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Papa

Banned
I never did say I think NI was banned for being a liberal, vis a vis your equality of outcome argument. I didn't interpret his behavior to be any more worse than other posters, but it's not like I keep a tally of every single thing that people write that annoys me, and then cross reference that with the things that banned users have said, so it could be personal bias talking. In general, I err on the side of letting people talk and am very lenient in what I would consider to be "bannable offenses".

I'm not embarrassed because I don't see that list as representative of my politics. My agreement on certain issues may overlap, but that applies to basically everyone that posts here. If you think that I'm forming my opinion off of a tribal basis, let me assure you that I'm not. If anything, I should be embarrassed at how thinned skin some users can get when getting triggered by the liberals.

That's great if they're not representative of your politics. I wasn't singling you out specifically but cited you as you were one of the defenders of NI in this thread.

Wrapping him in cotton wool to protect him from the consequences of his bad behaviour and effectively helicopter parenting him is likely how he ended up that way. I don't think we should be continuing that for him as an adult (he claims to be 27 despite demonstrating the emotional maturity of a 15 year old). While I think we should try to help him improve where possible, I don't think we as a gaming forum hold any responsibility for it. I agree with you when you say we should let people talk and be very lenient on moderator actions, but I would argue that the mods have done exactly that with NI over the past year or so. The most egregious aspect of his behaviour is the willingness to lie to further his agenda. That is subversive and often hard to identify due to its covert nature, but has the potential to do great harm to your community if allowed to go unmoderated.
 

Papa

Banned
I guess it’s subjective, really. I don’t see it this way, but that’s just my POV.

You are almost as difficult to have a conversation with because you drop your ink and swim away like a squid whenever questioned, but I think you're at least trying to be honest unlike NI.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I like how even after death ban, Nobody Important still is the talk of the town.

I dont agree with blanket calling people with a view other than yours as "overgrown children LARPing as leftists who were banned for their behaviour," and that i should be embarrassed if i see them as representative of my own political views.

By using and displaying such blanket calling, and dogmocking elsewhere that intensely, you become the very thing you dislike.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
That's great if they're not representative of your politics. I wasn't singling you out specifically but cited you as you were one of the defenders of NI in this thread.

Wrapping him in cotton wool to protect him from the consequences of his bad behaviour and effectively helicopter parenting him is likely how he ended up that way. I don't think we should be continuing that for him as an adult (he claims to be 27 despite demonstrating the emotional maturity of a 15 year old). While I think we should try to help him improve where possible, I don't think we as a gaming forum hold any responsibility for it. I agree with you when you say we should let people talk and be very lenient on moderator actions, but I would argue that the mods have done exactly that with NI over the past year or so. The most egregious aspect of his behaviour is the willingness to lie to further his agenda. That is subversive and often hard to identify due to its covert nature, but has the potential to do great harm to your community if allowed to go unmoderated.
It's not great. Nor should it be bad. Viewing it in those terms leads to tribalist behavior. When you criticize others for their over-generalizations, be aware that this applies to everyone here, even you, and to be careful, lest you also become the thing you abhor.
 

Solomeena

Banned
I like how even after death ban, Nobody Important still is the talk of the town.

I dont agree with blanket calling people with a view other than yours as "overgrown children LARPing as leftists who were banned for their behaviour," and that i should be embarrassed if i see them as representative of my own political views.

By using and displaying such blanket calling, and dogmocking elsewhere that intensely, you become the very thing you dislike.

Everyone who was not a buddy of NI knew his ban was coming, we didn't need to talk about it. But you know, when heavily SJW leaning posters get their comeuppance you just know one of his fellow buddies is going to cry. Not going to sit around and let people frame NI as some amazing poster when all he does is try his best to bring his brand of SJW to bare on GAF, no thanks.
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
If he was banned for being a leftist, why did it happen now and not a year ago?

Stupid conspiracy is stupid.
 
I think ifs pretty clear that there’s a more popular political leaning on here, or at least a clear “most popular.”

And that’s fine, I mean that’s life.

