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Planet, 4 times the size of Earth, may be way, way beyond Pluto

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A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.

The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month.

Astronomers who attended the talk find Gomes' arguments compelling, but they say much more evidence is needed before the hypothetical planet can be crowned as real.

For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.

Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003.

However, when Gomes ran the same calculations with the addition of the gravitational pull of a massive planet at the outskirts of the solar system, Sedna and the other anomalous objects' expected orbits fell in line with observations. The unseen planet would be too far away to perceptibly perturb the motions of Earth and the other inner planets, but close enough to the scattered disc objects to sway them.

Several planet types could fit the disturbances seen in Gomes' calculations. For example, a Neptune-size planet, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sun would influence the anomalous objects in the observed manner. Or, a Mars-size planet with a highly elongated orbit — but one that always kept it well beyond the orbit of Pluto — could yield similar results. As for how it got there, the planet could have been born in and expelled from a distant star system and later captured by our sun's gravity, Gomes said, or it could have formed near our sun and gradually been thrust outward through gravitational interactions with the other planets.

Though Gomes' work has not yet been peer-reviewed, his colleagues are confident he got the math right. "(Gomes) is very good. It's hard to imagine he made a mistake in his calculations," said Hal Levison, a planetary scientist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colo.

"Rodney Gomes is actively seeking further evidence and I await his findings with interest!" Douglas Hamilton, an astronomer at the University of Maryland, told Life's Little Mysteries. "He has taken on a difficult task, but is taking the right approach. It is definitely a high-risk, high-reward situation — a discovery of a new planet would be spectacular!"

This would not be the first time a planet was revealed by way of its gravitational effects on other celestial bodies. The existence of Neptune was hypothesized at the turn of the 19th century — long before the gas giant was actually seen through a telescope in 1846 — because of the way it was perturbing the orbit of Uranus.

On the other hand, many astronomers spent much of the 1900s searching for an extra planet, dubbed Planet X, beyond the orbit of Neptune, because they believed there were anomalies in the orbits of Neptune and the other gas giants. "But it turned out that anomaly in Neptune's orbit was the result of bad observation," Levison said. The search for Planet X was called off (though some conspiracy theorists believe this was a cover up of the planet Nibiru, which they say is on a collision course for Earth.)

"You can go back 100 years to claims of planets in the outer solar system and they've all eventually gone away," he continued. "That should give you pause for thought. Just because there's not a good explanation for (the orbits of the scattered disc objects) besides another planet, doesn't mean there won't be a good explanation in future."
Brown, who discovered Sedna, said another plausible explanation for that dwarf planet's strange behavior could be that a star swung near it early in the history of our solar system, throwing it for a loop. "Back at the time of the birth of the sun, the sun probably formed in a cluster of other stars. If true, they would have been close enough together to influence each other's outer planet systems, like where Sedna is," he said.

More work is needed to determine whether Sedna and the other scattered disc objects were sent on their circuitous trips round the sun by a star that passed by long ago, or by an unseen planet that exists in the solar system right now. Finding and observing the orbits of other distant objects similar to Sedna will add more data points to astronomers' computer models. "We, and a couple of other groups of astronomers, are working hard to see if we can track some down and figure out this mystery," Brown said.

As for the putative planet itself, Levison said, "The strength of the idea that there is a planet out there will be the inability to find another explanation for these objects. But seeing it is the only way to prove it."

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Pretty neato. Even if there isn't a planet there its cool that we can consider the possibility and admit that we don't know our own solar system as well as we might think. So many things to discover in our own solar system as well as across galaxies.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
I know but I'm confident that it was in the news around maybe 2005/2006. They even had pictures of the sighting but I can't find anything in the article about that particular case which I find odd.

/tinfoil hat

They've found a lot of transneptunian objects, it was probably one of those.
 

.GqueB.

Banned
All of this "discovery" and no "exploration". Just give NASA all the money already. This is something everyone can get behind.
 

Jeff-DSA

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It would have to be well beyond Pluto though, right? I mean, you can see Pluto with a nice backyard telescope and perfect conditions. Something four times the size of earth would have to be significantly deeper out into the solar system or would need to have a fairly dark surface.
 

Cyan

Banned
The search for Planet X was called off (though some conspiracy theorists believe this was a cover up of the planet Nibiru, which they say is on a collision course for Earth.)
Why the hell wasn't this bolded? Are you part of the conspiracy?
 
Still bitter that Pluto is not longer considered a planet. How do they know "Planet X" is actually a planet? What kind of orbit does it have?
 

DiscoJer

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It would have to be well beyond Pluto though, right? I mean, you can see Pluto with a nice backyard telescope and perfect conditions. Something four times the size of earth would have to be significantly deeper out into the solar system or would need to have a fairly dark surface.

Pluto has a pretty high albedo, IIRC, very reflective, so it reflects a good amount of light.
 
I see. well that explains that. but wouldn't this potential have an orbit that might get it closer to our sun? assuming that it's within our solar system of course.

A lot of the stuff we see across the galaxy we see first by the effects of its gravity on nearby objects. Its not as simple as panning across the cosmos until you spot something.

I'm no rocket surgeon but if a planet 4x the size of earth came thrashing through the inner solar system we'd have a lot less planets than we do now.
 

kswiston

Member
"Just beyond" Pluto is a bit of misnomer. This hypothetical planet would be 225 billion kilometers away. Pluto never gets further than 7.5 billion km from the sun.


I'm still bugged about the world population. Seven billion, wtf? In school they told me six billion, and that's what I'll continue to believe.

It was 5 billion when I was in early elementary school. That sounded best.
 
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