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NPD August 2022: 5% Decline in SW, Double Digit growth in HW Rev. PS5 #1 in Unit and Revenue and Spider-man back at #3

GHG

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Consumer Confidence in the US is still pretty decent especially relative to the UK

https://data.oecd.org/leadind/consumer-confidence-index-cci.htm

The UK and Eurozone are in the midst of an energy crisis far greater than anywhere else in the world. Then to make matters worse their currencies are tumbling against the dollar, compounding inflation, which makes purchases and travel even more expensive than they already are.

The UK and Europe are stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment in economic terms. Hyperinflation or depression are the only two options presenting themselves at the moment. The spillover and subsequent fallout is yet to hit the US economy.
 

reksveks

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The UK and Eurozone are in the midst of an energy crisis far greater than anywhere else in the world. Then to make matters worse their currencies are tumbling against the dollar, compounding inflation, which makes purchases and travel even more expensive than they already are.

The UK and Europe are stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment in economic terms. Hyperinflation or depression are the only two options presenting themselves at the moment. The spillover and subsequent fallout is yet to hit the US economy.
Oh yeah, I know the main reasons. The Germans aren't making it easy for themselves re the energy crisis. If we do get energy blackouts in the UK/EU, that's going to be an 'experience'.

Getting EU numbers today. Expect real softness in software units.
 
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And I can't take you seriously for not understanding what a masterpiece that game is.

I agree with PS3 version getting that score. It is in my top 20 favourite games.

But remake?

Like seriously, those are some Elden Ring level scores. Demons falls short on multiple levels compared to recent From games.

90+ metascore should be reserved for groundbreaking titles, not some pretty remakes.
 
I dont get how xbox is still seeing sales growth with absolutely 0 releases, its performing so damn well.

To think its still doing so well with the power of gamepass alone is proof that it's going to be mental once big releases start hitting.

Crazy, I guess it's out selling all previous xboxes by a considerable amount now.

Comes down to people not being able to find units of any console. The overflow in demand is really helping both Sony and Microsoft, but maybe more so Microsoft.

Would love to see a breakdown of GamePass on Xbox One, Series, and PC. Once bigger releases come out, it'll be interesting to see if the price stays the same or if it increases and whether that increases drives more casual subscribers away. It sounds like Microsoft may be very unhappy with the performance of Halo Infinite. There's going to be further fall out there. Wouldn't be surprised if Halo goes to a different team and if 343 has layoffs and starts working on other franchises or becomes a Halo support team.
 

tommib

Gold Member
I agree with PS3 version getting that score. It is in my top 20 favourite games.

But remake?

Like seriously, those are some Elden Ring level scores. Demons falls short on multiple levels compared to recent From games.

90+ metascore should be reserved for groundbreaking titles, not some pretty remakes.
It's the same original and revolutionary PS3 experience with groundbreaking visuals that are still holding up as the best in the business 2 years after. What's so hard to understand?
 
It's the same original and revolutionary PS3 experience



You don't find anything odd about this?

LMAO.
 

Handel

Member
Great month for everyone, will be interesting to see how things go when stock isn't constrained for all three console makers with their primary models. Switch is doing these kind of numbers over five years in with no price drop, going to be the only successful console in history to never see a price drop before it's successor is on the horizon.

So your argument is...a 1:1 visual remake of a game that came out in 2009?:messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Kvally

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None of them are innocent of this. Sony were ridiculous in 2005 and 2006. They really did think they were too big to fail. Reality slapped them in face and they learned their lesson well, as did Microsoft. Look at difference from the kinect and early xbox one period to now.



It isn't the same at all! Name me some big multiplat ips that sony have acquired. There's destiny, but sony will let bungie carry on the way they are. What else is there?

Now name the ones Microsoft have acquired. You know it isn't the same. Stop acting like it is.
And MS will STILL be behind Sony and Nintendo. So maybe MS should buy more.
 

FeldMonster

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And in threads like this with the undisputed facts they will be very quiet. Facts don't line up with narrative. Like the Buffalo Bills fans they are it'll be all about next season. Of course, when the next season comes it'll be all about the next next season.
Didn't the Bills just annihilate the Super Bowl Champions a week ago. Is your memory that poor. Even as someone who roots against the Bills, it is pretty clear they are a serious contender.
 
They should start including Xbox + PC numbers to showcase how well xbox is selling.

Cause that's what xbox is now. PC + console.

So track something that's impossible to track for fanboy points? Suuuure. While you're at it, when cloud gaming reaches full steam, let's throw in every device that uses that too!

Boom! 100s of million Xbox devices sold! Take that Sony and Nintendo.


I kid lol
 
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ReBurn

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ok forza deserved it.
Microsoft flight simulator? eehhhhhhhhhhhh
Flight Simulator is great at what it does and true sim enthusiasts really seem to enjoy it. I think it deserves the score. I personally think it's one of the best made but most boring games ever made.
 
