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[nikos]

They look like smoke or cotton candy. You can see them being drawn and dissipating as you move through them, which could be a technical limitation.

Not very realistic but the game's entire setting isn't either.

 

[GymWolf]

I know the game is probably gonna have more aerial gameplay time, but i could not give less fucks about even better clouds that what we had already.

but they look indeed nice.

 

[GymWolf]

Hell yea.

This is going to put 99% of the industry to complete shame visually.

Lol, the base game already does that.

 

[Pagusas]

Yeah, being that I am not a PC gamer, I do miss out on great games. I want WoW and ARMA 3 and iRacing on console for example, but that won't happen

Oh...and...

Going to miss him greatly (though not the drama he's brought over the last few years).

Onward to the Love era, here's praying and hoping he's good.

 

[Kvally]

Going to miss him greatly (though not the drama he's brought over the last few years).

Onward to the Love era, here's praying and hoping he's good.

Favre pissed me off at the end. But Rodgers has pissed me off more at the end. But both given us great football, so I am glad we have had them.

Time for some Jordan Love!

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Pre-ordered.

 

[Kvally]

Pre-ordered.

Smart man! The pre-order bonuses look pretty cool IMO.

 

[balls of snow]

I would imagine the final boss of the dlc would be the Horus just tearing shit through the environment. Would be a sight to see.

 

[akaFullmetal]

Looking nice, hope to see other improvement's through out the world.

 

[nowhat]

I would imagine the final boss of the dlc would be the Horus just tearing shit through the environment. Would be a sight to see.

I'm not really into multiplayer. Practically at all when it comes to online, couch co-op/vs can be fun though.

But something like a 30+ person team taking down a Horus as PvE - fuck yeah, I'd be down for that. As Sony seems to have an interest in GaaS, that's something I could see myself doing.

 

[Alebrije]

Hell yea.

This is going to put 99% of the industry to complete shame visually.

Just imagine that gif was about Link flying to an island...The Zelda we will never see...

 

[mckmas8808]

Lol, the base game already does that.

The devs that make the game seem to disagree with you.

Edit: Or did you mean the base game on the PS5 only?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Lol, the base game already does that.

But they're now betterer!

They explain the differences.

 

[skit_data]

It makes me happy that it does indeed seem to focus on using the Sunwing and flight traversal, one of my problems with Horizon FW was introducing flying way too late in the game leading to it being very under utilized.

 

[IFireflyl]

Dumb question, how is this different than the cloud system in flight simulator?

These are Sony clouds.

 

[DarthPutin]

I want flying to be in all open worlds if at all plausible. Currently flying in HL and it's not even that well done but still super cool. I need well done aerial battles with pursuit, etc, at some point.

Can't wait too see what they'll come up with for DLC.

 

[CamHostage]

They look like smoke or cotton candy. You can see them being drawn and dissipating as you move through them, which could be a technical limitation.

Not very realistic but the game's entire setting isn't either.

Oh, yeah, huh? They accidentally captured a little of their technical limitations of the culling process in their promo footage. (Look over to the right instead of the left/center... or don't, because once you see it you may not be able to unsee it and maybe it's too cool to ruin right now.)

MS Flight Simulator seems to have some of those little issues in its cloud system. (It also has some older approaches to solving cloud depth challenges, but for a game approaching 3 years old, it's still awesome as well.) Clouds in real life do shift and break apart in the airstream as well as show differently as light plays across its particles from varying angles, but not this fast or like that. Still, as cool as tech can get right now, and should be fun to soar through the skies.

This gif could of makes me pissed that Horizon 2 was available on the PS4 now. UGH!

But again, it's not like these clouds would have existed if they had targeted PS5 only. They had to totally rewrite Decima's Nubis weather system to pull off all the effects and environmental looks needed for Forbidden West, and then on top of that they went back in and wrote a new layer of complication for how to fully realize aerial space. They had to go through the whole crucible of progress to get here, and they had to make all the elements they needed for their plans on Forbidden West first (low-hanging clouds for cold environments, gathering and dissipating clouds for the changes of weather across biomes, swirling vortexes for the Supercell Storms, etc.) before they could think of something extra in a DLC or a sequel.

BTW, for those interested in Decima's Nubis system in depth, there are tech talks out there on Guerrila's cloud system. In fact, a 2017 SIGGRAPH talk after the release of Horizon 1 showed some of their future work experimentations, and these new cloud experiments ended up being what they actually delivered in H:FW and now Burning Shores.

 

[GymWolf]

But they're now betterer!

They explain the differences.

I was talking in general, not just the clouds.

 

[GymWolf]

The devs that make the game seem to disagree with you.

Edit: Or did you mean the base game on the PS5 only?

The second option.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 definitely looks to be the same technology.

 

[midnightAI]

They look like smoke or cotton candy. You can see them being drawn and dissipating as you move through them, which could be a technical limitation.

Not very realistic but the game's entire setting isn't either.

I don't think it's a technical limitation as such, these are animated voxel clouds, they are just sped up (like a timelapse) which is what the clouds and lighting in games usually is or you'd never see day/night changes. If you watch a timelapse of clouds you'd see similar behaviour.