But I feel NI is in the same situation as TLW, in terms of activity generated per post. It feels like there’s a dozen people waiting for him to click “post reply” so they can just bomb on him no matter what that post contains. On the flip side I’ve seen some weird shit posted by a right leaning post go competed unchallenged ( video of an alleged gay guy drinking piss in public? In a thread that basically tries to link LGBQT community to widespread pedophilia? Wtf?)

I’ve felt that way about a poster from time to time but I try to let it go, it seems like grudges get held a little bit longer for some posters though. To be dead honest, I kind of regret posting support for AOC, and for speaking out as a liberal in some threads. It feels like a friendly rapport with some regulars has been lost ever since, and that bums me out. But I’m also a bit too sensitive, so maybe I’m imagining it. In regards to supporting AOC, it almost felt like being put on trial at one point.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
I’ve felt that way about a poster from time to time but I try to let it go, it seems like grudges get held a little bit longer for some posters though. To be dead honest, I kind of regret posting support for AOC, and for speaking out as a liberal in some threads. It feels like a friendly rapport with some regulars has been lost ever since, and that bums me out. But I’m also a bit too sensitive, so maybe I’m imagining it. In regards to supporting AOC, it almost felt like being put on trial at one point.

Don't take it to heart, Jare. It's okay to have a crush. ;b
 

Acerac

Banned
I think ifs pretty clear that there’s a more popular political leaning on here, or at least a clear “most popular.”

And that’s fine, I mean that’s life.

But I feel NI is in the same situation as TLW, in terms of activity generated per post. It feels like there’s a dozen people waiting for him to click “post reply” so they can just bomb on him no matter what that post contains. On the flip side I’ve seen some weird shit posted by a right leaning post go competed unchallenged ( video of an alleged gay guy drinking piss in public? In a thread that basically tries to link LGBQT community to widespread pedophilia? Wtf?)

I’ve felt that way about a poster from time to time but I try to let it go, it seems like grudges get held a little bit longer for some posters though. To be dead honest, I kind of regret posting support for AOC, and for speaking out as a liberal in some threads. It feels like a friendly rapport with some regulars has been lost ever since, and that bums me out. But I’m also a bit too sensitive, so maybe I’m imagining it. In regards to supporting AOC, it almost felt like being put on trial at one point.
I'm a gay guy. The community has a problem with widespread pedophilia. The fact that people are too cowardly to confront the issue has only lead to it getting worse.

People act the way they do towards you and NI because your methods of debate are... well... it is more often how you guys present your arguments than what they are. Right here you act disgusted about an accusation towards the lgbt community when in reality it has merit and you are just ignorant of the situation. It ain't a good look.
 

Papa

Banned
I think ifs pretty clear that there’s a more popular political leaning on here, or at least a clear “most popular.”

And that’s fine, I mean that’s life.

But I feel NI is in the same situation as TLW, in terms of activity generated per post. It feels like there’s a dozen people waiting for him to click “post reply” so they can just bomb on him no matter what that post contains. On the flip side I’ve seen some weird shit posted by a right leaning post go competed unchallenged ( video of an alleged gay guy drinking piss in public? In a thread that basically tries to link LGBQT community to widespread pedophilia? Wtf?)

I’ve felt that way about a poster from time to time but I try to let it go, it seems like grudges get held a little bit longer for some posters though. To be dead honest, I kind of regret posting support for AOC, and for speaking out as a liberal in some threads. It feels like a friendly rapport with some regulars has been lost ever since, and that bums me out. But I’m also a bit too sensitive, so maybe I’m imagining it. In regards to supporting AOC, it almost felt like being put on trial at one point.

Personally, I tease you for the AOC stuff because you blindly lead her cheer squad due to your crush and refuse to criticise absurd policy proposals like guaranteeing economic security for those unwilling to work. If you want to take that as anything more than light-hearted ribbing, especially after the love I have tried to show you over the past few months, then yes you are far too sensitive.
 

Papa

Banned
JareBear: Remastered JareBear: Remastered learn from brap brap . I tease him for his fetishes but he knows it’s nothing more than that and can laugh at himself (and even tease me back). Knowing your foibles — in your case, blind love of AOC — and being able to engage in self-deprecating humour is part of being a good, well-rounded adult.
 

