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NPD November 2022 | 45% increase YoY compared to last year, PS5, Switch and then Xbox. COD #1 November and YTD, GoW #2 and Pokemon #3
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
What a coincidence...You'll never guess who was appointed head of MS studios 2 years before.
Saber
Gold Member
Let's start with my first post here then(before the war attempt)?
I was clearly surprised that GoW was better than Pokemon(well we still dunno the digital though). Pokemon is the best selling franchise ever, they don't even need to work hard to get that amount of profit(I mean look at the quality of their games). Hence my surprise. GoW is a great game, but honestly wasn't it expecting to actually outsell pokemon. Thats impressive.
John Wick
Member
But I thought the $200 Series S would dominate?
Unknown?
Member
And that guy did a better job at games for the first year of Xbox One than the new guy has with Xbox Series. If it weren't for gamepass it'd be worse of a launch than Xbox One.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
That's just 2 teams though! The reality is that decisions regarding launch windows are made years in advance because there's a degree of unpredictability involved regardless of the talent and pedigree of whoever is developing. Where's the backup? Can't they buy some sort of exclusivity or co-promotion deal to ally themselves up with third parties in order to plug these gaps?
It seems to me the success of their BC program allowed them to skate by for a long time, because especially with Game Pass noone was looking too closely at what the "new" product was, just that steady influx into the pipeline and endless promises of the next big thing was sufficient.
Now with BC seemingly over and done with, we're seeing that the emperor has no clothes. GP is absorbing most of the mid-tier stuff into its churn, so when big titles get delayed (which seems to happen extremely frequently with their first-parties) we end up with these long stretches where they have to float the Xbox platform on promises alone.
Its just terrible management. Especially when their main competitors are really focussed on using exclusive tent-pole releases to maintain profile and interest.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
There’s also the fact Ragnarok bundles don’t count
digoutyoursoul
Member
I never understood it either. Each to their own I guess.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
There was no exclusive and even less so Series exclusives so I don't see how it could be much worse of a launch....I guess the Always Online DRM was kinda worse but at least you had exclusives to play.
remember_spinal
Banned
Unknown?
Member
People easily fall for propaganda, that's why everything is so polarized politically. If enough people parrot the sun is gone, people will start believing it even if the brightness hurts their eyes when they go outside.
Thus Phil's talk goes along way.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I finished it last week. As you said a quality game although I got bit tired of the game mechanics by the end. Still, you can tell it was made with a lot of passion and the characters are great.
John Wick
Member
How dare you? It's a masterstroke of a console.
systemr123
Member
Even with gamepass it was a worse launch than Xbox One, they released with 0 exclusive games. 000000000000
Gambit2483
Member
It happens with women too... A hot slut is not that interesting anymore...
rather lewd but very true analogy
remember_spinal
Banned
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Being honest, I suspect if the ABK merger falls through, Phil's toast.
remember_spinal
Banned
I think they would start limiting his role in the company but no way could they ever fire him. It’s like Disney firing Mickey Mouse, it would completely kill their reputation.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
ABK felt like a Hail Mary to me
A get out of jail free card
The real world isn’t that easy. You can’t just buy thinks and hope it works out for the best.
Cultivating a results oriented dev environment takes genuine talent and effort and those seeds should have been planted years ago
SLB1904
Banned
The steamspy of console sales...
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
My thinking is simply that the board will demand a scalp for the failure, and I don't see Nadella taking the fall!
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Phill Spencer really showed up at the Game Awards after a year with no new releases and not a single trailer for a 2023 game. He really just stood there with a Series S and Gamepass ad and watched Sony winning most awards of the night, announcing 2 PC releases, PS5 full exclusives and timed exclusives, VR games and even DLCs announced lmao
Klayzer
Member
I understood that reference.
Nadella is in it and put the face on it almost as much as Phil so it would be hard to justify that. But internally his decisions would be questioned much more, leading to more disputes.
If the deal is blocked Bobby Kotick is the one who has the most to lose, he's probably already thinking about a plan B as we speak.
remember_spinal
Banned
I see Nadella taking the fall before Phil. Phil is the more consumer facing recognizable face of the brand. Firing Phil Spencer is like saying everything they’ve done to regain marketshare failed.
If phil leaves he’s taking the majority of the xbox fanbase with him. There is a cult of personality attached to him.
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a multicultural team of v
Member
The only reason everyone keeps propping it up and talking about how amazing it is technically and what value it is is because it is supposed to the the Trojan Horse that wins Xbox the generation, so the "organic marketing" needs to make sure they keep hammering how capable it is, how cheap it is, how fantastic of an emulation machine it is (to play old games to keep your mind off the fact there are no new games), how they are buying their 15th one to put in their third floor fifth bedroom closet so that their uncles cousins brothers parents coworkers mailmans kids can play it, etc. Now that it is painfully clear nobody gives a shit about the console they will have to find something else as their key differentiator to proselytize about.
remember_spinal
Banned
I like the Series S because I can take it with me to the doctors office
yazenov
Member
Surprised Xbox ended up in 3rd place yet again despite the deep-fire sales this month. I would have thought they would have at least been second in unit sales but 3rd obviously in revenue due to the cheap consoles. The aging Switch managed to outsell it with no price cut.
