Sanepar
Member
5 there are support studios. With only 16 studios making games they need at least to double that count.PlayStation Studios family!
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PlayStation buys Firewalk Studios
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StealthGoblin
Banned
Many of those teams are 1.5 or 2 team studios.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Why? And don't say "to compete with MS" please. Not when many of these studios are developing multiple games
Eotheod
Member
But...they aren't from the ground up? They existed before the acquisition and just happened to sign with PlayStation to develop their GAAS because of higher market share. There is no organic creation here, the only organic creation is an actual PlayStation studio being developed literally from existing/new employees.
I love the sheer push on GAAS titles, which are most likely going to fizzle after release because the market just can not deal with more than maybe three at a time. Add in the fact these development studios are staring titles two to three years ago and by release are going to be outdated mechanic and technology-wise, it just seems pointless to push such large amounts of the genre.
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Poltz
Member
Why?
Sanepar
Member
To delivery more than 3 exclusives on good years and not have years like this one. I would say a good flow will be a game per quarter. They need at least 5 more studios for that.Why? And don't say "to compete with MS" please. Not when many of these studios are developing multiple games
Poltz
Member
That isn’t Sony’s goal.
Unknown?
Member
Andrew House and Shawn Layden? Andrew House played it as safe as could be. He didn't acquire any studios and in fact killed studios. Shawn Layden wanted bigger games but less of them.That's great and all but can we please see some fucking games already? 2 years in and Jimbro still thinks it's a good idea to skip the PlayStation Showcase from last year and continue to show nothing at all to this day. God I fucking hate modern day Sony marketing team/higher ups. The new crew is absolutely shit.
Andrew House and Shawn Layden was where Sony was best, now they're all playing this mouse and cat bullshit game by not doing any big shows and doing these State of Plays that focus on single titles or a bunch of indies no one cares for.
Yes, I'll admit I am very upset. PS5 is a great machine, but this marketing has been a shit show. The PS4 marketing was so much more exciting snd interesting, every year there was something interesting that got announced. Wolverine sounds great and all and I want it don't get me wrong, but that's not enough for announcements.
I don't care for Spiderman 2 simply because I just don't like the superhero. I am sure the game will be great regardless though.
They bought all these studios and are supposedly working on these GaaS titles. Where is the Twisted Metal? Where is the new game from Bungie? Where is TLOU Factions? Where is the game from San Diego? Where is the game from Sony Bend? It's been 2+ years since Bluepoint's last release (Demons Souls), where is their next title? Hello???? Knock knock motherfucker, announce PS Showcase already, please for fucks sake man.
Sorry, I had to get this off my chest. I love my PS5 but I just wanna see some more god damn games dude. So much potential and they've been quiet for way to long and it's starting to get old.
I am gonna assume they're staying quiet because of the Activision Blizzard acquisition bullshit and don't want to show their guns until that whole fiasco is done and over with. But that's just a personal assumption. For all I fucking know maybe the games are just not ready, I don't know :/
PS4's marketing is why we're at where we are today. People didn't want to see games that were three years out or even two years away. So Sony listened. Games take a long time to make now days it isn't like PS2 where there were yearly sequels.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
Got rid of the trash for you.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Clearly something about their strategy is working out lately.
About those "3 games in a good year"
hum...