Papa

Banned
I like how even after death ban, Nobody Important still is the talk of the town.

I dont agree with blanket calling people with a view other than yours as "overgrown children LARPing as leftists who were banned for their behaviour," and that i should be embarrassed if i see them as representative of my own political views.

By using and displaying such blanket calling, and dogmocking elsewhere that intensely, you become the very thing you dislike.
It's not great. Nor should it be bad. Viewing it in those terms leads to tribalist behavior. When you criticize others for their over-generalizations, be aware that this applies to everyone here, even you, and to be careful, lest you also become the thing you abhor.

You two are missing the point. I'm saying that those people I listed should not be considered as representative of the left. I'm not engaging in tribalist behaviour, i.e. that which I abhor, because I'm saying that they're No True Leftists. I was very specific in who I listed and didn't just throw a blanket over banned "leftists" -- they were all banned for childish outrage behaviour that is associated with the ideological left, not the rational left, and you can feel free to go through the ban history and look at what got them banned if you don't believe me. Guys like @hariseldon and strange headache strange headache are who I see as the rational leftists on GAF because they criticise from a position of class, not identity, and they never resort to outrage as a rhetorical device. I don't agree with them on everything but we can at least discuss without them inferring that I'm a Nazi or some other kind of deplorable.
 
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SLoWMoTIoN

Unconfirmed Member
Taking shit about a politician shouldn't get you a ban on a gaming website.
Being a dick either. Being downright hateful should. Also not going into work is the best way of quitting your job imo.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
You two are missing the point. I'm saying that those people I listed should not be considered as representative of the left. I'm not engaging in tribalist behaviour, i.e. that which I abhor, because I'm saying that they're No True Leftists. I was very specific in who I listed and didn't just throw a blanket over banned "leftists" -- they were all banned for childish outrage behaviour that is associated with the ideological left, not the rational left, and you can feel free to go through the ban history and look at what got them banned if you don't believe me. Guys like @hariseldon and strange headache strange headache are who I see as the rational leftists on GAF because they criticise from a position of class, not identity, and they never resort to outrage as a rhetorical device. I don't agree with them on everything but we can at least discuss without them inferring that I'm a Nazi or some other kind of deplorable.

How dare you call me rational you nazi cunt. I identify as an irrational fuckwit.
 

petran79

Banned
Users were permabanned here for racist and far right comments or provoking violence, even against whites. No need for warnings in such cases. Try provoking violence against whites on the other forum and you could be promoted to a mod.
Politics thread is a minefield where anyone can step over the line. It may not happen the first time but the second or third one definitely.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
I think ifs pretty clear that there’s a more popular political leaning on here, or at least a clear “most popular.”

And that’s fine, I mean that’s life.

I would say that there's probably more vocal right wing posters in the political threads, but there is still a reasonable mix, and given most of the big gaming sites skew to extreme left it's probably not a bad thing to have somewhere for the guys who don't lean that way. There are some posters here who I find very distasteful, such as the guy who keeps posting anti-trans threads (I honestly have no idea how he's not copped a ban yet - he seems to have an agenda), the crazy eugenicist transhumanist guy and a few mad libertarians. On the other hand there are guys from the rational end of the right, who largely share the same goals as the socialist (not social-justice) left, ie they want hard-working people who currently don't do so well to do ok. We disagree on implementation, those guys favouring smaller government getting out of the way and those of us on the left favouring more government intervention, though I am aware of the risks inherent in both approaches.

Where I think there is a bit more of a right-lean is identity politics issues, and honestly I probably skew to the right of the Twitterati there despite my left leanings, as for me the biggest injustices come from class, not race. My usual tired old crap that I trot out every time is that a black gay girl born into a rich family and a straight white boy born into a rich family are likely to have similar life experiences and likely to have fairly similar outcomes. A black girl born into a poor family will have nothing in common with the rich black girl, and her life chances will be far less. The same goes for the poor white boy. In fact, the poor white boy and poor white girl will have far more in common with each other. In the end, the inequalities that need addressing are not based on skin colour or the contents of your pants, but class. Being born to the wrong family in the wrong area fucks your life chances. We in the left should be doing that (campaigning for better schools in poor areas, encouraging police to work with the community to build trust and root out the crime which plagues poor areas and helps keep them poor, etc), because we'll be making a far bigger contribution to making the world a better place by doing that than by calling men toxic, wearing a "the force is female" T-shirt or demanding white guys stop trying to interview celebs.

