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Our desire is to keep Call of Duty on PlayStation - Phil Spencer
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owandeseis
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This would be a win for Gamepass and a win for PS5 users, but the death of Xbox, can't imagine this happen considering Phil Spencer is MS' Xbox CEO
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Stop looking for fights. Fucking hell
Topher
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TheUndeadGamer
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Well if he kept Warzone on PlayStation I suppose that would be a true statement.
Excess
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As a PC player who roots against Sony because they've been so slow to release their games on PC, and as someone who plays COD, I want COD on PlayStation for not only the larger player pools, but also because the game is defined more by its community than it is by one single game. And this seems to be a major component to Microsoft and Activision's metaverse vision.
Strategically and finacially, Microsoft already has "exclusivity" because now all the games will be available on Game Pass. Who is realistically going to pay $70/yr for COD going forward? So it's a win-win to keep on PlayStation because it siphons the player base, and it maintains their goodwill, something Xbox has spent the last 10 years attempting to earn back.
Strategically and finacially, Microsoft already has "exclusivity" because now all the games will be available on Game Pass. Who is realistically going to pay $70/yr for COD going forward? So it's a win-win to keep on PlayStation because it siphons the player base, and it maintains their goodwill, something Xbox has spent the last 10 years attempting to earn back.
lastmessiah
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Are we allowed to bump all those “MS can’t leave PS money on the table” posts a year from now? Would be great fun.
HeisenbergFX4
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Can bump mine all people want as its just totally a guess on my part anyhow
But you know its going to happen either way when that day comes
CityHunter1981
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I was and will always stay on Playstation, but people have to realize that this is the end of new Call of Duty games on Playstation. Phil is not lying, he means that they will not pull the plug on Warzone on Playstation and also keep it updated there (which makes sense for a free to play game), but he is not talking about future games.
I am not interested in CoD, so it is not a loss for me, but fans who really want to play the future titles either have to have a good enough PC to run them or buy a XBOX.
It is similar to Sony, they making exclusive titles for Playstation so that you have to buy on their console and bring in the money. They will only later release their games on PC, because their profit is less on PC, because it's not their system. Microsoft don't care if you buy on XBOX or PC, because they own both, but they will not sell on Playstation because they would need to share some of the profits with Sony.
I am not interested in CoD, so it is not a loss for me, but fans who really want to play the future titles either have to have a good enough PC to run them or buy a XBOX.
It is similar to Sony, they making exclusive titles for Playstation so that you have to buy on their console and bring in the money. They will only later release their games on PC, because their profit is less on PC, because it's not their system. Microsoft don't care if you buy on XBOX or PC, because they own both, but they will not sell on Playstation because they would need to share some of the profits with Sony.
RoadHazard
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This would be a win for Gamepass and a win for PS5 users, but the death of Xbox, can't imagine this happen considering Phil Spencer is MS' Xbox CEO
Or...
Actually he is CEO of Microsoft Gaming, not Xbox.
IntentionalPun
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Tell me more about your desires, Phil.
Tell me about your wants, your needs, Phil.
Tell me what it would require, Phil.
For you, to be, with me, Phil.
Tell me about your wants, your needs, Phil.
Tell me what it would require, Phil.
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Roxkis_ii
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It would make since if MS dropped out the console space and become third party...
Sosokrates
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They aint spending $70 billion for nothing.
If all they wanted was multiplat money from PlayStation they would not be making Zenimax games only available where gamepass is available.
However I could see an exception with COD because of its size, but it being available on gamepass at no additional cost is almost as good as full exclusive.
If all they wanted was multiplat money from PlayStation they would not be making Zenimax games only available where gamepass is available.
However I could see an exception with COD because of its size, but it being available on gamepass at no additional cost is almost as good as full exclusive.
rickybooby87
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This is the most likely outcome, outside of GP coming to PlayStation (In 1st party only titles) But that would probably mean MS going full publisher route, or perhaps not? Just employ the shotgun method and be on absolutely everything thus snuffing at any hope that Amazon, Google, or Meta can grab a meaningful foothold.
yurinka
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Source?
Unless I missed something the CoD games are on 3 platforms and PS is the one where it sells more. So minimum the top of the 3 platforms should have a 33.34% of these total sales in the most tied possible case which obviously isn't the case.
If we go for the bare minimum of the range, 20M, then a 34% of 20M is 6.67M. But I think it's more realistic to think the best selling platform gets around 50% of something in the middle of that range, let's say 25M. So around 12.5M. And being generous, I'd say it sells on PS 'around less than 10-12M'.
