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What retro anime titles are long overdue for a blu-ray release in North America?


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That's funny I just rewatched that a couple weeks back. Felt they were wrong to give Maki a super high pitched child voice. =P

For runtime, the JP LD lists 45 minutes on the sleeve and runs slightly over 46, counting credits. The ADV 50 min runtime seems to just be including the post-credits "production portfolio" material. Should be slightly longer than 50 mins as the production stuff goes on for 7 minutes but I guess they just rounded down both that and the general runtime to get a"clean" number. Prob where all the discrepancies are coming from.
Seems like voice casting was a bit odd for some of the roles, I would agree.

I have never seen any of the spin-offs but from a biased perspective...they really don't look very good. Not sure how you could go from:

This:



To this... (Burn up! W)

 

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Seems like voice casting was a bit odd for some of the roles, I would agree.

I have never seen any of the spin-offs but from a biased perspective...they really don't look very good. Not sure how you could go from:

This:



To this... (Burn up! W)

Yeah all the Burn Ups after the OVA are a reboot with a diff cast and you can see major changes in popular visual style going from 91 to 96. Like Toshinari Yamashita giving them the design style he'd use on coomer stuff like Nurse Nanako. =P There was also Scramble in the 00s, which had the 96 designs updated to the sweatshop friendly animation style of the period.

I know I watched W at some point during the early dvd era but I legitimately can't remember a single thing except the first ep had some plot involving distracting terrorists with naked bungee jumping...and I only remember that, not due to the episode itself, but because of to a review in Gamefan magazine that shit on it. Not sure why my brain remembered that. =P

edit: Seems I still have that issue. $25 for a 30 min subbed tape. Ah the good ol days.
 
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Yeah all the Burn Ups after the OVA are a reboot with a diff cast and you can see major changes in popular visual style going from 91 to 96. Like Toshinari Yamashita giving them the design style he'd use on coomer stuff like Nurse Nanako. =P There was also Scramble in the 00s, which had the 96 designs updated to the sweatshop friendly animation style of the period.

I know I watched W at some point during the early dvd era but I legitimately can't remember a single thing except the first ep had some plot involving distracting terrorists with naked bungee jumping...and I only remember that, not due to the episode itself, but because of to a review in Gamefan magazine that shit on it. Not sure why my brain remembered that. =P

edit: Seems I still have that issue. $25 for a 30 min subbed tape. Ah the good ol days.
I was the cheapskate buying those $20 dubs. Surprisingly the only subbed anime I recall buying were: Eatman, Rei Rei: Missionary of Love ( don't post on that one here...wouldn't want to get thread locked), and Barefoot Gen.

So, was Burn Up W any good?

I too recall Gamefan having ads for upcoming anime VHS releases in it. It vaguely seems like I saw a promo for Oh My Goddess the OVA I there. I think my sister bought it and I recall it being painfully boring.
 
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Here's a question DGrayson DGrayson OmegaSupreme OmegaSupreme Space Runaway Space Runaway or anyone else frequently posting in this thread: was there ever an anime series, OVA, movie that was so boring...you couldn't finish it?

I was remembering what mine were. From the year 1999 - 2014, I spent hundreds on anime releases and sometimes bought anime without reading a single synopsis. For the sake only of collecting (until about 2008), I did very little research into all the titles I was buying. It wasn't only retro anime back then either. I owned some modern anime for those times (the 2000's) but never got into them like the classics. Now, buying without researching can lead to finding some treasures and some duds.

The two that stick with me as being the most boring that I'll admit to having never finished them were Shuten Doji (Go Nagai) and Birth (the 80's OVA).


Shuten Doji I recall buying on eBay under the title Demon Star and later buying the ADV release on DVD. I had the VHS around but never watched it. One day in 2009 while living in a shoebox-sized apartment during college -- I popped the DVD for Shuten Doji out and started watching. I'm not sure what it was about it (I tend to like Nagai anime adaptations) but I recall nothing interesting happening. Maybe it just wasn't my kinda story but I shut it off after about 20-minutes and sold it shortly after.

Birth (early U.S. VHS releases had some weird title for it like "The world of the Talisman")


Visually...it's interesting. But I'm not sure where it was going and with 40-minutes of the movie running with barely 2 lines of dialogue; I gave up. Don't get me wrong - I love strong visuals in animation which is why I boast about NeoTokyo all the time. But Birth simply didn't move me to complete watching the DVD. I still own the ADV release on DVD...but...it was one of a handful of anime titles that was not imported from my Illinois home to my Mexico home. So, it's there in case I ever change my mind...but I doubt that's going to happen.
 