I do think that some people on this board tend to take it a bit too far the other way from the SJW left, and I do generally call it out when I can, but I can understand why they do it, I get frustrated with that shit too and sometimes it can be tempting to just let rip. We do however need to find a happy medium and the risk of all that is it makes GAF look like a reaction to the SJW left and to Ree rather than something with its own identity.

One final note petran79 petran79 - being better than Ree shouldn't be the standard - indeed Ree shouldn't enter anyone's thinking. The standard should be is this right or is it wrong.
 
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Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
You two are missing the point.
No, i am just saying that i don't like your terminology which lacks nuance. Its one thing to call someone out, its another to constantly tag them and make snide comments about them for no reason than to get a comment. Im talking in general.

And that does not mean i am excusing the behavior displayed by the banned users, mind you. I am just saying - No party is innocent. There should be no looking for it - Folks with hypocritical political views will eventually be ousted anyway, that's just the way of the land here.
 

Papa

Banned
No, i am just saying that i don't like your terminology which lacks nuance. Its one thing to call someone out, its another to constantly tag them and make snide comments about them for no reason than to get a comment. Im talking in general.

And that does not mean i am excusing the behavior displayed by the banned users, mind you. I am just saying - No party is innocent. There should be no looking for it - Folks with hypocritical political views will eventually be ousted anyway, that's just the way of the land here.

Mate I don’t think you understand people anywhere near well enough to make the commentary you do.
 

Nymphae

Banned
You are almost as difficult to have a conversation with because you drop your ink and swim away like a squid whenever questioned

This should be tracked and bans handed out for people who do this more than 3 times. Why are you on a message board/discussion forum if you can't be bothered to respond to the criticisms/questions your posts get? Is this your blog and I'm just supposed to read all your shit? This has to be the single most annoying thing to be about the site to me honestly, and I realize it's not the site's fault or anything, it's just people being shitty.

I feel like IRL one of the most insulting things I think you can do to a person is pretend to not hear them when you did in fact hear them. Ghosting is another type of this behaviour. I've had this happen many times in my life and it makes me want to punch the person's teeth through their face (not been ghosted, but people IRL ignoring me talking directly to them). You know what I mean, when you know for a fact that a person heard you call their name, maybe even turned their head a fraction of a degree, but then continued on like nothing happened? It boils my blood.
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
This should be tracked and bans handed out for people who do this more than 3 times. Why are you on a message board/discussion forum if you can't be bothered to respond to the criticisms/questions your posts get? Is this your blog and I'm just supposed to read all your shit? This has to be the single most annoying thing to be about the site to me honestly, and I realize it's not the site's fault or anything, it's just people being shitty.

I feel like IRL one of the most insulting things I think you can do to a person is pretend to not hear them when you did in fact did hear them. Ghosting is another type of this behaviour. I've had this happen many times in my life and it makes me want to punch the person's teeth through their face (not been ghosted, but people IRL ignoring me talking directly to them). You know what I mean, when you know for a fact that a person heard you call their name, maybe even turned their head a fraction of a degree, but then continued on like nothing happened? It boils my blood.
Life footage of the incident:
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Forums are not a job (well except for the owner if it is a huge one) and it is hard to say whether someone really saw the reponse in timely manner. Sometimes I will e.g. not respond to something, because the discussion has moved on over night and I feel it would be derailing when I have not much of significance to add. This would be very hard to enforce in a sensible way. Anyway, it is not a significant issue with Nobody.

Also, I feel that "rational" and "moderate or right-leaning on social issues" is very much conflated here. Nobody has not demonstrated a lack of rationality in his posts. He has demonstrated senstivity to certain issues. This is different. I also have a hard time remembering posts where he outright called for banning of things he did not like. E.g. the rape joke stuff (where I do not agree in principle, I think there is nothing wrong with a rape joke per se, though whether I think it is in good taste hinges on the context) he made it clear that he did not want to deal with them, but nowhere did he ask for a ban.
 