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Dr Bass
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You are being so willfully obtuse that you can't possibly be this thick (or maybe on this board we only use the word thicc...)
So what part of an 8 billion dollar non-platform declining video game company is worth more than a 25 billion dollar platform, industry-defining and still growing video game company? Ignore the parent company. You think they would sell for less than roughly 2.7 their annual revenue multiple? If you actually think that you seriously have no clue about the world you live in. That is the point I am trying to get across to you, and anyone reading this. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm saying you're woefully ignorant in the tech/software realm. If you need info about tech valuations and what things are like for software multiples feel free to ask or do some research.
PlayStation revenues near $25bn as PS5 ships 7.8m in five months
The launch of the PlayStation 5 and a solid line-up for PlayStation 4 helped drive a strong year for Sony Corporation.T…
www.gamesindustry.biz
Something else it seems you are failing to understand. Activision wanted out. No one else would buy them. Yes, other companies could afford it but no, no one wanted it. By many accounts, they tried to shop themselves around and then returned to Microsoft when there were no other takers.
Activision Blizzard wanted to sell, so it approached Microsoft
Activision Blizzard had no obvious vector for growth after tapping out Call of Duty and failing to maintain World of Warcraft.
venturebeat.com
Furthermore you said CoD was the most important game in the world. Ladies and gentlemen, behold, the most important game in the world:
MSN
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MS is putting a heavy spin on this but the fact of the matter is Activision wanted out, they saw no future for themselves where they could grow, and if you look at their recent results they are sharply declining, and only MS was willing to buy them. Those are just the facts.
Get a grip dude. This is not going to do what you want it to do. To anyone that likes this deal simply because of the idea you think it might hurt Sony, you are being a loser. And just to show you that I am coming at this from a place of impartiality and analysis, feel free to add me on XB Live anytime. You can probably guess my handle. Even though I think you're way in the tank for a corporation, which I think is beyond silly, I will happily add anyone on this board to my XBL friends list, or PS+ Friends list. I do not give a (green?) rat's ass about Sony.
Sosokrates
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This would be a win for Gamepass and a win for PS5 users, but the death of Xbox, can't imagine this happen considering Phil Spencer is MS' Xbox CEO
Or...
Thats what Ive said before, having xbox 1st party on ps5 really takes away a lot of the need to own a series console.
Microsoft would make more money keeping there games xbox exclusive and increasing the xbox installbase. Putting everything on PS5 is counter intuitive.
Ghost of Caelid
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Warzone will remain on PS, core game will be exclusive. Of course.
Dave_at_Home
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Microsoft isn't playing checkers with Sony. What they're actually doing is playing chess with Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Netflix. This type of purchase is only the beginning. Microsoft is simply pulling out in front. This was inevitable, and while I know some gamers see this as addition through subtraction, it's best Activision is in Xbox hands rather than any other big tech.
With that said, I can totally envision Facebook purchasing EA for their "metaverse". Sims in the metaverse anyone?
With that said, I can totally envision Facebook purchasing EA for their "metaverse". Sims in the metaverse anyone?
John Wick
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It would be a megaton if Sparticus is MS gamepass combined with Sony’s own GP?
Roxkis_ii
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Dr Bass
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Based on financial estimates if CoD goes full exclusive, the worst case is ... 260 million a year. Could be as low as 87 million.
www.tweaktown.com
So between .33% - 1% annual revenue hit. It's absolutely nothing given how the rest of their platform is growing. Again, much ado about nothing.
Sony to lose $260 million a year if Call of Duty goes Xbox exclusive
Sony will lose up to an estimated $260 million a year if Call of Duty leaves PlayStation and becomes a full Xbox exclusive.
www.tweaktown.com
So between .33% - 1% annual revenue hit. It's absolutely nothing given how the rest of their platform is growing. Again, much ado about nothing.
HoofHearted
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Based on all the chatter here and numerous threads abound about this latest acquisition… Clearly others here apparently do care…
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th4tguy
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CoD sold more on PS, last gen. On 360/PS3, it was way ahead on 360. MS is trying to set it up so that they are pulling gamers back to the Xbox eco system. Current sales trends don't mean much when you make industry changes like this.
You make industry wide changes like this to make huge player base shifts like what we are talking about.