PlayStation 4
2020
- Retail
- Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment in Japan)
- Dreams (PlayStation VR support)
- Ghost of Tsushima
- Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
- MLB The Show 20
- Nioh 2 (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment outside Asia)
- Predator: Hunting Grounds
- Sackboy: A Big Adventure
- The Last of Us Part II
- PlayStation Network
- PlayStation VR
2021
- Retail
- Call of Duty: Vanguard (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment in Japan)
- Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut
- MLB The Show 21
- PlayStation Network
2022
- Retail
- Classics Catalog
2023
- Retail
- Classics Catalog
PlayStation 5[edit]
2020[edit]
- Retail
- PlayStation Network
2021[edit]
- Retail
- Destruction AllStars
- The Nioh Collection (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment outside Japan)
- MLB The Show 21
- Returnal
- Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
- Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut
- Death Stranding Director's Cut
- Call of Duty: Vanguard (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment in Japan)
- PlayStation Network
- Nioh Remastered (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment outside Japan)
- Nioh 2 Remastered (Published by Sony Interactive Entertainment outside Japan)
- Ghost of Tsushima: Legends
2022[edit]
- Retail
- Classics Catalog
2023[edit]
- Retail
- Gran Turismo 7 (PlayStation VR2 support)
- MLB The Show 23
- PlayStation VR2
- Horizon Call of the Mountain (Download only)
- Classics Catalog
Announced for 2023[edit]
- Retail
- PlayStation VR2
vaibhavpisal
Member
They need to stop moneyhatting 3rd party exclusives.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
Why? They have a big enough marketshare to make it profitable.
vaibhavpisal
Member
It's not good for IP growth and health of the industry.
All games need to have wider audiance.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Like MS needs to stop buying huge ass publishers to try and save their business.
Each one is doing what's best for their business. It is what it is.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
Do you have an example of any IP that didn't grew because Sony paid for exclusivity?
Also, it seems like the industry is doing more than just fine.
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Poltz
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
Final Fantasy.
FF 15 is highest selling game in franchise despite having poor reception. 10 million+ sold
FF 7 remake despite having stellar reception have not reached that mark. Else we would have gotten announcement.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
To my understanding Square Enix can make versions of FF to other platforms if they want - but they won't cause it's not profitable?
vaibhavpisal
Member
FF 16 is not coming to PC, a system that has highest install base in Japan. Definitely will be profitable.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
It will after 6 months. SE is just optimizing and finishing the PS5 version first.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
This is purely speculation, but from my point of view, Square Enix has tried to be a Playstation studio for the past 5-6 years. They will always focus on Playstation first in this regard.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Isn't that Fortnite and Genshin Impact?
Yoboman
Member
Strong first party support studio network is why PlayStation is maintaining success and Xbox is failing
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Yoboman
Member
Xbox adds nothing
AncientOrigin
Member
People don’t see the picture here.This studio has around 150 employees made most of ex Bungie staff.So that is a talented studio this is the most important aspect you need in a studio.And with financial support and freedom given by Sony that means very good things.Why are people always so negative.I mean look at other studios like Sega who has plants of IPs who produces Bad to mediocre stuff with the exception of Yakuza series.I take a studio who is unknown but produces something great than a studio who has lots of famous IPs and produces trash mostly
vaibhavpisal
Member
They are funding their first party games.
TheTony316
Member
I highly doubt Sony going to get any Japanese studio. The days of Sony have first part Japanese games are over.
Astrobot
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I don’t think that’s true. Nd is making factions, gg is making Horizon mp, bends next game is GaaS, Insomniac was hiring mp devs so they also have something in the works. That leaves SSM, bluepoint and housemarque.
12 GaaS games when they have maybe 16 studios means 75% of the studios are working on gaas with some of them simultaneously working on single player games like Spider-Man 2, tlou3, Wolverine and whatever ssm is working on.
MasterCornholio
Member
I thought it was.
https://www.gameshub.com/news/news/final-fantasy-16-ps5-exclusive-pc-release-naoki-yoshida-2608241/
Don't you mean Xbox?
Thirty7ven
Banned
It doesn’t sound great but until we can say that Sony is making less SP games or funding less SP games through third party partners, there’s not much to be worried about.
PlayStation studios definitely need to have an hand in multiplayer gaming. And MS acquiring ABK just proves that they can’t keep solely relying on other publishers.
However the idea that Ryan and Herman are willing to leave behind story driven games that are so successful doesn’t hold water, specially with Sony pushing for transmedia opportunities, and the success of TLOU HBO.
PlayStation deserves a bit of trust here.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Xbox version will also sell a minimum of a million copies. So that too. But PC gaming is bigger than console gaming in Japan. Not launching on PC is just limiting the franchise.