Sony was always going to be on top with PS5. US and UK were the last strong markets for Xbox and now they're struggling even there.
It was just a matter of time for Sony to get PS5s in stock.

Some people need to face it, X360-gen was a perfect storm for MS as Sony was dropping the ball.

They've got their heads out of their asses since last-gen.
 

zedinen

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just like last gen


August 2008

347K (LTD 11.20)

232K (LTD 5.49)


August 2015


210K (LTD 8.66)

200K (LTD 7.85)


PS5 will reach 30 million in 2022, 50 million in 2023

PS5 is selling faster than the PS2

PS5 is selling faster than the PS4 in Asia

Sony plans to flood Europe in 2023: PS5 will close the global gap with the PS4

Crisis may impact software sales and subscriptions
 
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jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
The delusional on these posts lol
We are 2 years In and only one console is struggling to reach 20mil. 😆 and its readily available
I'm more shocked that we are having these conversations like the last 2 NPD results didn't happen.

Some ppl are arguing based on feelings, to hell with facts.

The PS5 price increase caused what Phil Spencer said about supply for....the rest of this year....to fly under the radar...


At the time I said I wonder if this was pre emptive based Sony stock getting better.

Saying your product will be low in stock during holiday season will be...an uphill battle...to come back from.
 

johnjohn

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I'm more shocked that we are having these conversations like the last 2 NPD results didn't happen.

Some ppl are arguing based on feelings, to hell with facts.

The PS5 price increase caused what Phil Spencer said about supply for....the rest of this year....to fly under the radar...


At the time I said I wonder if this was pre emptive based Sony stock getting better.

Saying your product will be low in stock during holiday season will be...an uphill battle...to come back from.
What do you think happened with the last NPD results? What about the NPD results before that? What do you think they mean? What about the NPD results before that? What are the facts?

Do you really think PS5 is going to end up selling more consoles in NA? I'm not entirely sure how you think they have an uphill battle to come back from. Can you explain? Sony had low stock throughout the last year, did you think they had an uphill battle to come back from?
 
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SLB1904

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I'm more shocked that we are having these conversations like the last 2 NPD results didn't happen.

Some ppl are arguing based on feelings, to hell with facts.

The PS5 price increase caused what Phil Spencer said about supply for....the rest of this year....to fly under the radar...


At the time I said I wonder if this was pre emptive based Sony stock getting better.

Saying your product will be low in stock during holiday season will be...an uphill battle...to come back from.
I'm more baffled how people think ps5 will sell close to ps3.
The library is just insane to think there is any chance of that to happen lol
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
What do you think happened with the last NPD results? What about the NPD results before that? What do you think they mean? What about the NPD results before that? What are the facts?

Do you really think PS5 is going to end up selling more consoles in NA? I'm not entirely sure how you think they have an uphill battle to come back from. Can you explain? Sony had low stock throughout the last year, did you think they had an uphill battle to come back from?

Sony is still sticking with their 18 million prediction.

What you're asking ...Its literally in my post you just quoted:

Phil said to expect Xbox consoles to be supply constrained...for the rest of the year...

Even with low PS5 stock last year....it never got to the point of how it is with Xbox Series...

That's literally the entire point.

Honestly, it's really not that serious. It's an uphill battle, that's all.
 
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johnjohn

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Sony is still sticking with their 18 million prediction.

What you're asking ...Its literally in my post you just quoted:

Phil said to expect Xbox consoles to be supply constrained...for the rest of the year...

Even with low PS5 stock last year....it never got to the point of how it is with Xbox Series...

That's literally the entire point.

Honestly, it's really not that serious. It's an uphill battle, that's all.
The point is that they're both facing the same "uphill battle". Stock issues have been a thing since the generation started, and as many people shouted when Xbox was coming out on top in NPD, sales numbers are coming down to how much stock they can get out. 2023 should hopefully be better, especially for Xbox since they have a stacked first party lineup so they'll want to make sure they'll have enough stock to meet the increased demand.
 
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jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
The point is that they're both facing the same "uphill battle". Stock issues have been a thing since the generation started, and as many people shouted when Xbox was coming out on top in NPD, sales numbers are coming down to how much stock they can get out. 2023 should hopefully be better, especially for Xbox since they have a stacked first party lineup so they'll be want to make sure they'll have enough stock to meet the increased demand.
Yes, they're both facing the same uphill battle...And so far Sony seems to be getting better. After saying Jan-Mar 2022 would be slow for them.

That happened and they didn't get effected as bad as it could have been...

Now they seem to be on track.

I don't see how what I'm saying is controversial.
 
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how much we at now? 21.7m, forecasted 37.3 to be in june 2023 so would need 12.7m in the last 2 quarters in 2023. maybe.