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I was the cheapskate buying those $20 dubs. Surprisingly the only subbed anime I recall buying were: Eatman, Rei Rei: Missionary of Love ( don't post on that one here...wouldn't want to get thread locked), and Barefoot Gen.

So, was Burn Up W any good?

I too recall Gamefan having ads for upcoming anime VHS releases in it. It vaguely seems like I saw a promo for Oh My Goddess the OVA I there. I think my sister bought it and I recall it being painfully boring.
Couldn't say. Like I said, I cannot remember anything about W. I don't see myself rewatching it anytime this decade either. =P

For Gamefan, they started an anime review section in the mid 90s(?). It was their scathing review of Violence Jack that made me want to seek it out. They basically called it completely tasteless and for fans of dismemberment and rape. I was really into "forbidden" content at that age so I had to see what would cause that reaction.

For boring stuff I couldn't finish...there was Akai Hayate. It was a 4 episode OVA series and it wasn't awful or anything but I couldn't maintain interest past 2 episodes. I planned to finish it one day but it's been so long I'd have to start over and I don't want to do that...

I usually make sure to finish stuff that I start though there's been many I had to force myself to finish. Like what was that Obari series, Platinum Ordian? After a few episodes I just wanted it to be over.
 
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Couldn't say. Like I said, I cannot remember anything about W. I don't see myself rewatching it anytime this decade either. =P

For Gamefan, they started an anime review section in the mid 90s(?). It was their scathing review of Violence Jack that made me want to seek it out. They basically called it completely tasteless and for fans of dismemberment and rape. I was really into "forbidden" content at that age so I had to see what would cause that reaction.

For boring stuff I couldn't finish...there was Akai Hayate. It was a 4 episode OVA series and it wasn't awful or anything but I couldn't maintain interest past 2 episodes. I planned to finish it one day but it's been so long I'd have to start over and I don't want to do that...

I usually make sure to finish stuff that I start though there's been many I had to force myself to finish. Like what was that Obari series, Platinum Ordian? After a few episodes I just wanted it to be over.
You mentioned the review on Violence Jack and that reminded me of how I was introduced to M.D. Geist, Cybernetics Guardian, and Genocyber. I remember someone giving a condemning review with added commentary on Genocyber in particular. It sparked my curiosity that something like that had caused such an appalling reaction toward Western viewers and only made me think, "it's animation -- it can't be that graphic." I can't say there was anything thrilling about the story in Genocyber and the gore was nothing short of extreme. However, I still didn't feel like it was a piece of garbage like reviewers had posted. They said the same of Baoh, Violence Jack, and I vaguely recall someone slamming the environment of the Devil Man OVA (back then - no one seemed to be pointing out the slightly embarrassing dialogue in the English version). Don't get me started on how much I ignore most negative reviews. I draw my own opinions. I've mentioned this before but with 'Big War's' I recall two anime sites giving it a 1-star review and mocking the English title of the anime more than going into depth as to why it was a 1-star anime movie. I ended up buying it and enjoyed it. Yes, it had more potential that could have been explored but I doubt the studio backing it had the resources to extend runtime and go much more in-depth. The final product I could give a 3.5 out of 5 without bias for a rating but seeing 1-star reviews fly out sometimes makes me ask myself if they didn't sit down with these titles having a certain expectation that no matter what...wasn't going to be met by what they saw.

Akai Hayate...forgot about that one. I recall seeing an episode of it when it popped up on VEOH back in 2008 but I don't recall continuing beyond that likely due to the fact that other episodes had not been uploaded.

Speaking of a boring title (again, I may be repeating myself). In the summer of 2008, I was between jobs and went to VEOH to find uploads of 80's-90's anime OVAs which were either ripped from VHS or directly from a Japanese composite with fan subs. There was this one 90's anime that I ended up downloading the 2 episodes listed...Ninja Cadets was the name. It was a turd. It seems like the writers really tried everything to make witty characters to go on some sort of quest. Anyway, I DID watch the full two episodes as I figured it was going to pick up at some point and get better (some OVAs/series start off slow). It never did.

