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PS4 sold "twice as many" units as Xbox One, new court papers show

New court documents have confirmed that Sony's PS4 console sold "twice as many" units as Microsoft's Xbox One during la…

www.eurogamer.net

As spotted by GameLuster and translated via Google Translate - so bear with me; this may not be a 100 per cent word-for-word translation - page 17/18 (paragraph 46) of Microsoft's own published court papers state that "Sony has surpassed Microsoft in terms of console sales and installed [sic] base, having sold more than twice as many Xbox [One units] in the last generation".


Back in January, Sony confirmed that more than 116m PS4 consoles have now been sold worldwide, and recently gave a lifetime sales total of 117.2 million, making it one of the most successful consoles of all time, if not quite eclipsing its most popular system, PS2. And while Microsoft has been more reticent about its sales figures, if the claims in the Brazillian court papers are right, that means Microsoft's Xbox One system could have sold around half that amount: somewhere in the region of 50-60 million.

 

[Skifi28]

Wow, ps4 sold so well Microsoft took Sony to court.

 

[Pelta88]

Mindshare can't be purchased. It can only be built. Hats off to PlayStation and the PS4. What a wild gen they had. What a bevy of incredible games.

 

[bitbydeath]

And that’s why Microsoft don’t give numbers anymore.

 

[Kagey K]

Seems in line with what most people thought.

Not sure if news.

 

[Calverz]

And Microsoft still challenging sony. Impressive.

 

[Starforce2005]

Doesn't matter what people think of PS4 (Weak CPU, loud noise etc.), you have to admit, in an era where portable/mobile gaming dominates the market, a device without these capability selling this well is amazing

 

[bitbydeath]

And Microsoft still challenging sony. Impressive.

MS don’t care, they could be beaten three times over this gen and will still come back for more.

 

[01011001]

I mean... we already knew that

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Thought it was over 2x WW?

 

[leo-j]

117M vs 55-59M ?

Pretty big drop from 360. But they are doing well now still being the only available to purchase console (seriesS).

 

[Sosokrates]

End of an ERA. Such a sales lead won't happen this gen, not that console sales on the own are that important anymore.

If the Activision deal goes through things won't be the same.

It's actually surprising the Xbox one did as well as it did considering all the issues it had. Imagine what Xbox can do with there shit together?

 

[bitbydeath]

End of an ERA. Such a sales lead won't happen this gen, not that console sales on the own are that important anymore.

If the Activision deal goes through things won't be the same.

It's actually surprising the Xbox one did as well as it did considering all the issues it had. Imagine what Xbox can do with there shit together?

It’s still happening.
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/11/18/ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-sales-2021/amp/

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Microsoft did that to themselves with dumb choices. They aren't doing that this generation.

 

[Max_Po]

rofl...

 

[Topher]

50+ million isn’t that bad considering how awful the launch and the poor first party content Xbox had all gen long. Lessons learned and obviously applied to Xbox Series.

 

[SupremeHoodie]

Honestly thought it would more. North America is like, the only consistently viable market for Xbox. Meanwhile Sony has Japan, Europe and North America.

 

[solidus12]

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Not according to Colteastwood, Dealer, Tom Warren, and Destin Lagarie

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Pricing was huge as well as better games

 

[ReBurn]

Didn't we already know that PS4 sold more than twice the units of Xbox One? Microsoft took all of the momentum they had with the 360 and literally drove the train into a brick wall.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Oh and this gem sounds like me talking to my wife

 

[Topher]

Pricing was huge as well as better games

Yep......and then the next day....

Side note: I miss Andrew House. Sorry Jimbo.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Yep......and then the next day....

Side note: I miss Andrew House. Sorry Jimbo.

Never forget this murder on Youtube as well

 

[Topher]

Never forget this murder on Youtube as well

Brutal. Perfect storm for PS4.

 

[Sosokrates]

It’s still happening.
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/11/18/ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-sales-2021/amp/

Your source is nearly a year old, last time i checked PS5 is at 21+million and xbox series at 15million+

 

[FF:Enhanced_Reality]

Mindshare can't be purchased. It can only be built. Hats off to PlayStation and the PS4. What a wild gen they had. What a bevy of incredible games.

I'd argue Microsoft have dominated mind share for quite some time. Sony have been riding their own coat tails since 2018. They've allowed Microsoft to really grow into the market and made the process of increasing market share much easier.

Your source is nearly a year old, last time i checked PS5 is at 21+million and xbox series at 15million+



In fairness the easily available, £250 brand new Series S model inflates those numbers significantly. If Sony had a cheaper budget PS5 that was less powerful than the main unit and easily available, I'm sure they'd sell gangbusters.

 

[jm89]

Classic

 

[Moses85]

 

[Sosokrates]

Classic

 

[jaysius]

PS4 was technically better last gen, I just wish my PS4 Pro didn’t sound like a fucking jet engine.

 

[Topher]

I'd argue Microsoft have dominated mind share for quite some time. Sony have been riding their own coat tails since 2018. They've allowed Microsoft to really grow into the market and made the process of increasing market share much easier.

I wouldn't say "dominated" by any stretch but they certainly clawed back a chunk. But Sony has continued to deliver in the games department and that is where most of the "mind share" comes from. Microsoft has made smart decisions since Phil Spencer took over and the changes are paying dividends. Overall, the two companies are extremely competitive and that's a good thing.