It's not a good look for MS when you end up dead last in your strongest market despite having the cheapest console and your competition's lack of discounts and sales. Having a $200 console without quality content doesn't automatically means success. I hope MS learns from this and the FTC cock blocking MS's Activision acquisition must have them panicking right now.
It's not a good look for MS when you end up dead last in your strongest market despite having the cheapest console and your competition's lack of discounts and sales. Having a $200 console without quality content doesn't automatically means success. I hope MS learns from this and the FTC cock blocking MS's Activision acquisition must have them panicking right now.
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legacy24
Member
you would think after last gen they would come out swinging for the start of this one but nope I just can't defend them anymore.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
And the worst news to happen to a publisher in the past 24 hour award goes to:....Microsoft, come on down you finally won something
Mibu no ookami
Member
You're being called out because the source you used in your thread was suspect. We'll probably never know what happened in that specific time frame, but you absolutely deserve to be called out.
yazenov
Member
Where are all those people that said consumers buy consoles mainly for 3rd party games such as COD and Madden, and exclusives aren't that important? If this statement is true, then It's strange that people bought the more expensive PS5 consoles over the $200 Xbox S to play all those 3rd party games. Oh and Gamepass
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Gold Member
Lol but kidding aside; strong month for PS & Nintendo hardware, good month for Xbox hardware (considering unit results even with the heavy Series S promos it's really hard to say the result is "great" but it's at least good).
Surprised with how well Sonic Frontiers charted. Pokemon placing #3 without even factoring digital is a testament to that brand's selling power. MW2 took the top spot as expected, really happy for GOWR's performance though, very strong debut and they aught to be hitting 10 million pretty soon if they aren't nearing so already. Miles Morales & HFW continue to chart pretty well; considering the narrative against HFW since launch the fact it's in the Top 10 for best-selling games of the year (which BTW does not count the bundles) is very impressive.
If I had to take a guess, it's probably around 2.5 - 3 million YTD in NA, I'm assuming such based on GOWR doing 5 million global in 4 days and having obviously sold through more in the time since, and Sony giving sales figures for 1P software in their FY 2022 Q1 report of between 6 - 7 million units (which would have included HFW, GT7, Miles Morales, Returnal etc.). Globally the game's maybe between 7.5 - 8 million I'd say as a safe estimate; if it hit 10 million we'd of probably gotten an announcement by now.
Also just look at how many Nintendo games are in the Top 20, jeez! Sony not too far behind this time tho with 3 entries at least.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Deserved to be called out for a source from a reputable company that has been cited by NPD, and hundreds of news outlets as the report came out from ADOBE analytics which isn't suspect at all, a credible company, and you're clearly losing your mind right now?
Thread never said anything about Xbox winning November directly, it only reported that Xbox was the lead console on BF.
And then there was another thread that reported the PS5 won Cyber Monday. Which you are non-shockingly excluding to push this silly call out.
You are clearly imaging something to call out here, there is nothing to call out.
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Unknown?
Member
You realize even Google analytics that cover like 80% of the web can still be incorrect?
remember_spinal
Banned
I always say this in those series s threads, the typical holiday consumer isn’t as price sensitive as people make it out to be. The “value” of the series s isn’t perceived the same way by the common non-hardcore gamer. They want the ‘hot’ product, which is the ps5 and the enthusiast that want to stay in the xbox ecosystem want the series x
sandbood
Banned
Gow 2018 price changes
Current MSRP = 19.99 usd
Free games bundles with PS4
Pokemon Sword and Shield current MSRP = 59.99 usd with 0 free games bundle.
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Unknown?
Member
Who cares? Refer to this post:Gow 2018 price changes
Current MSRP = 19.99 usd
3 free games bundles with PS4
Pokemon Sword and Shield current MSRP = 59.99 usd with 0 free games bundle.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
You do realize that thread was not predicting the month of November and only was a report for one day of the month, and your premise is still incorrect?
Also comparing Adobe Analytics with actual tracking of purchases and skus, to Google trends is bizarre.
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Unknown?
Member
I understand this but it was based off of analytics, it can give you a good idea of trends but isn't a good way to make a claim of anything concrete. Especially with how easily they can be manipulated by bots and corporate interference.
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Eddie-Griffin
Banned
No you don't understand it because your doubling down on the same false premise. There is no "good idea" because the thread report which was by tracking reciepts and skus btw, was only for BF, as was the other thread you are the 3rd person here to skip, that showed PS5 won Cyber Monday.
Neither thread was reporting a prediction of who would win November, the reports were only for who won those two days, XBS and PS5.
You're trying to falsely act as if the threads were trying to "figure out November, which is why you keep talking about claims, but the claims were never made.
Unknown?
Member
I'm not saying it's trying to predict the month. I wouldn't say it's a good way to call who won cyber Monday either.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
You're now moving back on your last few posts.
As i said there was never any claim and neither thread was trying to determine November as you were originally alluding too.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Not only is the methodology suspect, but looking at any one specific day without numbers makes little sense and why no one does this.
The only time someone would or should discuss black friday numbers is if the companies themselves were to report it.
Unknown?
Member
Are you confusing me with someone else? I only commented about the source not the timeframe.
It's better than using Amazon lists but still is incomplete.