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[KungFucius]

Reminds me of when I bought a Wii. I turned up at Walmart and ended up being 32 of 30. Hung out on the hope that at least 2 people would have their card declined and only one did. Went home and started browsing eBay and the scalpers were doing their thing. Found a listing where someone listed a console as a 3 day auction in an unrelated toy category with the starting price at retail with free shipping and no reserve. I put in a bid and nobody else bid on it at all. Ended up getting it for less than the person who listed it paid because they had to eat the sales tax. They actually sent it instead of trying to cancel and relist. Was pretty cool.

I got a Wii like that too. Well not a different category, but a bad ending time and it included Zelda. Got it for a smidge over MSRP but ebay didn't force sales tax back then so it worked out about even. Of course the scalper lost over 10%.

Ebay charges 12.9% on most items plus there is shipping and the fact that the buyer can always force a return within 30 days. This makes scalping expensive GPUs risky and stupid. There is still demand for 4090s but they need to sell for over 1900 with buyer paid shipping to break even ( 1800 for base MSRP in 0 sales tax states). People who scalp are risking 1600 + tax at a minimum to make 100-300 bucks. Risk free that is reasonable, but with the obvious risks it is stupid.

 

[KungFucius]

They're only half as dumb as you're giving them credit for. Crypto or not, the demand is there, 4090 has sold every single unit produced within a matter of seconds since launch and remains perpetually sold out with scalpers typically pocketing several hundred profit from every flip. The problem with the 4080 is it's significantly inferior to the 4090 (literally half as powerful in some particularly demanding titles), but only $50 - $300 less expensive (which in the $1200+ market, is absolutely meaningless). You can quote me from like 3 or 4 months back 100% calling this scenario in multiple threads across several posts, it was clear as 4K the 4090 was going to see massive demand and long term instant sellouts while the 4080 would be rotting on shelves. They're both targeting the same customer at current pricing (ultra high end), and no one with a semi-functional brain is going to pay $1300 or $1400 for a card that pulls half the frames of a $1600 one. The 4080 will have to get a $400-$500 price cut to see any kind of long term customer demand.

Doesn't this make Nvidia twice as dumb? They put out a high end card at ultra high end prices and made too many of them, while also failing to come anywhere close to meeting the demand for 4090s. They now have an inventory glut for 4080s on top of the glut of 3000 series, and they have left 1000s miserable as they try to get a rare 4090. They have misread the demand and price sensitivity of the overall market and they look like fools. The prices of the 4080, the "4080" 12GB and the supply of 4090 has not made their customers very happy either.

 

[dave_d]

So funny how these retards don't realise why their items they try to sell off for profit have gone up or tanked down in value.

Given that most people, including many on this board, think price is objective when it's subjective this should be no surprise. (No, just because it's not worth that price to you doesn't mean other people agree. Price is effectively an agree between buyers and sellers.) IE way too many people think price controls such as price ceilings are good ideas. (Economists largely agree they don't work.)

 

[Warnen]

Fuck scalper but after using a 4080 on my brother rig it’s a beast of a card. Guess the maybe $100 or 2 off would be killer.

 

[Azzurri]

If only this was for the 4090.

 

[Danknugz]

Actually if people got some kind of weird gpu shortage ptsd that would kind of make sense. A gpu being sold out triggers something and when you get a chance it feels like some huge opportunity or prize.

i think this phenomenon is due to people being traumatized from the 3000 series debacle where if you didn't score at launch you were doomed to 3 years of scalper pricing and never back down to MSRP.

 

[poppabk]

Doesn't this make Nvidia twice as dumb? They put out a high end card at ultra high end prices and made too many of them, while also failing to come anywhere close to meeting the demand for 4090s. They now have an inventory glut for 4080s on top of the glut of 3000 series, and they have left 1000s miserable as they try to get a rare 4090. They have misread the demand and price sensitivity of the overall market and they look like fools. The prices of the 4080, the "4080" 12GB and the supply of 4090 has not made their customers very happy either.

