Bungie (most likely based on Seasons and Expansion story drops), and release this game in 2-3 years.
On the other hand, I think it'd be a good for Sony to reassess whether they want studios like ND, SSM, SP, and Insomniac to make these GaaS games. I don't think they should be making them. Let specialized teams handle those games. For instance, they could expand Firewalk or Bungie and ask them to make an MP game in the TLOU or Ghost of Tsushima universe. AAA game development now takes way too long to be able to afford experimentations and learnings.
Varteras
Gold Member
While I personally would not want to try something that is outside of my studio's forte, without having another of our usual projects in the works simultaneously, I think it also comes down to what the studio really wanted to do. If they decided on their own that they really wanted to pursue this, so be it. If that's what they were passionate about, let them pursue it. Don't force them to work on something they don't want to or tell them they can't try something they really want to. That's how you lose talent. That's how you stagnate your teams. Sony shouldn't be going around telling these studios "no" to what they want to work on. But, they should advise against it if they feel it might not be a good idea. With the understanding that should they waste a bunch of time and money, there are consequences.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What, can you show me this opposite response to the showcase please? Becuase all I've heard personally from people in work etc was it wasn't that great.
cripterion
Member
Did I dream or I read an interview a couple months back that it was looking awesome and it was gonna rock our socks off?
Negotiator101
Member
It's my opinion this project was forced on them by the powers that be to be something far bigger than the original MP component of TLOU2. They are not a MP developer and its pretty obvious their hearts not in this. Seems the SP game has been in development for a while with a smaller team so hopefully we'll see that at some point soon.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah, that's a good point.
It's very easy to fall into the trap of making these studios "games factory" rather than creative outlets.
Yoboman
Member
Just go on TikTok. They all think Spiderman 2 is the best thing ever, MGS3 is an exclusive and love CG trailers. They also lose their minds over Friday Night At Freddy's and Destiny 2 expansion Cayde 6 6 return
This is how the more casual gamer is different to us
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Please share more terrible takes
. It's hilarious you're trying to paint as if Naughty Dog and 343i are of the same caliber. Naughty Dog's last game was a 93 MC that won 322 GOTY awards from media and gamers, which became the record-holder for the most number of GOTY awards ever in history, and sold over 10 million copies in quick time.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Please share more terrible takes
Naughty Dog's last game was a 93 MC that won 322 GOTY awards from media and gamers, which became the record-holder for the most number of GOTY awards ever in history, and sold over 10 million copies in quick time.
I would challenge Naughty Dog to release a supposedly "work in progress" game and still win GAF GOTY.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS!
My god! Feature creep sucks, but this my friends will be our new future with Jimbo's GAAS love. The old Sony is gone. Welcome to the Xbox version of Playstation. I can't wait for Jim Ryan to get fired. ND will NEVER get those 3 lost years back.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
In hindsight, yes. But they wanted to do something new and ambitious. Had it worked, they could have got a billion-dollar hit and lots of recurring revenue. That would have allowed them to expand their studio significantly and make pursue multiple projects simultaneously.
Very much like Respawn. Apex Legends was a hit, and look at them doing wonders now. Playing a leading role in EA's game catalog development, Star Wars Jedi, Jedi Survivor, and they have another unannounced Star Wars project in development.
Lucifers Beard
Member
AAA gaming is an absolute mess at the moment. The whole industry needs resetting I feel like at this point.
EDMIX
Member
yea I don't know about all that.
MP titles, I feel maybe with an established IP like this, they should come in hot, show a trailer, then do a deep dive, announce the beta is that very day, announce release date or even shadow drop it as that did wonders for APEX.
If they are indeed in development hell, a CG trailer might hurt as its now hyping up something that has components that might be uncertain if they'll even launch with the game or something, so I think this is one of those things where its better to limit the info until they feel 100% sure, so when its shown, they can capitalize on that hype cause someone can play its beta or full game etc.
As long as the total revenue numbers go up, that ain't going to happen unless he has some skeleton's in the closet
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It gets worse...
Apparently Bungie looked over a build of the game and reported back saying it looked dogshit
Well thank god for Bungie then. That's $1 billion well spent. Now we wait 3 years to see a 30 second video of their next single player game. Which means we will go 6 or so years between their last game and "seeing" a video of their next game.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
It’s in that article Bloomberg or whatever