 

[UnNamed]

Someone with some skill should add the neogaf logo, like this

 

[midnightAI]

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 definitely looks to be the similar technology.

Ftfy

Watch the video about Nubis, this is an evolution of that.

 

[UnNamed]

Driveclub surpassed these "next-level clouds" in 2014.

True.
DC had clouds that affect lighting during gameplay, so for example you had races where a part of a track was rainy and another part was sunny.

That's why DC still has the best transition from sun to rain in a videogame, and it's still unmatched.

 

[Heisenberg007]

More cloud flying in this new clip.

 

[Eotheod]

This looks exactly like Flight Simulator's voxel cloud rendering? Is it not in the same vein?

 

[skit_data]

Ok, it actually looks like they fixed my second problem too which was underwhelming underwater exploration/combat:



This is looking great!

 

[staticshock]

Dumb question, how is this different than the cloud system in flight simulator?

Its not close.

MS Flight Simulator is an entire system, not just that but the cloud occludes light. The Cloud is also casts shadow and is also self shadowing. This is without even mentioning whether phenomenon (rain, rainbow, hurricane, storms, cloud types and formation, etc) and physics.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Its not close.

MS Flight Simulator is an entire system, not just that but the cloud occludes light. The Cloud is also casts shadow and is also self shadowing. This is without even mentioning whether phenomenon (rain, rainbow, hurricane, storms, cloud types and formation, etc) and physics.

Cloud-to-cloud shadows are also a thing in Horizon now.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Cloud-to-cloud shadows are also a thing in Horizon now.

The next goalpost will move.

 

[Wind's Howling]

I think these improvements come to the base game on the PS5 as well.

Really? That would be great.

 

[TheRedRiders]

More cloud flying in this new clip.

I have always been speculating on how the SSD may influence new and innovative traversal mechanics in games, Guerilla wasted no time taking advantage. This is going to be so much fun!

 

[ChiefDada]

Its not close.

MS Flight Simulator is an entire system, not just that but the cloud occludes light. The Cloud is also casts shadow and is also self shadowing. This is without even mentioning whether phenomenon (rain, rainbow, hurricane, storms, cloud types and formation, etc) and physics.

Lol, this guy.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Lol, this guy.

Console gamers flying through the clouds in HFW:

Console gamers flying through the clouds in MFS:

 

[01011001]

Hell yea.

This is going to put 99% of the industry to complete shame visually.

not really, most devs could have implemented clouds like these easily but they tank performance and are useless in almost any game.

only Flight Sim and similar games where you are actively flying around and/or through clouds have any real use for this.

UE4 has had very good looking volumetric clouds for ages as well for example, and they run pretty well too.

this is also essentially exactly how the new smoke grenades in Cointer Strike 2 work... they're just bigger smoke grenades

 

[DenchDeckard]

That's some good looking clouds!

 

[ChiefDada]

not really, most devs could have implemented clouds like these easily but they tank performance and are useless in almost any game.

 

[Kvally]

MS Flight Simulator is an entire system, not just that but the cloud occludes light. The Cloud is also casts shadow and is also self shadowing. This is without even mentioning whether phenomenon (rain, rainbow, hurricane, storms, cloud types and formation, etc) and physics.

Holy shit. That's pretty damn sweet. But given Flight Sim is about flying in the sky with clouds for the entirety of the game, it makes sense to see this much focus on it. These new clouds in HFW are impressive for what it is especially for being DLC.

 

[Heisenberg007]

not really, most devs could have implemented clouds like these easily but they tank performance and are useless in almost any game.

So ... not easily?

 

[Drizzlehell]

Yeah that looks nice but I'd rather they work on improving their main character.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Absolutely gorgeous! Does it change how boring, monotonous, and by-the-numbers the gameplay is? Does it make Aloy into any less of a shrill, annoying, and bland character?

 

[01011001]

So ... not easily?

yes easily, but if they did they would need to dial back other things, meaning it isn't worth it.

if you don't fly through the clouds they aren't worth using.

 

[DeepEnigma]

yes easily, but if they did they would need to dial back other things, meaning it isn't worth it.

if you don't fly through the clouds they aren't worth using.

You're arguing yourself into a pretzel from what we know of how the game looks (even right now before the DLC PS5 only upgrades) and his original statement you quoted.

 

[01011001]

You're arguing yourself into a pretzel from what we know of how the game looks (even right now before the DLC PS5 only upgrades) and his original statement you quoted.

the original comment I quoted acted like this is some next level shit.
it's not.
that's all I really said...

 

[DeepEnigma]

the original comment I quoted acted like this is some next level shit.
it's not.
that's all I really said...

If other devs have to "scale back in other areas" or "run really poorly" to do so then yes, Guerilla and their engine tech is putting them on notice.

 

[Corndog]

https://blog.playstation.com/2023/0...uds-in-horizon-forbidden-west-burning-shores/

What level? Cirrus?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cloud_types

 

[Corndog]

I have the feeling it will be PC + Switch by the end of this gen.

Better hope not unless you like 100 dollar games.

 

[Valonquar]

So clouds are the new small puddles on pavement?

 

[PSYGN]

They can finally sorta do the Killzone clouds in their trailer

 

[Balducci30]

Love it