I'm pretty sure the 4080 only exists at this price point to make the 3000 series cards more attractive, while simultaneously making the 4090 seem reasonably priced. I don't think it was ever supposed to be a popular card at this price point.

 

[Umbasaborne]

Lol Get fuuuuuucked!!

 

[Black_Stride]

Fuck scalper but after using a 4080 on my brother rig it’s a beast of a card. Guess the maybe $100 or 2 off would be killer.

I dont think anyone denys it is a good product.
It just has a shitty price.

At most it should be 900 dollars for OC AIB, realistically it should be 800 dollars for reference cards.
I think more people are willing to wait it out and NOT pay over 1200 dollars for an xx80 card.

 

[Larogue]

 

[Sgt.Asher]

Chasing trends a generation late

 

[poodaddy]

This schadenfreude goes down smooth and has a great after taste.

 

[Bboy AJ]

Good! Now where are my 4090 FEs?

 

[SmokedMeat]

No, PayPal doesn't handle payouts anymore, ebay does that nowadays, you can still use PayPal to pay for things on ebay however. But there aren't any PayPal fees...

Are you sure about the No Paypal fees? I know the last item I sold hit me with them, but that was probably a year ago.

 

[njean777]

IDK why anybody is buying either of these cards, the 4090 melts adapters, and possibly a fire hazard. The 4080 is overpriced. Just get a 3000 series card and either wait for Nividia to stop being assholes, or wait for the AMD 7000 series and see how they perform.

 

[waquzy]

Are you sure about the No Paypal fees? I know the last item I sold hit me with them, but that was probably a year ago.

100%

 

[ACESHIGH]

Folks, stay strong and don't buy jack shit. We need the market back to normal.

 

[Admerer]

IDK why anybody is buying either of these cards, the 4090 melts adapters, and possibly a fire hazard. The 4080 is overpriced. Just get a 3000 series card and either wait for Nividia to stop being assholes, or wait for the AMD 7000 series and see how they perform.

Anytime, someone says get a 3000 series card, I can't help but wonder if they don't realize that's part of Nvidia's plan?

 

[Haint]

Doesn't this make Nvidia twice as dumb? They put out a high end card at ultra high end prices and made too many of them, while also failing to come anywhere close to meeting the demand for 4090s. They now have an inventory glut for 4080s on top of the glut of 3000 series, and they have left 1000s miserable as they try to get a rare 4090. They have misread the demand and price sensitivity of the overall market and they look like fools. The prices of the 4080, the "4080" 12GB and the supply of 4090 has not made their customers very happy either.

There is no glut of high end 3000s (3080 and higher), take a look Egg and Amazon filtered by first party seller, they're all gone. 1 or 2 SKUs available at best. There never was a glut, it was horseshit made up by click bait peddlers. I've long questioned many times why they're seemingly intentionally underproducing 4090 (a 200% margin product), and I can't come up with a logical answer. Best guess is that they're shifting most of their capacity to business Quadro cards. They probably don't have a surplus of 4080s either, they're just that undesirable. They'll dramatically cut production and eventually sell thru what they have. It's priced where it is out of pure unabashed greed, a market litmus test to see what they can get by with. They've learned people will happily pay over 2 grand for uncontested top tier performance, but the second tier cards have to be significantly cheaper.

 

[grfunkulus]

No, PayPal doesn't handle payouts anymore, ebay does that nowadays, you can still use PayPal to pay for things on ebay however. But there aren't any PayPal fees...

Yeah but ebay just takes more now. They restructured their fee system and IT'S borderline parasitic. They takes such a huge cut for providing such a mediocre product. Surprised they're still in business when there are so many competitors now.

Not to mention getting a 1099 from the IRS because eBay reports annual sales of more than $700. PayPal does this too so they're shit as well. Venmo won't unless the buyer selects whatever option it has that indicates you're paying for goods/services. Sellers could probably get away with it their but if the govt was to look at your receipts history and sees you're actually a reseller or selling services, you could be boned. Local sale or Zelle is really the way to go now, sadly. Fucking stupid that because corporations won't pay their fair share, little folks that do a little hustling on the side get boned.

