S0ULZB0URNE
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I don't think they can....
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bargeparty
Member
Is this the evolution of puddlegate, furgate?
What other "gates" have we had? I also remember a grassgate for gta 5, but i think there was a real difference between the versions with that.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Yep the numbers of gates come from close minded peoples...Yep this one is bad.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Is everyone losing in this thread because you are very upset about video game graphics or is everyone winning because you're all giving each other the attention some so badly seem to need.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
You are second only to ricky (mr vrs, vrr, s) when it comes to posting slanted takes in the technical threads.
You gain respect when what you post turns out to check with reality...
Low Moral Fibre
Member
I'd give it to R&C too but it has large peaks and troughs especially for such a short game. There is a ton of room for improvement going forward.
The open-ish world levels look pretty crap in general imo, this one in particular:
There is stuff that is SSR instead of RT that really spoils the look of certain areas:
I don't think the fur is particularly impressive (in game at least):
And there is definitely some bullshotting going on in photo-mode even if it is just boosting the res to 4k and moving out shadows:
In-game:
Photo-mode:
I do really like Forza but the AA used can really spoil things especially in the jungle scenes.
The open-ish world levels look pretty crap in general imo, this one in particular:
There is stuff that is SSR instead of RT that really spoils the look of certain areas:
I don't think the fur is particularly impressive (in game at least):
And there is definitely some bullshotting going on in photo-mode even if it is just boosting the res to 4k and moving out shadows:
In-game:
Photo-mode:
I do really like Forza but the AA used can really spoil things especially in the jungle scenes.
I'd give it to R&C too but it has large peaks and troughs especially for such a short game. There is a ton of room for improvement going forward.
The open-ish world levels look pretty crap in general imo, this one in particular:
There is stuff that is SSR instead of RT that really spoils the look of certain areas:
I don't think the fur is particularly impressive (in game at least):
And there is definitely some bullshotting going on in photo-mode even if it is just boosting the res to 4k and moving out shadows:
In-game:
Photo-mode:
I do really like Forza but the AA used can really spoil things especially in the jungle scenes.
I don't know what you're doing with those shots but they look way worse than anything I've seen when actually playing the game. I think Sargasso is probably the weakest stage graphically tbf, although imo it's still really good looking. It probably doesn't help that there's quite a bit of foliage and that looks like it's going to remain a problem to render well this generation.
I always found the other stage (Sarvali??) One of the nicer looking ones tbh. Beautiful colour scheme.
Azurro
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I am gonna play it right now
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'd give it to R&C too but it has large peaks and troughs especially for such a short game. There is a ton of room for improvement going forward.
The open-ish world levels look pretty crap in general imo, this one in particular:
yooo that's Drakan !!
MasterCornholio
Member
So at the end of this we see that there is fur during gameplay.
Hopefully we can stop the claims that it goes away.
Hopefully we can stop the claims that it goes away.
JackMcGunns
Banned
The fact of the matter is that we believe is should be there. DF and NXGamer are also opinion based, but you mentioning that DF didn't list and therefore implying that everyone else's opinion is moot because of that is silly. DF not having it doesn't change the fact that we believe it should be listed.
Capice? It's not that hard, it does NOT mean that an opinion is fact. smdh
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Topher
Gold Member
No idea what you are trying to say here.
MasterCornholio
Member
Guys this is a top ten list for 2021. Of course games like Demons Souls or Flight Sim won't be on it.
JackMcGunns
Banned
Ok, I was agreeing with Riky that Flight Simulator should've at least been mentioned, but now I think I know why it wasn't, I think FS was released in 2020, not 2021 but I have to check. Anyway the point is you said DF didn't list it either, somehow negating that it over rules everyone else's opinion. I simply stated that just because DF didn't list, doesn't change the fact that we believe it should be there.
MasterCornholio
Member
I'm curious as to what graphical updates Flight Sim got in 2021. I read about a performance upgrade but nothing about a visual update.
Edit: By graphics update I mean something similar to what happened with Metros new lighting system for example.
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John Wick
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This thread was pure entertainment. Made certain people look like fools and exposed a few known people who claim to be neutral defend the indefensible............
These clowns made even bigger fools of themselves. I mean how could a PS franchise have the best graphics on weaker hardware eh?
These clowns made even bigger fools of themselves. I mean how could a PS franchise have the best graphics on weaker hardware eh?
Topher
Gold Member
And that would have been a valid point, but that's not what you said. If that is what you meant then no problem.
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GHG
Gold Member
It didn't. The console versions also run at lower settings than what's available on the PC version so from a technological perspective we saw nothing new on the console versions in 2021.
You're free to believe what you want, doesn't make it correct.
JackMcGunns
Banned
MasterCornholio
Member
JackMcGunns
Banned
I think it had something to do with the way it pulls real-time information from maps or something to that extent.
JackMcGunns
Banned
MasterCornholio
Member
That's something that was done in the 2020 version. What I read about was a big update that improved performance due to managing memory better. The article didn't mention any visual upgrades.
JackMcGunns
Banned
Gotcha, wasn't really following it. I downloaded the game and flew by my house and other shenanigans, but I stopped playing it. I have a cousin that's an absolute nut with simulators, has been since like the first one, but not really my cup of tea. But even so, the time I spent with it was more fun that I expected simply by visiting hurricanes or famous landmarks like the Pyramids of Giza
GHG
Gold Member
Yes that's exactly what's happening.
Or at least it can be if you choose to ignore the post I was responding to.