I'll also throw two more in here which I never finished as the stories were just dragging too much: Knights of Ramune (so awful that it doesn't even exist in several large anime databases). Knights of Ramune embodies everything you could imagine from something late-90's screaming for attention via fan service. Yet for being only 6-episodes, the extreme ecchi environment does nothing to convince an audience to continue watch as the episodes dragged on like a half-dead cat. Weathering Continent we've discussed already but --- it's one that I never finished for the same reasons. It was just too bloody slow and it seemed like the story wasn't going anywhere.

Closing...

This WordPress review by some random idiot gives an idea of how a 2000's anime weeb takes on Genocyber (inserts weird juvenile girls into scenes to "take the edge off"...gross) and makes the inaccurate statement, "If you want more 1990s anime bullshit crap, I recommend you City Hunter, another one of my all time favourite anime from the 1990s." Sounds like someone did their research. The first City Hunter series' that started airing in the 1980's...not the 1990's.

 
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Outlaw Star killed my interest in anime for years. I just hated it.
I'm not going to comment too much on a series I had never watched initially. However, I can empathize with certain anime series' souring my experience of anime.

Outlaw Star was running on Toonami back in 2000. At that time, I was setting VCR timers to record the shows I wanted to see but skipping others based on the vague promotion Toonami gave to them that year. I skipped Outlaw Star but it's been like 21-years and I don't remember why I skipped recording it. The blu-ray is still well in print for those looking to buy it but it might help kunonabi kunonabi if you provided some context as to why you didn't like it. And I'll be honest, I mentioned in early threads that Neon Genesis Evangelion, DBZ, and certain other titles to me were tasteless regardless of what state the writers/directors were in when they presented them. It was a personal opinion which I encourage anyone share here. Trust me, I have enjoyed some pretty tasteless anime titles and still do.

What I can say DID kill my interest in anime for quite some time was the shift anime took in terms of overall story, production, process, and theory around 2005 - beyond. This was the generation of anime that sowed Naruto, Bleach, Wolf's Rain, and many others. I took the extra step of buying these titles by season on DVD and watching them without bias (also assuming anime had not changed much from the 1990's). I was wrong...and I felt that the future of anime was reason to just stop watching altogether.

However, I did end up changing my mind and returning back to classic titles only. Upon realizing that there was an enormous library of anime from the past which to this day I've yet to uncover; I realized that the future of anime is in it's past. I love to hear that there are fans of newer anime out there because it gives me hope that if they like what's running popular now...they'll have that one friend who shows them what was going on over 20-years ago and LOVE it.
 

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I'm not going to comment too much on a series I had never watched initially. However, I can empathize with certain anime series' souring my experience of anime.

Outlaw Star was running on Toonami back in 2000. At that time, I was setting VCR timers to record the shows I wanted to see but skipping others based on the vague promotion Toonami gave to them that year. I skipped Outlaw Star but it's been like 21-years and I don't remember why I skipped recording it. The blu-ray is still well in print for those looking to buy it but it might help kunonabi kunonabi if you provided some context as to why you didn't like it. And I'll be honest, I mentioned in early threads that Neon Genesis Evangelion, DBZ, and certain other titles to me were tasteless regardless of what state the writers/directors were in when they presented them. It was a personal opinion which I encourage anyone share here. Trust me, I have enjoyed some pretty tasteless anime titles and still do.

What I can say DID kill my interest in anime for quite some time was the shift anime took in terms of overall story, production, process, and theory around 2005 - beyond. This was the generation of anime that sowed Naruto, Bleach, Wolf's Rain, and many others. I took the extra step of buying these titles by season on DVD and watching them without bias (also assuming anime had not changed much from the 1990's). I was wrong...and I felt that the future of anime was reason to just stop watching altogether.

However, I did end up changing my mind and returning back to classic titles only. Upon realizing that there was an enormous library of anime from the past which to this day I've yet to uncover; I realized that the future of anime is in it's past. I love to hear that there are fans of newer anime out there because it gives me hope that if they like what's running popular now...they'll have that one friend who shows them what was going on over 20-years ago and LOVE it.
I just found it mind-numbingly generic like it was just following a set of bullet points of what makes a good anime. It worked though because everybody else kept talking about it like some masterpiece. I just found most of the mainstream stuff getting traction in the states from that period to be pretty poor so I bailed for awhile.
 