 

[Sleepwalker]

You lose all the hands you never play.

Hahaha a guy I knew in college did this with xbox ones on release. He ended up losing quite a bit.

 

[RoadHazard]

Rekt.

 

[SportsFan581]

Hahaha a guy I knew in college did this with xbox ones on release. He ended up losing quite a bit.

How the hell did that happen? System matched PS sales and was consistently sold out for the first month, flippers should have been fine at launch. Those that went back and double dipped a month or two later maybe not as much.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

How the hell did that happen? System matched PS sales and was consistently sold out for the first month, flippers should have been fine at launch. Those that went back and double dipped a month or two later maybe not as much.

The Xbox one did not sell out very fast. It did sell all its stock, but you could see units on shelves from time to time, you had hours instead of minutes to buy them, and you may just be lucky, even without a reservation.

Case in point, early in 2014 MS had to heavily discount the units in store with multiple pack in games, while keeping the original MSRP... In some cases the console was practically free (3/4 games are worth about the same as the console would be worth by itself).

Ps4 was selling out for months all the way to May 2014 or so in many places (I was lucky enough to get mine at launch).

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Hope some of those fuckers end up not being able to heat or feed themselves this Christmas

Imagine being this deranged over some guy out there pricing you out of completely unnecessary 1st world ultra luxury items LMFAO

 

[Orta]

Imagine being this deranged over some guy out there pricing you out of completely unnecessary 1st world ultra luxury items LMFAO

my fps > scalpers children waking up empty handed on christmas morning.

 

[Sleepwalker]

How the hell did that happen? System matched PS sales and was consistently sold out for the first month, flippers should have been fine at launch. Those that went back and double dipped a month or two later maybe not as much.

Im not sure but he struggled for weeks, this was in south america and xbox was non existent at the time

 

[//DEVIL//]

Why would anyone buy from a scalper ( MSRP price even ) if he can just buy it from the store? very confusing.

The only reason Scalpers are selling at msrp is because they bought on probably by installment on their credit card so they can take an easy cash advance or build up their credit score. in both cases, I wouldn't help, Unless they sell below MSRP price since they want cash advance.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Scalping should have been illegal a long time ago.

 

[Magic Carpet]

MSRP and a Snickers bar and you got a deal!

 

[SportsFan581]

The Xbox one did not sell out very fast. It did sell all its stock, but you could see units on shelves from time to time, you had hours instead of minutes to buy them, and you may just be lucky, even without a reservation.

Case in point, early in 2014 MS had to heavily discount the units in store with multiple pack in games, while keeping the original MSRP... In some cases the console was practically free (3/4 games are worth about the same as the console would be worth by itself).

Ps4 was selling out for months all the way to May 2014 or so in many places (I was lucky enough to get mine at launch).

In 2014, sure. Not at launch though, flipping should not have been a problem in the first month or two.

 

[Drizzlehell]

 

[lh032]

WooWWW 1300 whAT a STEal

 

[anothertech]

 

[Filben]

Who would have thought.

It's like those bad guys in movies doing a robbery for "one last time", never knowing when to quit. We had two fucking years of shortages and overpriced hardware left and right, now financal crysis is hitting lot of people hard, and every seller, from top to bottom, Nvidia to scalpers, thought they could double down after this period and increase their prices by over 100% and scalpers still adding on top of that. You don't have to be genious not seeing it, rather a corporate greedy rat trying to squeeze the very last bit out of potential customers.

I'd rather stick to indie games with a decade old hardware before paying +1000 EUR for a new card just to play modern AA(A) games.

 

[njean777]

Anytime, someone says get a 3000 series card, I can't help but wonder if they don't realize that's part of Nvidia's plan?

I mean you only have two choices, maybe a third with intel? So pick your poison.

