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Phil Spencer - what’s he actually done?
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TLZ
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Agree with everything you said.
That's why I said what I said. Everyone should be held accountable for what they've done. No need to throw one guy under the bus constantly, even though he's been out for a decade.
MS should assess the new management, weigh the positives and negatives, see what they've done right, what went wrong and where to go from here.
hybrid_birth
Gold Member
What has Phil Spencer done? He's made his Nose grow with all these statements. Modern day Pinocchio.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
recursive
Member
Why care who takes over? It's a business not a sports team.
JackMcGunns
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Great works Phil
Yesterday: "OMG, look at how many hours Phil has spent playing games, he's not doing his job!"
Today: "OMG, look how little Phil is playing games, he's not doing his job!"
Gotta love the rats, green, blue or red.
Xbox is pretty much a disaster right now. They invested in everything than what ultimately matters, which is the games. I can't really think of any exclusive Xbox games coming up that would make anyone want to get a system.
What sucks about Xbox tanking like this is it gives Sony free reign to be greedy and lazy.
What sucks about Xbox tanking like this is it gives Sony free reign to be greedy and lazy.
Ultimately it IS Phil, because I'm sure he has the power to replace Matt. If you're the boss, accountability ultimately falls on you.
JackMcGunns
Member
Surely you do know that the purchase of Zenimax/Bethesda is literally all about the games, right? Even the best of studios have a bad egg once in a while.
Remember these turds? Haze, Lair, The Order, Knack, Death Stranding, GodFall? life goes on.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
Death stranding a turd ? Yep, there's that persecution complex again...
At the very least try to be more discrete man.
Also : The games on the "warz list" you posted, they're still 10x better than Redfall whether you like it or not - at least (with the exception of Lair) they've all shipped in a playable state, also, Godfall is not an exclusive
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
I'm probably going to get some hate for this, but one day Satya Nadella will wake up from this fever dream and realize that he has been taken for a ten year ride by Phil Spencer. No, Phil isn't some evil charlatan, but he is not competent and certainly not the right calibre to be leading Xbox/Microsoft's gaming division. He just managed to shift the goalposts to the moon by selling Nadella a dream of owning the "Netflix of Games", with neither the chops to execute said dream nor the vision to accurately predict the development of the gaming industry as a whole. I don't really blame Phil either. If anything, it's on Nadella to recognize his error of judgment and cut Phil out.
JackMcGunns
Member
Aww, did I hurt your feelings by adding Death Stranding? critics may give it a pass because it's "Brave", but Death Stranding is definitely one of those love it or hate it games and I hate it along with many people out here. But sure, lets ignore all the other games I listed as if it weren't already enough to make a point that not all anticipated games turn out to be good and life goes on.
Giallo Corsa
Gold Member
No feelings were hurt, it's just that it's painfully obvious where you stand /what you're trying to do (damage control /list wars), that's why I said to try making it less obvious, your post reeks of fanboyism, that's all
Your opinion on a game has little to do with it being a turd and someone disagreeing. It doesn't mean hurt feelings. I can call the best games out there turds, doesn't make them turds and people disagreeing is expected.
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Neff
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-Got rid of Kinect
-Pushed for and got backwards compatibility
-Cancelled Scalebound
I think that's it.
Someone definitely needs to come in and tell Microsoft that they're not indestructible and how the games industry works, and particularly educate them on the various demographics of players, because they really do seem to have lost the plot since the 360 era.
-Pushed for and got backwards compatibility
-Cancelled Scalebound
I think that's it.
Someone definitely needs to come in and tell Microsoft that they're not indestructible and how the games industry works, and particularly educate them on the various demographics of players, because they really do seem to have lost the plot since the 360 era.
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bentanchorbolt
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They have the money and resources to compete with and beat Sony, that is the crazy part. There is zero reason why someone like MS isn't able to release at the same rate and quality level as Sony, and even at a higher rate.
Sony is smaller, but they are smarter and more efficient, they do more with less, and the money they do have is spent very well by bringing in already quality studios, investing in who they have, and making timed deals that are attractive to the consumer. It's because they have good leadership. Imagine is MS had the same leadership, what they could accomplish.
Captain Toad
Banned
"I see commentary that if you just build great games, everything would turn around. It's just not true"
- Xbox CEO, Phil Spencer
- Xbox CEO, Phil Spencer
gothmog
Gold Member
I hear Tom Brady might be available.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Captain Toad
Banned
Your list consists of a few genuinely good games and several non-Sony games, including one that's on Xbox.
Well done.
jonnyp
Member
In all seriousness, he is better than Mattrick, just needs to understand that games are what's important. I have only owned one Xbox console, the 360, and I bought it solely because of Mass Effect and Gears of War. Of course I bought other games as well but those were what sold me on the console.
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Slicker than your average
Banned
Saved Xbox,
Cured cancer,
Solved cold fusion.
Can't imagine whats on the horizon for Spencer next.
Cured cancer,
Solved cold fusion.
Can't imagine whats on the horizon for Spencer next.