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I just found it mind-numbingly generic like it was just following a set of bullet points of what makes a good anime. It worked though because everybody else kept talking about it like some masterpiece. I just found of most of the mainstream stuff getting traction in the states from that period to be pretty poor so I bailed for awhile.


It was definitely not any sort of masterpiece but I did enjoy it a lot at the time. I bought the DVD set and watched them all that way. Only saw them once though.
 
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You mentioned the review on Violence Jack and that reminded me of how I was introduced to M.D. Geist, Cybernetics Guardian, and Genocyber. I remember someone giving a condemning review with added commentary on Genocyber in particular. It sparked my curiosity that something like that had caused such an appalling reaction toward Western viewers and only made me think, "it's animation -- it can't be that graphic." I can't say there was anything thrilling about the story in Genocyber and the gore was nothing short of extreme. However, I still didn't feel like it was a piece of garbage like reviewers had posted. They said the same of Baoh, Violence Jack, and I vaguely recall someone slamming the environment of the Devil Man OVA (back then - no one seemed to be pointing out the slightly embarrassing dialogue in the English version). Don't get me started on how much I ignore most negative reviews. I draw my own opinions. I've mentioned this before but with 'Big War's' I recall two anime sites giving it a 1-star review and mocking the English title of the anime more than going into depth as to why it was a 1-star anime movie. I ended up buying it and enjoyed it. Yes, it had more potential that could have been explored but I doubt the studio backing it had the resources to extend runtime and go much more in-depth. The final product I could give a 3.5 out of 5 without bias for a rating but seeing 1-star reviews fly out sometimes makes me ask myself if they didn't sit down with these titles having a certain expectation that no matter what...wasn't going to be met by what they saw.

Though if I am to be fair, Violence Jack, MD Geist, Genocyber, and such all do fall into the trashy b-movie genre and a lot of people just don't like that type of content. It's like trying to make your average person watch a Troma movie. Most just find it tasteless and unwatchable, regardless of intent. Obviously I enjoy that stuff (Provided it's not boring. Trashy is fine but boring trash is brutal). Like I'd watch MD Geist in the same mindset I'd watch something like say, Van Damme's Cyborg. :messenger_poop:

Anime reviews are something I stopped paying attention to forever ago. It became clear I generally just don't share the same interest or wants of the people who hold review positions and although one can't blindly judge quality, once you've seen enough of this stuff it is easy to discern what's worth taking a chance on versus what isn't.

Speaking of a boring title (again, I may be repeating myself). In the summer of 2008, I was between jobs and went to VEOH to find uploads of 80's-90's anime OVAs which were either ripped from VHS or directly from a Japanese composite with fan subs. There was this one 90's anime that I ended up downloading the 2 episodes listed...Ninja Cadets was the name. It was a turd. It seems like the writers really tried everything to make witty characters to go on some sort of quest. Anyway, I DID watch the full two episodes as I figured it was going to pick up at some point and get better (some OVAs/series start off slow). It never did.

I'll also throw two more in here which I never finished as the stories were just dragging too much: Knights of Ramune (so awful that it doesn't even exist in several large anime databases). Knights of Ramune embodies everything you could imagine from something late-90's screaming for attention via fan service. Yet for being only 6-episodes, the extreme ecchi environment does nothing to convince an audience to continue watch as the episodes dragged on like a half-dead cat. Weathering Continent we've discussed already but --- it's one that I never finished for the same reasons. It was just too bloody slow and it seemed like the story wasn't going anywhere.

Yeah Ninja Cadets was one of those dime a dozen releases you'd see at the video store. It's funny you brought up both that and Knights of Ramune as the director/creator of Ninja Cadets did all the character designs for Ramune(And Maze which you've brought up a few times. He's also currently directing Lupin part 6 which is still airing). Though Ramune isn't (Or wasn't) obscure as it has two television series and 3 OVA series. I believe the one you saw is the final OVA series before they pulled the plug. I never watched any of those so I've no idea of their quality, or lack thereof. =P
 
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Some Newtype scans of Sunrise mecha properties:


And some gratuitous merch/toy adverts


Also an advert for the Japanese release of Spiral Zone, which came out a good 3 years after the show bombed in the US. Property had a sort of "roundabout" cycle, starting as a very cool Japanese Bandai toyline that was licensed by Tonka and remade into a short lived US TV show (With new yet inferior versions of the toys due to manufacturing costs) which then was imported back to Japan for a TV and VHS release. Show wasn't very good (Plus you're in trouble when you let Akom handle the animation) and probably looked really sloppy and outdated by the time Japan got it. =P

 
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I just found it mind-numbingly generic like it was just following a set of bullet points of what makes a good anime. It worked though because everybody else kept talking about it like some masterpiece. I just found most of the mainstream stuff getting traction in the states from that period to be pretty poor so I bailed for awhile.
kunonabi kunonabi Great to hear that you're taking advantage of picking up some of the amazing new titles from Discotek for this Christmas season. Feel free to share that here after you receive some of those titles or have a commentary on any in particular.