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[Sigma]
Member
Since when did it pass up FF7
MasterCornholio
Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
They are giving mixed messages.
Final Fantasy XVI Producer Suggests PC Players Should Just 'Buy A PS5'
Naoki Yoshida seemed to reject the idea that the upcoming action RPG will come to PC
kotaku.com
"Producer Naoki Yoshida, colloquially known as Yoshi-P, was interviewed at a Mahjong tournament over the weekend, where he was asked whether Final Fantasy XVI would come to PC, something Square Enix confirmed when it revealed the game almost two years ago. However, despite that detail found in the footnote text at the bottom of the trailer, Yoshi-P said the release information is wrong, according to a “rough translation” by the Japanese gaming news Twitter account Genki_JPN. In fact, there may not be a PC version coming at all, as Yoshi-P is apparently suggesting folks go out and buy a PS5 instead."
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I highly doubt Sony going to get any Japanese studio. The days of Sony have first part Japanese games are over.
Astrobot
MasterCornholio
Member
That's not a confirmation like you said.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I just meant the single player studios will largely remain single player and MP will just be a side thing
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You're counting subscription plan additions, directors cuts and collection packs as part of the gaming count? Also part of your bullet points are things like Ghost of Tsushima MP mode and GT7 VR mode as separate game entries?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They have just one single player game releasing this year. This after shipping zero next Gen games last year. Even if we count the four cross gen games they released last year, they are going to be beaten 3-1 this year by Microsoft this year. Not a good look for what is supposed to be the best first party. It’s safe to say that their sp output is suffering from this mp focus.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I mean...erase that and you still get more than 3 entries "in a good year" so...
2020 alone was ridiculous. This year we already got an MLB game, Horizon DLC, Horizon for VR2, we'll get Spider-Man 2 and we'll see what else after their showcase.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Not only that. He counted call of duty as a Sony game because Sony published it in Japan lmao. Some people have no shame.
The fact of the matter is that Sony first party had two games in 2021, four in 2022, and just one in 2023. That’s if it doesn’t get delayed.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The VR game is still a first party game, yes?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ah yes. Forgot about that. Ok 2 games this year.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s not first party but you’re also getting Final Fantasy.
The best first party doesn’t mean a constant stream of games. Go play games from other publishers. RE 4 remake just came out, Jedi Survivor is around the corner.
Also next gen cross gen, that’s just a bunch of bullshit, that distinction doesn’t really matter in the real world.
Deviation Games will be next?
I look forward to see all these new projects getting announced.
Clearly to buy a new studio before they release their game and see how it is received is a *huge* sign of confidence in what they're cooking.
Same thing happened with the Jade Raymond's studio.
I look forward to see all these new projects getting announced.
Clearly to buy a new studio before they release their game and see how it is received is a *huge* sign of confidence in what they're cooking.
Same thing happened with the Jade Raymond's studio.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
They locked up Final Fantasy and Forespoken. Obviously the latter flopped, but the former is a massive title.
So it's not like they really needed anything else when you have two gigantic games like FF16 and SM2 releasing. Third party has also been exceptionally strong in their favor.
If we are going to credit Microsoft for Hi-Fi Rush, Redfall, and Starfield - games that would otherwise be on Playstation had MS not bought them out - then we need to include the Square titles as well. It's the same thing.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
We are talking about first party studios focusing too much on GaaS games. Not how many exclusives they have locked up. The fact of the matter is that Sony has 12 gaas games coming out in the next 3 years and a large majority of their studios are making those games. They have 1 non vr game coming out this year for the ps5. Are we seriously considering the possibility that they will have more than 12 sp games coming out in the next 3 years?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
They have 3 though this year.
We literally know nothing about 2024 at all, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a good mix of SP/MP stuff.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
I don’t believe PlayStation studios will put out 4 GAAS games per year for the next three years so…
We know what’s coming this year and we don’t know when Wolverine, DS2 and TLoU Online are coming out. The rest we don’t even know what they are.