MasterCornholio
Member
Thats fine and I'm glad you enjoyed your time with it but this list is about best looking games in 2021. Flight Sim might have a place in an all time list but this one just focuses on 2021. Metro had it's lighting overhauled while Ride had a visual upgrade done to it. Flight Sim didn't have anything like that done but it still appeared on many sites 2020 list. It's why I think it's a bit weird that some believe it should be included in this list.
Not taking anything away from Flight Sim but it's also the same reason why Demon Souls isn't on this list and that game was also on many sites 2020 list.
tommib
Member
Drakan was the shit! Good times. Janky as fuck. Like a Deathtrap Dungeon with wings. Loved it.
bargeparty
Member
There is stuff that is SSR instead of RT that really spoils the look of certain areas:
I don't know what you're trying to show between these two.
Sosokrates
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
15 hours game with large variety of levels, environments and cgi like graphics.I'd give it to R&C too but it has large peaks and troughs especially for such a short game. There is a ton of room for improvement going forward.
The open-ish world levels look pretty crap in general imo, this one in particular:
There is stuff that is SSR instead of RT that really spoils the look of certain areas:
I don't think the fur is particularly impressive (in game at least):
And there is definitely some bullshotting going on in photo-mode even if it is just boosting the res to 4k and moving out shadows:
In-game:
Photo-mode:
I do really like Forza but the AA used can really spoil things especially in the jungle scenes.
summarized to "bad graphics for such a short game". WTF MAN
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Some of the reflections disappear in the second picture when the object is out of view, that shows that these are SSR and not Ray traced reflections.
That's what they're showing.
MasterCornholio
Member
About the fur disappearing during gameplay?
I read about the LODs but nothing about it being absent from gameplay.
Edit: I actually just looked at some gameplay shots (not photomode) and it's definitely there.
Maybe it's absent in one of the modes but I haven't seen any proof of that yet.
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Sosokrates
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Nah, they just mentioned it. Iirc they seem to like it.
Sosokrates
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3.55
Df fur talk
MasterCornholio
Member
Mentioned what exactly?
Haven't seen them say that its gone during gameplay. What I did read was that there's different levels of it depending on whether it's a cutscene or not. But to Insomniac benefit everything is realtime if I'm not wrong.
MasterCornholio
Member
3.55
Df fur talk
Not seeing where they said it goes away. Basically they are saying that they are using Spiderman's Spline based hair technology and then show it during actual gameplay.
Sosokrates
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I never said they said, just that they talk about fur.
I know your convo was about vfx saying fur is degraded during gameplay, but thought ppl might be interested to hear what DF said about fur anyway.
Sorry for the confusion.
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bargeparty
Member
That's what i thought but it's really rather minor imo.
Sosokrates
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I was expecting something like this for current gen lol
Edit: its funny watching that back some of the environments look inferior to UE5s nanite environments. However the chracter models, tentacle,string and particle effects look a gen a head over something like returnal.
However this made in UE5, so there is still hope
Edit: its funny watching that back some of the environments look inferior to UE5s nanite environments. However the chracter models, tentacle,string and particle effects look a gen a head over something like returnal.
However this made in UE5, so there is still hope
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh yeah almost every game with RT reflections uses SSR in a bunch of places as fallback.
There's really nothing wrong with Insomniac doing it to get performance back where available.
MasterCornholio
Member
Sorry about that I thought I might have missed something that DF said. Anyways there isn't any proof from anyone that the fur is gone during gameplay. I did read speculation on better fur during cutscenes which is something that I believe can happen due to the devs having more resources during those moments.
MasterCornholio
Member
Just seems like they are being smart with the RT. Still Ratchet RT is impressive despite them using SSR at some points.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
I found that odd as well. These lists should be taken with a grain of salt though.
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VFXVeteran
Banned
For the record, what I said was a hyperbolic statement due to the fact that the fur at the playable camera distance indexes a very low and short curve primitive proxy (i.e. a lower LOD) and therefore making it drastically inferior to the ingame cinematics and/or forcing the camera to zoom into a wall (which NXGamer was trying to show) when pushing Ratchet against a wall and rotating the camera around to force a higher level of detail. The fur during normal gameplay is extremely short and very far away and difficult to see any details. It takes up a very small region of pixels to render the scene. This produces a light load on the GPU when rendering the fur and keeps framerates high. Couple that with an inaccurate hair shading model (shared by every other game engine) and no ambient occlusion for self-shadowing and the hair becomes unimpressive to me.
I argued that the game should have been judged on actual normal gameplay visuals and the default camera distance from the viewer and not cinematics or cutscenes (which both NXGamer and DF did). But knowing how many people are on these boards, they took my hyperbolic statement and used it to fuel their usual trolling whenever my thoughts don't align with theirs.
bargeparty
Member
I think the shots are a little disingenuous. They're compressed jpg at a minimum so that's affecting any fine detail and they're using either Performance or Performance RT mode. In Fidelity going into photo mode doesn't introduce shadows as it does in his screens, that's a performance or RT mode thing. Which isn't unusual for photo mode to add in extras. The point before was about the fur, which is clearly present at all times during gameplay.
They've also picked out a few sparse, near outside of the map areas in the flying shots of Sargasso, but whatever.
bargeparty
Member
Shut up about the god damn fur.
I'm sorry, let me get this straight. So what you're saying is that because a game engine works as a game engine should and changes LODs based on distance to camera all of a sudden the graphics are not impressive?!? I get that you're a veteran in your field but it seems that real-time graphics are not your thing and they may never impress you. Even when real-time will look the way CGI looks now you'll still scoff at it since CGI will always be ahead due to its very nature so I still don't get what you're trying to prove here?!?