 

[Moses85]

Never forget this murder on Youtube as well

 

[jaysius]

In fairness the easily available, £250 brand new Series S model inflates those numbers significantly. If Sony had a cheaper budget PS5 that was less powerful than the main unit and easily available, I'm sure they'd sell gangbusters.

That’s the entire point of Series S take market share, it’s not for the gamers it’s to dominate the market, slowly but surely it’ll get closer.

 

[Dolodolo]

End of an ERA. Such a sales lead won't happen this gen, not that console sales on the own are that important anymore.

If the Activision deal goes through things won't be the same.

It's actually surprising the Xbox one did as well as it did considering all the issues it had. Imagine what Xbox can do with there shit together?

Interestingly, are you going to write this garbage in each branch, not confirmed by anything other than a shortage of more powerful equipment?

 

[Sosokrates]

I'd argue Microsoft have dominated mind share for quite some time. Sony have been riding their own coat tails since 2018. They've allowed Microsoft to really grow into the market and made the process of increasing market share much easier.

Your source is nearly a year old, last time i checked PS5 is at 21+million and xbox series at 15million+



In fairness the easily available, £250 brand new Series S model inflates those numbers significantly. If Sony had a cheaper budget PS5 that was less powerful than the main unit and easily available, I'm sure they'd sell gangbusters.

Thats like saying if xbox one had sony first party and was more powerful and the same price it would sell gangbusters.

Sonu didnt do a seriesS like console and therefore wont reap the benefits and negetives, where as Microsoft will.

 

[Sosokrates]

Interestingly, are you going to write this garbage in each branch, not confirmed by anything other than a shortage of more powerful equipment?

Whys what garbage?

 

[ManaByte]

Classic

“Paid online play”? Guess whoever made that didn’t get the memo about PS+ on the PS4.

 

[Dolodolo]

Whys what garbage?

Because your analysis is based on nothing but statistics, which actually makes no sense due to the lack of equipment.

When all the consoles are in a row, and will be available in stores all the time, then you can analyze

For now, it's just a fairy tale.

 

[Sosokrates]

I wouldn't say "dominated" by any stretch but they certainly clawed back a chunk. But Sony has continued to deliver in the games department and that is where most of the "mind share" comes from. Microsoft has made smart decisions since Phil Spencer took over and the changes are paying dividends. Overall, the two companies are extremely competitive and that's a good thing.

While I think Sony has done a bit better in the games department, Xbox have been releasing some very good stuff too. (Flight sim, infinite, FH5, psychonauts 2)

Sonys current superior mindshare is a result of the PS4s success.
COD is the most popular online game on PS4, once thats on gamepass and Microsoft have marketing the mindshare will be more even, may even shift majority for XBOX.

Buying zenimax + acti-blizz is a big deal, big enough to shift mindshare and sony knows this.

 

[Sosokrates]

Because your analysis is based on nothing but statistics, which actually makes no sense due to the lack of equipment.

When all the consoles are in a row, and will be available in stores all the time, then you can analyze

For now, it's just a fairy tale.

I still have no idea what u are refering to.

 

[Topher]

While I think Sony has done a bit better in the games department, Xbox have been releasing some very good stuff too. (Flight sim, infinite, FH5, psychonauts 2)

Yeah, Sony has just been more consistent, but Xbox will improve in that area as their studios pump out more content. Last year was the best year for Xbox in quite a while.

 

[Robb]

Sounds in line with what most people seem to have thought.

All in all a pretty successful gen for Xbox despite screwing up to the degree that they did. 50M+ is a lot more than quite a few of Nintendo systems.

 

[TheGecko]

Swings and roundabouts isn't it. This Gen sony have got arrogant again, ps5 is a pos and has the worst controller in history, and don't give me that ma haptic shit. The pad is oversized, over weight and has shit ergonomics.

 

[Dolodolo]

Wrong post

 

[Dolodolo]

I still have no idea what u are refering to.

On what basis are you saying that xbox will be able to seriously close the gap with the Playstation?
On the fact that they bought Activision and Bethesda?
Only on this one?

Because we do not have objective statistics due to lack of equipment in stores other than xbox series S

What do you not understand in my words?

 

[Sosokrates]

On what basis are you saying that xbox will be able to seriously close the gap with the Playstation?
On the fact that they bought Activision and Bethesda?
Only on this one?

Because we do not have objective statistics due to lack of equipment in stores other than xbox series S

What do you not understand in my words?

The same reasons playstation gained double the insallbase of Xbox.

• Games
• Hardware
• Services
• Marketing

If the xbox one sold 50million with its issues, imagine how much better the series consoles will do. And some of those customers will be PS4 customers.

 

[Unknown?]

50+ million isn’t that bad considering how awful the launch and the poor first party content Xbox had all gen long. Lessons learned and obviously applied to Xbox Series.

First party hasn't been learned on the Series, it's still nearly nonexistent.

 

[Jaybe]

More than 2x hmm? Probably was close to 3x.

 

[Topher]

First party hasn't been learned on the Series, it's still nearly nonexistent.

I'd say buying Bethesda is evidence of learning in a pretty big way.

 

[Sosokrates]

First party hasn't been learned on the Series, it's still nearly nonexistent.

No sonys first party is nearly nonexistent.