Regarding your perspective on Outlaw Star, I can empathize with that but not specifically with Outlaw Star but moreso the push of certain mainstream anime titles which seemed to be on top commercially (talking when anime started getting big in the West) -- didn't all deserve that acclaim. That's in part of a controversy till this day too. If someone comes into a large Western anime circle and states their dislike for AoT, One Piece, My Hero Academia, etc...they'd be cast out from anime circles. This sort of melds into something that Space Runaway Space Runaway mentioned regarding anime reviews below which I'd like to quote in a similar context to mainline anime titles which may not have been that great (this reflects back on us personally as the viewers): "

Anime reviews are something I stopped paying attention to forever ago. It became clear I generally just don't share the same interest or wants of the people who hold review positions and although one can't blindly judge quality, once you've seen enough of this stuff it is easy to discern what's worth taking a chance on versus what isn't."


Same deal with myself. My interests in classic anime tend to sometimes conflict with those in larger communities due to my particular tastes too. To put some context into that without having to look back through the nearly 30-pages of this thread. If someone asked me to go to a private theatrical showing of Akira versus GoShogun: Time Etranger -- I'm going to go with GoShogun: Time Etranger. I've watched and owned Akira multiple times and just never have been a fan of the story. It's one of those movies like Venus Wars that has incredible animation but the story to me just didn't seem that great. It never led me to take a hiatus from anime but I've warned people to not to recommend those titles to me as I do tend to have a strong opinion.

Though if I am to be fair, Violence Jack, MD Geist, Genocyber, and such all do fall into the trashy b-movie genre and a lot of people just don't like that type of content. It's like trying to make your average person watch a Troma movie. Most just find it tasteless and unwatchable, regardless of intent. Obviously I enjoy that stuff (Provided it's not boring. Trashy is fine but boring trash is brutal). Like I'd watch MD Geist in the same mindset I'd watch something like say, Van Damme's Cyborg. :messenger_poop:

Anime reviews are something I stopped paying attention to forever ago. It became clear I generally just don't share the same interest or wants of the people who hold review positions and although one can't blindly judge quality, once you've seen enough of this stuff it is easy to discern what's worth taking a chance on versus what isn't.



Yeah Ninja Cadets was one of those dime a dozen releases you'd see at the video store. It's funny you brought up both that and Knights of Ramune as the director/creator of Ninja Cadets did all the character designs for Ramune(And Maze which you've brought up a few times. He's also currently directing Lupin part 6 which is still airing). Though Ramune isn't (Or wasn't) obscure as it has two television series and 3 OVA series. I believe the one you saw is the final OVA series before they pulled the plug. I never watched any of those so I've no idea of their quality, or lack thereof. =P
Not sure how the director/creator of Ninja Cadets and Ramune was trusted with Lupin part 6. What role was he hired for with them.

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And some gratuitous merch/toy adverts



Also an advert for the Japanese release of Spiral Zone, which came out a good 3 years after the show bombed in the US. Property had a sort of "roundabout" cycle, starting as a very cool Japanese Bandai toyline that was licensed by Tonka and remade into a short lived US TV show (With new yet inferior versions of the toys due to manufacturing costs) which then was imported back to Japan for a TV and VHS release. Show wasn't very good (Plus you're in trouble when you let Akom handle the animation) and probably looked really sloppy and outdated by the time Japan got it. =P
 

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Not sure how the director/creator of Ninja Cadets and Ramune was trusted with Lupin part 6. What role was he hired for with them.

He's the series director. He's mainly an talented animator and has only done a handful of directorial work throughout his career. He was a second unit director on the Lupin Prisoner of the Past tv special, so I guess they felt he was qualified to helm part 6.
 
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kunonabi kunonabi Great to hear that you're taking advantage of picking up some of the amazing new titles from Discotek for this Christmas season. Feel free to share that here after you receive some of those titles or have a commentary on any in particular.