Nymphae

Banned
Forums are not a job (well except for the owner if it is a huge one) and it is hard to say whether someone really saw the reponse in timely manner.

Of course, shit happens occasionally. But sometimes, you do just fucking know, right? A few times I've called someone out on something, and get no response, but you see them continue on in the same thread. Sometimes people do just choose to ignore a question or callout. That is 100% of the time a shitty thing to do I think, unless you are literally dealing with a troll who keeps giving you strawmen or is just pressing buttons. But legit questions and whatnot? You have alerts, and ostensibly are interested in communicating with others here, no reason you can't get back to people if you're engaging in more conversations across the board.

Sometimes I will e.g. not respond to something, because the discussion has moved on over night and I feel it would be derailing when I have not much of significance to add. This would be very hard to enforce in a sensible way. Anyway, it is not a significant issue with Nobody.

I'm more just joking about any sort of enforcement on this lol. I don't follow NI's post history enough to know if it's an issue, I've seen him do it, but someone who is throwing so many jabs and putting out so many fires is bound to miss a few alerts. I get more mad about the run of the mill posters here who just occasionally think they're above responding to you.
 

Acerac

Banned
This should be tracked and bans handed out for people who do this more than 3 times. Why are you on a message board/discussion forum if you can't be bothered to respond to the criticisms/questions your posts get? Is this your blog and I'm just supposed to read all your shit? This has to be the single most annoying thing to be about the site to me honestly, and I realize it's not the site's fault or anything, it's just people being shitty.

I feel like IRL one of the most insulting things I think you can do to a person is pretend to not hear them when you did in fact did hear them. Ghosting is another type of this behaviour. I've had this happen many times in my life and it makes me want to punch the person's teeth through their face (not been ghosted, but people IRL ignoring me talking directly to them). You know what I mean, when you know for a fact that a person heard you call their name, maybe even turned their head a fraction of a degree, but then continued on like nothing happened? It boils my blood.
People who do this are how message boards become shit.
 

Papa

Banned
This should be tracked and bans handed out for people who do this more than 3 times. Why are you on a message board/discussion forum if you can't be bothered to respond to the criticisms/questions your posts get? Is this your blog and I'm just supposed to read all your shit? This has to be the single most annoying thing to be about the site to me honestly, and I realize it's not the site's fault or anything, it's just people being shitty.

I feel like IRL one of the most insulting things I think you can do to a person is pretend to not hear them when you did in fact hear them. Ghosting is another type of this behaviour. I've had this happen many times in my life and it makes me want to punch the person's teeth through their face (not been ghosted, but people IRL ignoring me talking directly to them). You know what I mean, when you know for a fact that a person heard you call their name, maybe even turned their head a fraction of a degree, but then continued on like nothing happened? It boils my blood.

I dunno about tracking it. That might be a bit over the top. But I know what you mean.
 

Nymphae

Banned
I dunno about tracking it. That might be a bit over the top. But I know what you mean.

As I mentioned I was kind of just joking with that part, even if it is how I feel lol. I don't expect anyone to track that sort of thing. Mods aren't going to catch it really. I don't know how you fix or improve that behaviour.
 

Z O N E

Member
Pretty cool, I like this.

The other site will copy this feature like they did with everything so far on this site in 3, 2 and 1. Lol
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
This should be tracked and bans handed out for people who do this more than 3 times. Why are you on a message board/discussion forum if you can't be bothered to respond to the criticisms/questions your posts get? Is this your blog and I'm just supposed to read all your shit? This has to be the single most annoying thing to be about the site to me honestly, and I realize it's not the site's fault or anything, it's just people being shitty.

