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[anthraticus]

Pretty much most modern AAA mechanics that are aimed to attract the widest possible audence and generally lead to a dumbed down and piss easy experience overall.


...usual garbage that plagues this mainstream stuff like idiot markers leading you around, banal level design , copy & paste mission'design', infinite see through walls batman viision, etc, etc....

 

[Danknugz]

for me, can't stand the "killing monsters" trope. it was cool when games were getting started but it's just so overused now, and there's always steroids involved for some reason. why are aliens / monsters always jacked up on anabolic steroids and looking like bodybuilders? it's just weird.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Aim down sight in FPS games.

 

[The artful mincer]

So how about you can find a whole new different skills tree in the open world that you can use the exp points from fighting monster/exporing the world to level them up ?

Can you explain what you mean exactly? What do you mean skill tree in the open world?

 

[BusierDonkey]

Any games that still have QTEs should evolve into the trash.

Also being told how to do things by the in-game character. At least give me the option to shut them the hell up.

 

[wolywood]

NPCs demanding that I do simple tasks that they could easily complete and that add nothing to the gameplay experience ("hurry up and push that elevator button" meanwhile they're literally standing next to it.)

 

[The artful mincer]

Nah, very few open world games have actually fun traversal mechanics and devs are not gonna get good at doing that just because you erase fast travel.

Even horizon has absolutely shitty and unfunny traversal with some of the worse "horses" in the past years, and you know how much i love horizon.


People literally modded fast travel from everywhere in these games where you have to reach a taxi or train to move around the map, last one being cyberpunk, it was just annoying to search for a fast travel point.

Immersion is one thing, getting bored to even reach the location of a mission is another.

I am not just chatting about open worlds can you imagine if resident evil 2 implemented fast travel!

But I truly feel the moment they implement it they have admitted there core traversal mechanics and level design are not worth doing any more. Which is fine in late game but if your doing right off the bat that's a problem.

I don't see why players should just be allowed to revisit old areas whenever they want. Only open world games conform to this. Plenty of linear games and semi open world games don't allow it and that's fine there's sense of stakes and it's interesting to be stuck in a hard area. Hollow knight and dark souls 1 particularly come to mind.

Having said all that alot of open world games are better off with it the way they are currently designed. But if they have to it maybe they would be better off not being open worlds? I definitely think the Horizon games as much as I love them would be better if they were semi open world like dragon quest 11 structure

 

[Calling 911 Melts Beams]

not being able to kill children

 

[The artful mincer]

The real solution are 2:

having a traversal mechanic that are fun and skill based so you never get annoyed to traverse the world, so your arkham saga air gliding, your spiderman web swinging, your infamous powered runs, your attack of the titan 2 wire system etc., or in the case of games with cars and horses, just fun driving\riding mechanics, very few open world get horses and cars right.

having a world so fucking interesting that you always want to walk towards your destination because you can always find something interesting during the walk, but how many games manage to do that? i can think of rdr2 where really every inch could hide something unique.

But sometimes you just have 30 minutes of free time and you want to complete a mission or two, i really think that fast travel is useful and should be optional and not completely erased, nobody force you to use it.

If there's a resource management element to travel that could be interesting like days gone and Death Strandin. I guess this could be filed under traversal though.

Death stranding is also interesting in how building infrastructure can change routes you take.

Forcing the player into combat through traversal is maybe a 3rd interesting choice

 

[Alexios]

Batman combat, would like to see more creativity from big devs like small ones do.

 

[GymWolf]

I am not just chatting about open worlds can you imagine if resident evil 2 implemented fast travel!

But I truly feel the moment they implement it they have admitted there core traversal mechanics and level design are not worth doing any more. Which is fine in late game but if your doing right off the bat that's a problem.

I don't see why players should just be allowed to revisit old areas whenever they want. Only open world games conform to this. Plenty of linear games and semi open world games don't allow it and that's fine there's sense of stakes and it's interesting to be stuck in a hard area. Hollow knight and dark souls 1 particularly come to mind.

Having said all that alot of open world games are better off with it the way they are currently designed. But if they have to it maybe they would be better off not being open worlds? I definitely think the Horizon games as much as I love them would be better if they were semi open world like dragon quest 11 structure

No small game need fast travel so i didn't even thought about that tbh, i don't even know any RE type of game that has fast travel...it really is a non-problem.