Boots_the_God
Member
Brought fighting games and JRPGs back to xbox.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
I think people grossly underestimate the damage Don Mattrick did. I’ll not defending Spencer’s record, but to say he should have fixed it is pretty silly without knowing the extent of the damage done during the Xbox one era. It was really the start of digital catalogs in many ways. Losing that market to PlayStation meant this generation would be exponentially tougher.
There is this thought here that if the games are good everyone will just own both consoles as if money grows on trees. Or that people will just switch over. This isn’t the case (look at Steam and Epic as examples of people getting entrenched). People get entrenched into their stores and comfort zones. The Xbox One generation was a brutal one to lose so badly.
I agree though that there are probably other things to take Phil to task for though. That isn’t one.
There is this thought here that if the games are good everyone will just own both consoles as if money grows on trees. Or that people will just switch over. This isn’t the case (look at Steam and Epic as examples of people getting entrenched). People get entrenched into their stores and comfort zones. The Xbox One generation was a brutal one to lose so badly.
I agree though that there are probably other things to take Phil to task for though. That isn’t one.
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Physiognomonics
Member
HIs error is thinking he needs to build games like if the end product was the most important. But money can't make great games obviously. What he needs to do is to build great teams (like Turn 10) that will then make great games.
When they bought Bungie they already were a great team with a great game but they tried to milk the end product (the Halo IP) by sacrificing Bungie who then left MS because as a team they weren't happy with MS forcing them to make only Halo.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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And then canceled Backwards Compatibility even though there's SO much more work needed to be done there! We don't even have patches for Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 3, Dead Rising 3, and Quantum Break!
Topher
Gold Member
I agree. Spencer was absolutely right when he said Xbox One was the worst generation to lose. Being able to bring libraries forward to the next gen locks a lot of folks into their current ecosystem. That was pretty huge especially in an increasing digital age where gamers who switch platforms might lose access to every game they had previously purchased. That's a hard ask.
If the hardware and overall strategy for last gen were more like this gen, I think things would be drastically different right now.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Like, he literally saved the Xbox One from completely floundering right out the gate because of Mattrick’s lack of focus on games and obsession with Kinect.
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Noxxera
Member
..is he? You know what his job duties entail exactly? Why don't you go apply to microsoft then?
Please tell me what exactly Phils job and responsibilities is since I legit dont know and can't be arsed to look it up.
Astray
Gold Member
How did he save it?
He may have made a pitch that convinced Satya not to shut down Xbox, but that doesn't necessarily mean he saved it yet.
Xbox right now exists as a zombie division that's not financially sustainable on its own, I would not consider that being 'saved'.
Topher
Gold Member
He is the CEO of Xbox. There isn't a thing happening at Xbox that isn't ultimately his responsibility.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
He came in and removed the mandate that each console sold must be bundled with Kinect. He closed down the short-lived TV show division that Mattrick had started before he left, and put the focus back on just good games and a good player experience. Games, games, games was the new focus when Phil took over in 2013. It's what saved the Xbox One from having a similar fate like the Wii U.
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Noxxera
Member
Ahh I see. Yeah he def needs the boot for making gamepass a thing.
Roberts
Member
It feels like I'm missing something here, because despite a few hitches here and there, it seems to me he has done a pretty damn good job, all things considered.
- So for three years (2017-2020) they had a noticeably better console than what the competition had.
- Let Sea of Thieves thrive after the somewhat rocky start. Could have just let it die, but instead let it grow into a masterpiece and one of the most important games of previous gen.
- Approved or supported stuff like Grounded and Pentiment - amazing games that are far more important to me than most AAA games.
- Let ID@Xbox grow into a very important part of xbox. They have amazing nose for talent and have supported majority of the very best indies.
- Even though it was probably a waste of money and resources, let the Backwards Compatibility team to do all the amazing work they have done. Also, someone has greenlit all the work done on stuff like Auto-HDR, FPS and Res Boost.
- Xbox adaptive controller. MS were the first ones to make one.
- Gamepass, duh.
- So for three years (2017-2020) they had a noticeably better console than what the competition had.
- Let Sea of Thieves thrive after the somewhat rocky start. Could have just let it die, but instead let it grow into a masterpiece and one of the most important games of previous gen.
- Approved or supported stuff like Grounded and Pentiment - amazing games that are far more important to me than most AAA games.
- Let ID@Xbox grow into a very important part of xbox. They have amazing nose for talent and have supported majority of the very best indies.
- Even though it was probably a waste of money and resources, let the Backwards Compatibility team to do all the amazing work they have done. Also, someone has greenlit all the work done on stuff like Auto-HDR, FPS and Res Boost.
- Xbox adaptive controller. MS were the first ones to make one.
- Gamepass, duh.
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Topher
Gold Member
Didn't say he needed the boot at all, now did I? He certainly needs to improve Xbox first party output. He has said as much himself.
kuncol02
Banned
For patch for Sunset Overdrive you need to ask Sony. Patches for XOne games are also not what BC team was doing. They made as much x360 and OG Xbox games playable as they possibly could due to technical and legal reasons. They quite literally made all work there was to do and after that down scaled to small experimental R&D team looking for new techniques of automatic upgrading of old games.
That was IMO pushed more by Nadella as his son had cerebral palsy.
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