I feel like IRL one of the most insulting things I think you can do to a person is pretend to not hear them when you did in fact hear them. Ghosting is another type of this behaviour. I've had this happen many times in my life and it makes me want to punch the person's teeth through their face (not been ghosted, but people IRL ignoring me talking directly to them). You know what I mean, when you know for a fact that a person heard you call their name, maybe even turned their head a fraction of a degree, but then continued on like nothing happened? It boils my blood.
Had this happen recently. I don't get boiled blood, but i don't think its a great thing to pretend you didn't see it yet you clearly want a response from me. Especially when its one of explanation, then i just don't get why you made the callout in the first place. If you aren't going to read it, what's the point?

People who do this are how message boards become shit.
*Pretends to ignore your post*.
 

Nymphae

Banned
Had this happen recently. I don't get boiled blood, but i don't think its a great thing to pretend you didn't see it yet you clearly want a response from me. Especially when its one of explanation, then i just don't get why you made the callout in the first place. If you aren't going to read it, what's the point?

I usually skip over your posts because you have a really odd writing style and half the time I can't tell if you're joking or not, or just can't parse the meaning. No offense lol.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I usually skip over your posts because you have a really odd writing style and half the time I can't tell if you're joking or not, or just can't parse the meaning. No offense lol.
What's odd about it? That i do a lot of stuff in seperate alinea's?

Admittely i do a lot of post-post (Okay then..) edits because i basically type too fast. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

Nymphae

Banned
What's odd about it? That i do a lot of stuff in seperate alinea's?

Admittely i do a lot of post-post (Okay then..) edits because i basically type too fast. :messenger_grinning_sweat:

Not sure how to describe it exactly. Initially it was all the emotes and images you put into your posts that made me not want to read them. You seem to do that less, but I just find your grammar and sentence structure awkward sometimes, and often times I just can't tell if you're joking or not. Again, no offence, I think you're a colourful poster.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
Not sure how to describe it exactly. Initially it was all the emotes and images you put into your posts that made me not want to read them. You seem to do that less, but I just find your grammar and sentence structure awkward sometimes,
Yeah i can get that, i often re-read what i wrote and whisper it and it breaks fluidity, hence the constant minor editing immediately afterwards. Its like, my brain has a complete answer already prepared and i am trying to push it out as fast as i can.

Its annoying, i know.

Thank you, by the way.

and often times I just can't tell if you're joking or not. Again, no offence, I think you're a colourful poster.
Any examples? May in PM :)
 

Nymphae

Banned
Yeah i can get that, i often re-read what i wrote and whisper it and it breaks fluidity, hence the constant minor editing immediately afterwards. Its like, my brain has a complete answer already prepared and i am trying to push it out as fast as i can.

Its annoying, i know.

Thank you, by the way.


Any examples? May in PM :)

I regret saying anything lol. I didn't mean to be a dick. I don't find your posts annoying, just awkwardly worded and long enough that I usually pass them by. Can't think of specific examples really, and don't feel like hunting through your post history for things to nitpick lol.
 

Redneckerz

Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
I regret saying anything lol. I didn't mean to be a dick. I don't find your posts annoying, just awkwardly worded and long enough that I usually pass them by. Can't think of specific examples really, and don't feel like hunting through your post history for things to nitpick lol.
You werent a dick at all. :messenger_relieved:
 
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slugbahr

Unconfirmed Member
I saw that earlier and thought...Was the guy dumb enough to call it that? Or is it a mod being smart?
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Wait what? I am about as Left as Left gets in the eyes of this forums and I am the SJW King to you all and that I get, but how am I "authoritarian"?
Allegedly you (and I as well) want everything to be illegal that you do not like.
 
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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Welcome back Nobody_Important Nobody_Important . Two days before I thought you'd be back, a welcome surprise :).

Good to be back. The ban was actually a good thing to be honest. I was close to requesting a temporary ban anyway due to some of the happenings that were going on at the time. I felt like I needed a break from it all so the time away was nice and helped to refocus on what was important and what wasn't.

Allegedly you (and I as well) want everything to be illegal that you do not like.

Well me and you are practically Stalin then. We should get matching mustaches.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
Wait what? I am about as Left as Left gets in the eyes of this forums and I am the SJW King to you all and that I get, but how am I "authoritarian"?

It's like you think left and authoritarian are mutually exclusive...
 
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