Regarding your perspective on Outlaw Star, I can empathize with that but not specifically with Outlaw Star but moreso the push of certain mainstream anime titles which seemed to be on top commercially (talking when anime started getting big in the West) -- didn't all deserve that acclaim. That's in part of a controversy till this day too. If someone comes into a large Western anime circle and states their dislike for AoT, One Piece, My Hero Academia, etc...they'd be cast out from anime circles. This sort of melds into something that Space Runaway Space Runaway mentioned regarding anime reviews below which I'd like to quote in a similar context to mainline anime titles which may not have been that great (this reflects back on us personally as the viewers): "

Anime reviews are something I stopped paying attention to forever ago. It became clear I generally just don't share the same interest or wants of the people who hold review positions and although one can't blindly judge quality, once you've seen enough of this stuff it is easy to discern what's worth taking a chance on versus what isn't."


Same deal with myself. My interests in classic anime tend to sometimes conflict with those in larger communities due to my particular tastes too. To put some context into that without having to look back through the nearly 30-pages of this thread. If someone asked me to go to a private theatrical showing of Akira versus GoShogun: Time Etranger -- I'm going to go with GoShogun: Time Etranger. I've watched and owned Akira multiple times and just never have been a fan of the story. It's one of those movies like Venus Wars that has incredible animation but the story to me just didn't seem that great. It never led me to take a hiatus from anime but I've warned people to not to recommend those titles to me as I do tend to have a strong opinion.


Not sure how the director/creator of Ninja Cadets and Ramune was trusted with Lupin part 6. What role was he hired for with them.
He's the series director. He's mainly an talented animator and has only done a handful of directorial work throughout his career. He was a second unit director on the Lupin Prisoner of the Past tv special, so I guess they felt he was qualified to helm part 6.
Glad to see they picked a quality tenured professional to pick that series director job up🙄 Meanwhile, you've got legends like Kawajiri working on storyboarding.

Regarding that merchandising - quite amazing that so many items were produced and to think most series creators never saw a penny of that or even knew about the products. Same deal with American animators.

With Spiral Zone, do you think it may also have been the time in which the series was introduced?. It seemed like American audiences were bored of new action series at that time as so many were pushed out in the 80's. I recall action series having to adopt a semi-comedic routine to hold up on a network in the early 90's. So, I get why Americans weren't having that at the time.
 
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Glad to see they picked a quality tenured professional to pick that series director job up🙄 Meanwhile, you've got legends like Kawajiri working on storyboarding.

Regarding that merchandising - quite amazing that so many items were produced and to think most series creators never saw a penny of that or even knew about the products. Same deal with American animators.

With Spiral Zone, do you think it may also have been the time in which the series was introduced?. It seemed like American audiences were bored of new action series at that time as so many were pushed out in the 80's. I recall action series having to adopt a semi-comedic routine to hold up on a network in the early 90's. So, I get why Americans weren't having that at the time.
There's so much more Gundam merch than that it's not even funny. Gunpla in particular is constantly being churned out.

For Spiral Zone, 87 was definitely a glut year where these cartoons and their store product were hitting critical mass(They were also about to become too expensive to produce due to the dollar/yen exchange crash, which led to Japan getting dumped/bypassed in favor of cheaper Korean studios). It didn't go the comedy route at all but it definitely got lost in the suffle along with stuff like Visionaries, Dinosaucers and Starcom. That said though, although the cocnept was cool it wasn't really a good show, even by the standards of the time. Plus it didn't seem to see much syndicated airings due to it's lack of popularity. The toys themselves were cool but that was a hard market to crack at that point too.
 
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There's so much more Gundam merch than that it's not even funny. Gunpla in particular is constantly being churned out.

For Spiral Zone, 87 was definitely a glut year where these cartoons and their store product were hitting critical mass(They were also about to become too expensive to produce due to the dollar/yen exchange crash, which led to Japan getting dumped/bypassed in favor of cheaper Korean studios). It didn't go the comedy route at all but it definitely got lost in the suffle along with stuff like Visionaries, Dinosaucers and Starcom. That said though, although the cocnept was cool it wasn't really a good show, even by the standards of the time. Plus it didn't seem to see much syndicated airings due to it's lack of popularity. The toys themselves were cool but that was a hard market to crack at that point too.
It is a good historical benchmark in documenting how merchandising was handled when Japan was in the bubble economy. I like PVC figures of today but most are made in China. Still, a lot have been hand painted and aren't that bad. There's just a lack of variety. When I picked up my Lupin figures, I wanted red jacket Lupin but only Green was being produced at that time.