Punished Miku
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Because they're exploring options. MS might benefit just fine owning the IP, having it on GP day one, and selling it on PS as well. They do this with Minecraft. He's being unusually transparent by saying what the current state of negotiations is.
Yep I'm sure they have a plan already in place as they have been in talked for 3 months now for acquisition, but still have well over a year to go to still think things through.
This means absolutely nothing. Please stop listening to this guy. This 80’s electronic store salesman.
Sony has signed deals with Activision. Multiple year deals. COD marketing and content exclusivity usually last many years. Probably 5.
He couldn’t do a anything about it even he wanted to. Just like when he made pathetic PR statement about Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo.
What happens after those deal Sony made ends????? Who knows. I wouldn’t trust anything this electronic clerk says.
Sony has signed deals with Activision. Multiple year deals. COD marketing and content exclusivity usually last many years. Probably 5.
He couldn’t do a anything about it even he wanted to. Just like when he made pathetic PR statement about Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo.
What happens after those deal Sony made ends????? Who knows. I wouldn’t trust anything this electronic clerk says.
Megatron
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How would they be losing money? Are you expecting them to take a lot of returns of the previous games? Every CoD sale MS makes is them making money. MS has 2 things now: The asset that is Activsion/Blizard they just bought and a revenue stream that comes from the games. The asset is valued at $68 billion. If they really wanted to, they could sell it off down the road and still have pocketed all the revenue they made along the way as well as the money from selling the asset itself.So spend 70 billion to lose money?
So not selling their games on Playstation won't 'LOSE' MS money, but they won't make as much as they could if they did. Same dilema they ran into with Starfield and ES6.
Megatron
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'Probably'? I mean maybe? But '5 years' would be from the date they signed it. Which 'Probably' wasn't 3 days ago. One thing I can say for sure. Phil Spencer knows how many years they would have to put CoD on Playstation. And he paid $68 million for the company.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Phil for President 2024.
Ass of Can Whooping
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I mean their shtick this whole time has been they don't care where you game as long as it's within our ecosystem.
They're not looking at it as an opportunity to poach users, they're looking at it as an opportunity to get access to an established install base. Well if Sony says no then poaching users is the other route
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Of course, one platform getting it for 'free' on a well priced subscription plan, which includes Online fee.
The other getting it for $70 + added Online plan.
This would be a win for Gamepass and a win for PS5 users, but the death of Xbox, can't imagine this happen considering Phil Spencer is MS' Xbox CEO
Or...
Stop listening to him too
So spend 70 billion to lose money?
Winter John
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Phil's going to be saying a lot of nice, warm things that are designed to calm everyone down, and most importantly, reassure the regulators that MS are in no way trying to build a monopoly. It'll be a different story next year.
El Pistolero
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You still have not realized that Gamepass is MS gaming now, not Xbox. If MS could strike a deal with Sony to have the Playstation get an App, they would not hesitate. Would give them access to tens of millions of additional subscribers, just like that.
yurinka
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Yes, it's what I think, a 360 lead on that gen and a PS4 lead on the past gen. Now that they bought it and will include it on Gamepass, I think a good chunk of the 10M or so who were playing it on PS will continue playing it there, while maybe 3M or 4M play it on PC or Xbox to 'save' money with GP.
I don't understand why people keep giving him attention. He only makes random guesses and copies stuff random annonymous users with no credibility said in twitter, reddit or 4chan.
MS won't even be the market leader in company gaming revenue, consoles, pc, mobile, game subscriptions or VR. There's no monopoly anywhere at all, they won't have any issue with regulators. Plus, Twitter isn't the only place where they mentioned these things, they also mentioned in the SEC filling:
How does this transaction impact existing partner agreements (i.e., Sony, Google, Apple)? Will this change what we're able to offer our partners or how we structure our agreements? |
| · | We will honor all existing commitments post close. As with Microsoft's acquisition of Minecraft, we have no intent to remove any content from platforms where it exists today. | |
| · | We would be open to discussions to enter into an agreement to confirm our intent when it is appropriate to do so. |
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How will this transaction affect our pipeline and existing games? How will current projects be affected by the transaction? After the deal closes, will we work on non-Activision Blizzard titles/products within Microsoft/Xbox/Bethesda? |
| · | We do not anticipate that this news will affect the rollout of Activision Blizzard's current pipeline or existing games |
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Oh ffs Phil just cut the lights off on em. They're still going to trash you and shit on you no matter what you do
You're god damn right we will
Pony Power SON
Punished Miku
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I feel like you're the only person who gets this.
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