They are INCREASING production next year over 18.7, most likely due to the redesigns and better global conditions surrounding production.

PS5 will easily hit 50m next fiscal year, anyone thinking its gonna sell 50-70m are hitting hardcore pure uncut copium, straight off the borders of Colombia. The only Sony console that didn’t crack 100m is the PS3 and it wasn’t by much.

The PS5 is not gonna be the tie breaker when its tracking to outpace the PS4 next fiscal year. Its going to be a long time before there are PS5’s sitting on shelves on a consistent basis
 
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reksveks

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They are INCREASING production next year over 18.7, most likely due to the redesigns and better global conditions surrounding production.
I am still waiting to see those numbers though; not sure the 10% increase in revenue is a huge indicator of that yet; sony also imo isn't the greatest at forecast see last year. We will have to wait for the next set of earnings, what number are you and Tiago Rodrigues Tiago Rodrigues expecting to see?
 
I'm still laughing from reading a post that said PS5 will sell half of PS4. How in the fuck someone can come to that conclusion, I'll never understand.

They don’t realize that would literally be a disaster for Sony. Like, one that they probably wouldn’t even be able to come back from, there is no way they could have an xbox one, GameCube/wii u, level failure like that. Its just not realistic either, especially not with demand the way it is.

In order for Sony to only sell 60m consoles they’d literally have to stop completely selling consoles next year.

I am still waiting to see those numbers though; not sure the 10% increase in revenue is a huge indicator of that yet; sony also imo isn't the greatest at forecast see last year. We will have to wait for the next set of earnings, what number are you and Tiago Rodrigues Tiago Rodrigues expecting to see?

They’ve already said they are expecting to ship 22.6 consoles next fiscal year, whether you want to believe them or wait and see is up to you.

https://www.thegamer.com/sony-ps5-sell-22-6-million-2023/

That alone would put them close to 60m by the march 2024
 
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reksveks

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They’ve already said they are expecting to ship 22.6 consoles next fiscal year, whether you want to believe them or wait and see is up to you.

https://www.thegamer.com/sony-ps5-sell-22-6-million-2023/

That alone would put them close to 60m by the march 2024
They revise that down btw https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-...recast-to-18m-units-due-to-component-shortage. Again this is all speculation, and no-one really know for sure what the numbers are going to be. I don't know how much more useful this convo is going to get.

3.3m last q2 (cyq3) + 20% increase YOY = 4m leads to 11.6m required for Q3 and Q4 (will either need 7m imo for Q4 or Q1 to be big as well)
 
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I'm still laughing from reading a post that said PS5 will sell half of PS4. How in the fuck someone can come to that conclusion, I'll never understand. So something is going to happen and PS5 is just gonna stop selling completely in 2024 and stay at 60m apparently.

Kagey K Kagey K you need to lay off the hallucinogenics man.

I think he's placing his bets on gamepass.
 
They revise that down btw https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-...recast-to-18m-units-due-to-component-shortage. Again this is all speculation, and no-one really know for sure what the numbers are going to be. I don't know how much more useful a convo is going to get.

If you expect the chip shortage and productions issues to get worse after this year I guess what you’re saying makes sense, but there is nothing hinting towards that happening.

Maybe war with china will kill the ps5
 
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They don’t realize that would literally be a disaster for Sony. Like, one that they probably wouldn’t even be able to come back from, there is no way they could have an xbox one, GameCube/wii u, level failure like that. Its just not realistic either, especially not with demand the way it is.

They think sony makes ups forecasts and they know more than Sony about future projections. Lol

Like sony just stumble their way and guess along the way. Why can't the PS5 outpace the PS4 again? Sony are expecting it and even if they fall short, it will only be by a little. First, let's see if they reach their 18m for the fiscal year.
 

reksveks

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If you expect the chip shortage and productions issues to get worse after this year I guess what you’re saying makes sense, but there is nothing hinting towards that happening.
what exactly am i saying? just to get my position according to you, right?

I am just saying that I have doubt at the moment of the 18m target based off the current numbers that we are seeing but yes, they might be able to double production in Q4. Sony missing 18m imo doesn't mean production/chip shortage has to get worse, it just means that it isn't mitigated or eased up enough.

First, let's see if they reach their 18m for the fiscal year.
Thats the main thing, this prediction of 60m is personally stupid. Sony last year did have a dumb reason for not changing their forecast, i don't know if that's built a bit of scepticism personally.
 
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I'm not sure what his thoughts process is but it's pure delusion to think PS5 is going to be Sonys worst selling console at only 60m. Either he is getting xbox mixed up with PS, or straight up trolling.

I'm not but I've seen people argue that gamepass combined with Microsofts big acquisitions would gain them a lot of market share. Not to mention they have the cheapest current gen console.
 
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