 

[GHG]

Anytime, someone says get a 3000 series card, I can't help but wonder if they don't realize that's part of Nvidia's plan?

And not only that, some of us want/need more performance than what the 3xxx series can offer.

 

[Gamer79]

I wish this were the case in Canada, fucking retailers scalping 6600 xt's for $500-$650, it's fucking retarded.

1660 ti's going for $350-$450.

I scored a 1660ti used on ebay for $125 3 months ago

 

[the_master]

He says, while the market is self-regulating.

Some scalpers unable to sell their stock means that the market has self regulated???

Problem solved guys!

 

[RoboFu]

People

Some scalpers unable to sell their stock means that the market has self regulated???

Problem solved guys!

not buying gpus is the self regulating part.

 

[Topher]

Some scalpers unable to sell their stock means that the market has self regulated???

Problem solved guys!

Never was a problem that needed government regulation in any case. I don't need "regulation" to know that I should avoid buying from scalpers.

 

[the_master]

Never was a problem that needed government regulation in any case. I don't need "regulation" to know that I should avoid buying from scalpers.

Would be great if scalping was illegal so instead of not buting something you want, tou could actually buy it for the notmal price.

 

[Doczu]

Good! Now next in line should be Raspberry Pi scalpers. The struggle is real, msrp units are continuosly sold out

 

[brian0057]

Would be great if scalping was illegal so instead of not buting something you want, tou could actually buy it for the notmal price.

If scallping becomes illegal, you won't find the product to begin with, regardless of the retail price.
How do I know this? I've lived it... and with far more important products than graphics cards.

 

[winjer]

If scallping becomes illegal, you won't find the product to begin with, regardless of the retail price.
How do I know this? I've lived it... and with far more important products than graphics cards.

This is the dumbest statement ever.
Scalpers don't multiply product availability. They just buy out stuff before normal consumers can, artificially driving prices up.
The amount of units of a product will remain the same, with or without scalpers. The amount of consumers that can get the product is the same.
Scalpers don't solve a scarcity problem. They just take advantage of it and make it worse by making it more expensive.

 

[Spyxos]

I thought 4090 is sold out? I just checked most German shops and it is available everywhere. Same with 4080.

 

[brian0057]

This is the dumbest statement ever.
Scalpers don't multiply product availability. They just buy out stuff before normal consumers can, artificially driving prices up.
The amount of units of a product will remain the same, with or without scalpers. The amount of consumers that can get the product is the same.
Scalpers don't solve a scarcity problem. They just take advantage of it and make it worse by making it more expensive.

You know what's worse than finding the product at twice the price? Not finding the product at all.
Now, imagine if instead of GPUs, it was food and medicine.
I don't have to imagine it.

Scallpers don't solve scarcity. They solve resource allocation.
Because only those who really need it will be willing to pay the high prices.
You people have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[winjer]

You know what's worse than finding the product at twice the price? Not finding the product at all.
Now, imagine if instead of GPUs, it was food and medicine.
I don't have to imagine it.

Scallpers don't solve scarcity. They solve resource allocation.
Because only those who really need it will be willing to pay the high prices.
You people have no idea what you're talking about.

They don't solve anything. Neither scarcity, nor allocation.
You are just making really dumb excuses, to justify scalping.
Makes me wonder if you are just a scalper, trying to justify your antics to the world.

 

[Spyxos]

You know what's worse than finding the product at twice the price? Not finding the product at all.
Now, imagine if instead of GPUs, it was food and medicine.
I don't have to imagine it.

Scallpers don't solve scarcity. They solve resource allocation.
Because only those who really need it will be willing to pay the high prices.
You people have no idea what you're talking about.

You sound like you like the smell of your own farts.

 

[brian0057]

They don't solve anything. Neither scarcity, nor allocation.
You are just making really dumb excuses, to justify scalping.
Makes me wonder if you are just a scalper, trying to justify your antics to the world.

You sound like you like the smell of your own farts.

I guess this is my fault for expecting an adult discussion on Neogaf.