I love open worlds so not making them open world just to erase the need of fast travel seems like a fucking nuclear option dude.

Just don't use it if you hate it so much, like i said, erasing fast travel is not gonna magically transform uncapable devs into devs that can make interesting traversal mechanics or a super interesting world, for now it is super useful and optional so people is not forced to use it.

 

[NightmareFarm]

Disguised loading sequences such as slow walking, squeezing through rubble, etc. No need for that anymore thanks to the SSD in next gen consoles. They just ruin the pace of a game. FF7R would have been a lot better without the constant road bumps.

 

[touchfuzzy]

"Rewind" in racing games. It was novel the first time I saw it, I think in one of the old Xbox 360 Burnout games. But it also limited your use. Now in stuff like Forza Horizon 5, any mistake you make won't cost you anything cause you just bop the rewind, make the perfect turn, and you're back in first. It's such a bizarre feature that no one ever talks about as being bad or dumbing down the game -- no one would be happy with a Souls-like having a "rewind" button you mash every time you get hit, but it's the same idea! I've been playing Dakar Desert Rally and there's no rewind, it makes things so much more intense and exciting.

 

[Halo is Back]

Skill Trees? That should never go away.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

New addition. Painted ledges that indicate if can be climbed.

 

[Trilobit]

Thief was truly ahead of it's time. It's funny that instead of going forward in sound design I feel like we've gone backwards.

Maybe 3d audio chip in PS5 could do some wonders.

After getting my PS5 and reading up on the 3D Tempest audio thing, I'm somewhat excited for the future. I had not really thought about how much I'm missing out when a game doesn't have 3D sound. It's like everything is still stuck in two dimensions. I read about someone describing having and hearing a starship travel over them and being able to pinpoint the location of it based on just sound.

I can't believe that there hasn't been more effort put into this sort of audio capability:

 

[Larxia]

Agreed about grass and enemy sensing.
My problem with skilltrees isn't the mechanic itself but rather that I find it lame when games allow you to unlock all (or most) abilities in a single playthrough. I like skill trees when they force you to make choices and commit to certain paths while giving up on others. I think it makes for more varied gameplay, adds to replay value and makes your experience a bit more unique.

One I wish to see improved is "tracking by following footprints"

It's just not fun, to the point I'd rather have them just put a waypoint on the map.

The worst thing about that tracking example you mentionned is that, yes it's boring, but on top of that it actually adds scripted steps you need to go through to actually find the final point of interest.
It happened to me in some games, like in Horizon, that I actually found the objective (a body or whatever) without using the tracking ability, just by looking around myself and randomly finding it, and quite often the objective won't trigger, because you didn't go through the steps the games wanted you to, you didn't trigger the different checks / dialogues by following the track using the special sensor, so you have to go back and do it again the way they meant it. It's quite stupid and very immersion breaking.

 

[Strider Highwind]

Detective vision.

And i'm so tired of everyone i need to follow having the dirtiest shoes ever, just leaving all them damn footprints.

Less open world games.

 

[JimboJones]

Aim down sight in FPS games.

Isn't it great having half your vision obscured when you aim.

 

[tygertrip]

I dont want to have to watch an animation for every ingame chest i open or spam a button to open it. God of war i think had this issue

Bro, stay far, FAR, away from Red Dead Redemption 2, if this is your pet peeve.

 

[eastcoastkody]

the old yellow handholds to climb

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Melee tank
Magic using weakling
Swift moving archer/sniper/ranger

I think almost every game with classes uses this basic premise from the first RPG game made 40 years ago.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

For the love of all that is holy.
Turn off enemy sensing when you start any game that has stealth mechanics.

If you left it on and use it thats on you, thats on you!

Irrelevant as the game design is based on using it. So it will not matter if you turn it off.

 

[mhirano]

Maybe with duel sense you can ass vibrations to movement of enemies from particular locations, or even just let trial and error take a role in the players decision. It seems like an easy way to avoid taking a unique approach to these activities.

How am I supposed to hold my Dual Sense to feel this ‘ass vibration’?

 

[Excoman]

So...

What exactly do you guys want then?

 

[SteelCurtain 59]

Making every open world game bigger than the last is something that ideally would evolve

 

[Hendrick's]

Copy and paste objectives to fill open world games.

Cutscenes

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

How am I supposed to hold my Dual Sense to feel this ‘ass vibration’?

Between your cheeks.