Aside from a few set items, I never got big into collecting anime figures. I'm kinda glad I didn't as I've seen collections go up for sale and not budge a bit sales wise. I no longer resell my anime collection though. Hard lessons were learned after selling some now hard-to-find oop titles. I recall selling a Lupin movies box set back in 2012 for $40 and a week later seeing the store slap a $90 price tag on it.
 
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It is a good historical benchmark in documenting how merchandising was handled when Japan was in the bubble economy. I like PVC figures of today but most are made in China. Still, a lot have been hand painted and aren't that bad. There's just a lack of variety. When I picked up my Lupin figures, I wanted red jacket Lupin but only Green was being produced at that time.

Aside from a few set items, I never got big into collecting anime figures. I'm kinda glad I didn't as I've seen collections go up for sale and not budge a bit sales wise. I no longer resell my anime collection though. Hard lessons were learned after selling some now hard-to-find oop titles. I recall selling a Lupin movies box set back in 2012 for $40 and a week later seeing the store slap a $90 price tag on it.
Yeah I used to pick up some figures like the Yamato/Arcadia Macross valkyries, Figuarts or the Figma Guyvers and stuff like that but figure prices have risen to more than I feel they're worth. Plus they take up so much room and if they have really nice boxes I'm always inclined to keep those, which are a big waste of space. =P

I did also get into Gunpla a few years ago. Started when I had fun building a VOTOMS Scopedog which led me checking out modern Gundam kits. Though there were only maybe a dozen Gundam mecha I liked enough to want to build and the prices on those started to skyrocket not long after I got into it. Stuff that was $30 is currently selling for $80 and I'm not willing to play like $200 just to build a Rick Dias. =P Personally it's all for the better though as it was all taking up too much space and I have enough trouble storing all my videogames and movies. First (For now) world problems.
 
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Yeah I used to pick up some figures like the Yamato/Arcadia Macross valkyries, Figuarts or the Figma Guyvers and stuff like that but figure prices have risen to more than I feel they're worth. Plus they take up so much room and if they have really nice boxes I'm always inclined to keep those, which are a big waste of space. =P

I did also get into Gunpla a few years ago. Started when I had fun building a VOTOMS Scopedog which led me checking out modern Gundam kits. Though there were only maybe a dozen Gundam mecha I liked enough to want to build and the prices on those started to skyrocket not long after I got into it. Stuff that was $30 is currently selling for $80 and I'm not willing to play like $200 just to build a Rick Dias. =P Personally it's all for the better though as it was all taking up too much space and I have enough trouble storing all my videogames and movies. First (For now) world problems.
Sounds cool and feel free to share pictures here of those you did collect. I'll admit that there are a few figures I wanted to pick up but just grew out of it as I entered my 30's. Last one I bought was a figure of Cutey Honey doing a back flip. Chinese too but I forget the manufacturer.

On the topic of our big movie and game collections. Mine isn't huge on anime but I'd be happy to share photos of the physical collection around 100 titles or more. If you posted the sleeves of your collection alone, I could eyeball it and attempt to identify the full inventory. Just had me thinking that no one here's ever shared photos of their collection.
 
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Yeah, I got priced out of scale figures sometime back. I mostly switched to just buying Kotobukiya Bishoujo stuff and figma/figuarts. Figma has started releasing less and less stuff of interest though and I'm getting fed up with Figuarts due their exclusive BS and them pretty much only making Mandalorian stuff as far as Star Wars goes. I've ramped up the blu-ray buying so most of my money goes there although I'm starting to get suckered into a couple of Super7's Ultimate lines much to my dismay.

My brother is big into Gunpla these days though.
 

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Sounds cool and feel free to share pictures here of those you did collect. I'll admit that there are a few figures I wanted to pick up but just grew out of it as I entered my 30's. Last one I bought was a figure of Cutey Honey doing a back flip. Chinese too but I forget the manufacturer.

On the topic of our big movie and game collections. Mine isn't huge on anime but I'd be happy to share photos of the physical collection around 100 titles or more. If you posted the sleeves of your collection alone, I could eyeball it and attempt to identify the full inventory. Just had me thinking that no one here's ever shared photos of their collection.

