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[Foffy]

Republicans don't run the world. What will work for others will be adopted in the US, period.

We have to fight for those things, though. See the problem of college education and health care in America. ):

 

[Raistlin]

You haven't been paying attention. Republican politicians have managed to convince their mostly-Catholic base that the Pope is wrong and their views are the Christian views.

They've been telling him to shut up since he started speaking out over a year ago.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/republicans-respond-to-the-pope/?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/17/jeb-bush-joins-republican-backlash-pope-climate-change

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/santorum-pope-francis-leave-science-the-scientists

I specifically stated fundamentalist / hardcore Catholics. The above is more geared to moderate Catholics.

As I implied though, the question is how many fundamentalist / hardcore Catholics are there really in the US at this point?




BTW - My favorite of those articles is the last one, "Santorum to Pope Francis: ‘Leave science to the scientists’"

LOL The scientists are the ones stating this to begin with >_<

fucking PATHETIC


Of course that all works with the amazing job they've done presenting 'fair and balanced' reporting that gives the impression that 0.01% of scientists who disagree is actually an even split instead of the consensus it really is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg#t=2m44s

 

[Deleted member 17706]

That's cute. An old man ignorant about energy markets and physical sciences wants to say something.

You're obviously ignorant if you assume he's ignorant of physical sciences.

Either way, we're rapidly propelling to a future where a whole lot of us are going to die in very non-pretty ways if we stay on course. Our current system is not sustainable and it's highly unlikely that some magical technology will emerge before we all start killing each other for resources.

 

[GaimeGuy]

I've read quite a bit of the text and talked to long time devote Catholics on this; It's really interesting in context of framing this as a "moral" judgement on his part that most Catholics have an issue with. Either way I'm also somewhat in awe that this has gone beyond politics now.

I'm not.I'm not. As long as humanity is confined to a single planet, the health of the planet is of existential consideration and importance. It's way beyond politics

 

[Stinkles]

The hilarious thing to me about Jeb Bush's scolding nonsense was that he was saying climate change isn't a moral matter, but a political one. He is basically admitting that his politics are literally amoral.

And ignoring the very stern commandment in the Bible that demands humans be good stewards of the earth.

 

[RiZ III]

So how will all of my conservative Catholic friends peform the mental gymnastics to get around this one? Should be hilarious.

The only Republican Catholic I know is basically a conservative evangelical protestant and he doesn't realize it. All his news sources come from right wing media sources which are of course protestant.

 

[thefro]

I specifically stated fundamentalist / hardcore Catholics. The above is more geared to moderate Catholics.

As I implied though, the question is how many fundamentalist / hardcore Catholics are there really in the US at this point?

His argument and the theology in the text is really good. It's going to be hard for conservative priests/bishops to dismiss it and hard for any fundamentalist Catholics to dismiss it.

 

[Ether_Snake]

We have to fight for those things, though. See the problem of college education and health care in America. ):

When it comes to technological progress, there isn't much that can stand in its way if it's broadly applied elsewhere and bringing obvious benefits.

 

[Fenderputty]

Well this is going to confuse the fuck out of conservative voters lol



Also, Jeb just lost the hardcore Catholic vote outright. Sorry, but you can't just call out the Pope as being wrong like that. Not gonna fly.

Protestants don't respect Catholics, generally. Plenty of conservatives don't give s damn about what he says. A lot of Catholics shut their ears when this pope speaks as well.

 

[KimiNewt]

Some guy and his followers say the current scientific consensus is okay.
Big whoop.

 

[WedgeX]

Some guy and his followers say the current scientific consensus is okay.
Big whoop.

He is the religious head for 1.2 billion people. And in the US some politicians had been hijacking the name of the faith in order to push doubt in climate change.

 

[Fenderputty]

Some guy and his followers say the current scientific consensus is okay.
Big whoop.

Dat tag

 

[CrocMother]

What's cool about this is that these encyclicals influence basically every catholic institution in the world's learning criteria. And there are a TON.

So more people will learn about environmental sustainability from an early age. That is by far the biggest effect from this.

 

[Raistlin]

Protestants don't respect Catholics, generally. Plenty of conservatives don't give s damn about what he says. A lot of Catholics shut their ears when this pope speaks as well.

>_<


I said hardcore catholics


gdi

Spoiler

lol

 

[Foffy]

What's cool about this is that these encyclicals influence basically every catholic institution in the world's learning criteria. And there are a TON.

So more people will learn about environmental sustainability from an early age. That is by far the biggest effect from this.

If we can instill that and to instill in people the problems of mandated double-binds - particularly with labor - perhaps we can avoid Big Problem #1 and Big Problem #2 from really being massive, culturally defining disasters. We literally have nothing planned if they become serious problems, and instead are accelerating them to become problems, more than anything.

It's unfortunate that we're in a world where people still fight climate change, and nobody is really talking about the automation and labor problem in honest, public ways. It makes me sad as a human being seeing this social tsunami at work. Why must we be neck deep in a problem before people do anything about it?

 

[KimiNewt]

He is the religious head for 1.2 billion people. And in the US some politicians had been hijacking the name of the faith in order to push doubt in climate change.

Yeah, obviously. I'm just saying it's nothing to commemorate.
It influences some dumb folk, but is that really something we should be happy about? It'd be better if those people were critically minded and could construct their opinions properly themselves.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I don't know if I could ever go Catholic, but I'm starting to get inspired here.

 

[RM8]

You don't need to push an agenda in this discussion or try to derail.

It might not be relevant to this thread, but he's right. It's hypocritical to ignore scientific consensus on one topic but not on others.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

It influences some dumb folk, but is that really something we should be happy about? It'd be better if those people were critically minded and could construct their opinions properly themselves.

So you'd prefer to be disappointed. Most people aren't going to think about something that doesn't have a tangible benefit. You sometimes need to guide people towards things they should care about. That's why there are leaders.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

I don't know if I could ever go Catholic, but I'm starting to get inspired here.

You may be interested in reading some Chesterton.

 

[Guileless]

Seeing this document primarily in terms of a cudgel to use against Republican politicians is limiting.

Consider the basis for Francis's critique of our current systems:

A spirituality which forgets God as all-powerful and Creator is not acceptable. That is how we end up worshipping earthly powers, or ourselves usurping the place of God, even to the point of claiming an unlimited right to trample his creation underfoot. The best way to restore men and women to their rightful place, putting an end to their claim to absolute dominion over the earth, is to speak once more of the figure of a Father who creates and who alone owns the world. Otherwise, human beings will always try to impose their own laws and interests on reality.

and

Neglecting to monitor the harm done to nature and the environmental impact of our decisions is only the most striking sign of a disregard for the message contained in the structures of nature itself. When we fail to acknowledge as part of reality the worth of a poor person, a human embryo, a person with disabilities – to offer just a few examples – it becomes difficult to hear the cry of nature itself; everything is connected. Once the human being declares independence from reality and behaves with absolute dominion, the very foundations of our life begin to crumble, for “instead of carrying out his role as a cooperator with God in the work of creation, man sets himself up in place of God and thus ends up provoking a rebellion on the part of nature.”

Pope Francis would certainly be banned from Neogaf as transphobic.

 

[alstein]

That's cute. An old man ignorant about energy markets and physical sciences wants to say something.

He has a degree in Chemistry.

 

[Niks]

best pope.

That's cute. An old man ignorant about energy markets and physical sciences wants to say something.

worst post

 

[Kurdel]

I wonder how Jeb Bush feels about this?

 

[Guileless]

I wonder how Jeb Bush feels about this?

What every other American thinks. Where it conflicts with our autonomous will, we can safely ignore it. Right?