My movies and figures on are shelves and I don't want to post those as I don't want any chance of my "real life" being identified (Not on this forum anyway). =P If you really want I can photo my anime blurays at some point since most of those recent purchases are in a literal stack against a wall... :lollipop_grinning_sweat:

Yeah, I got priced out of scale figures sometime back. I mostly switched to just buying Kotobukiya Bishoujo stuff and figma/figuarts. Figma has started releasing less and less stuff of interest though and I'm getting fed up with Figuarts due their exclusive BS and them pretty much only making Mandalorian stuff as far as Star Wars goes. I've ramped up the blu-ray buying so most of my money goes there although I'm starting to get suckered into a couple of Super7's Ultimate lines much to my dismay.

My brother is big into Gunpla these days though.

Not anime but I've been eyeing those Ultimate G.I. Joes Super7 has up for pre-order. I don't like the scale but no one has done toon accurate versions before and they look good in the publicity photos...but Super7's rep is pretty questionable so I'm not sure if I should take a chance.
 
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My movies and figures on are shelves and I don't want to post those as I don't want any chance of my "real life" being identified (Not on this forum anyway). =P If you really want I can photo my anime blurays at some point since most of those recent purchases are in a literal stack against a wall... :lollipop_grinning_sweat:



Not anime but I've been eyeing those Ultimate G.I. Joes Super7 has up for pre-order. I don't like the scale but no one has done toon accurate versions before and they look good in the publicity photos...but Super7's rep is pretty questionable so I'm not sure if I should take a chance.
Yeah, I didn't care for for how they handled the He-Man lines and the She-Ra figure I have doesn't stand well at all. But cartoon style G. I. Joe's have been something I've really wanted too. I've also wanted to get some sort of power ranger line collection but I don't want Hasbros junk and the Japanese stuff is a little scattershot for me. The real tipping point for me is Silverhawks though. Whenever my dad used to go on trips for work he would bring me back a Silverhawks toy so I can't skip a new line to sort of stand in for them since I lost my originals when we moved.
 
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Outside a few ReAction figures, Super7 hasn't done much to really interest me, particularly in their higher-end lines. The newer Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are tempting, but my feeling is I can't own just one turtle, while also being unable to bring myself to spend $200+ on all four of them.

In a more general sense, it's unfortunate how the whole plastic market has essentially converged around two, extreme poles: cheap junk and high-priced collectables aimed at adults (and sometimes teens). I probably wouldn't even mind so much, except too often the money spent on collectable toys & figures doesn't match the end quality. Of course, my view is the difference between people who casually purchase the occasional product and those who actively collect and tolerate lackluster plastic, bad joints, poor paint jobs, and awkward construction.

The real tipping point for me is Silverhawks though.
Admittedly, I wasn't a Silverhawks devotee and this isn't in any way a novel comment, but the lack of chromium completely kills any interest I could ever have in Super7's figures. There's also the cynical thought of wondering, if the initial lines sell, will the company return with higher-priced, chromium variants?

More generally, again, I wish we'd see the return of chromium for higher-end toys. I get not wanting to give the stuff to kids and both the factors of cost and manufacturing options, but too often metallic paint just doesn't provide the same impact, especially for accent pieces.
 
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Im fine without the chromium although I do want them to just shut up and show off this "amazing" new paint they've supposedly cooked up.
I haven't followed the release enough to have read about "amazing" paint applications. Hopefully they do give fans something cool. Going by the prototype images, I was disappointed by the hawks' body paint not even being metallic (though that has its own issues).
 
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Yeah the owner of Super7 claimed they weren't going full vac metal because of issues it causes with the articulation and construction of said articulation. I've heard people refute this but I've no knowledge on such. The general articulation of Super7's stuff seems somewhat outdated to begin with but eh...=/

And like kunonabi I am curious to see this more metallic-ish paint they're supposedly planning to use, which isn't on any of the renders.
 

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Not having a dog in this race, I'm more than willing to believe claims the chrome application would cause issues with articulation and construction. I'm also sure one can find some other toy or source to completely contradict this notion. All I do know is Silverhawks for me will always be shiny-chrome toys, rather than the actual show that inspired them. Similar to what I wrote prior, for the price, I just hope Super7 gives people something cool, since the mock-up images are pretty drab, even if more cartoon accurate.