The controls don’t really work well on a regular controller. They should reverse how the right stick works. It should alway control the camera and then using the sword should require using the shoulder button. The game is a constant struggle against awkward controls on the regular controller. The motion controls work much better. Even though I hate the concept of motion controls in general I am going to have to go with them.
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Skyward Sword HD: Review Thread
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The Shepard
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Or a Quick double tap L to switch between motion control with sword and camera control. That way your not constantly holding L exploring to turn the camera.
jigglet
Banned
I'm loving what I'm playing so far.
Pros:
1) The graphics are a touch better than I expected (although still blurry).
2) The ability to skip cut scenes and fast forward text is amazing.
3) Having the recalibrate button mapped to a dedicated button is also very nice, so you don't have to go into a menu to do it.
4) Free roaming camera!!!
5) Also no Fi...holy fuck, it's a game changer.
6) 60 FPS!
Cons:
1) Not being able to use motion controls for combat + regular controls for flying. This is by far my biggest complaint. Not everyone liked motion controls, but for those who did (me!!)...I don't know a single person that liked using it for flying. So fucking annoying having to switch control type every time I get on the bird. Even worse, the flapping your wings control is mapped to a waggle. FUCK. So you're constantly having to shake your right hand. Jesus christ this is just bad design. If they wanted to keep flying motion based, then it should have been like this: LEFT Joycon for direction control and the right Joycon for flapping your wings. Having two different sets of motion controls on the SAME Joycon is just shit. I can see why they did it: the Nunchuck never used to have a gyro, but this should have been an opportunity to fix that. I can't believe no reviews have mentioned this, it shits me that so few journalists do their fucking jobs.
2) Not being able to skip ALL cut scenes. I wish they made this clear by putting an icon on the screen, so you're not mashing the minus button in hope you can skip it.
3) I don't like how the pouch and save menus are still controlled by motion. Also the free roaming camera. I really wish they let us turn all motion controls off except for combat.
4) The X and ZR buttons going to waste. They are some of the best and most comfy buttons on the controller. WTF, why are they left unused? They could have been used to give us direct access to something. Although maybe they're used later in the game, I don't know.
5) In the Button-only control mode, why is the shield mapped to L3? It fucks with 20 years worth of Zelda history. I just can't get used to it.
6) Not being able to switch the sprint button. A lot of people who have only played BOTW are going to be used to X to sprint, why not give them the option to have the same button layout? Also jumping while locked on and the first person view have different button mappings compared to BOTW. As a Zelda veteran it's not an issue for me, but it seems weird to me that they wouldn't give people an option to make it like BOTW since that's the first Zelda experience for many people.
Overall I would still say this is a must buy for any Zelda fan, but it's weird that it still has so many rough edges. They got rid of Fi though. That alone is worth $60 lol.
Pros:
1) The graphics are a touch better than I expected (although still blurry).
2) The ability to skip cut scenes and fast forward text is amazing.
3) Having the recalibrate button mapped to a dedicated button is also very nice, so you don't have to go into a menu to do it.
4) Free roaming camera!!!
5) Also no Fi...holy fuck, it's a game changer.
6) 60 FPS!
Cons:
1) Not being able to use motion controls for combat + regular controls for flying. This is by far my biggest complaint. Not everyone liked motion controls, but for those who did (me!!)...I don't know a single person that liked using it for flying. So fucking annoying having to switch control type every time I get on the bird. Even worse, the flapping your wings control is mapped to a waggle. FUCK. So you're constantly having to shake your right hand. Jesus christ this is just bad design. If they wanted to keep flying motion based, then it should have been like this: LEFT Joycon for direction control and the right Joycon for flapping your wings. Having two different sets of motion controls on the SAME Joycon is just shit. I can see why they did it: the Nunchuck never used to have a gyro, but this should have been an opportunity to fix that. I can't believe no reviews have mentioned this, it shits me that so few journalists do their fucking jobs.
2) Not being able to skip ALL cut scenes. I wish they made this clear by putting an icon on the screen, so you're not mashing the minus button in hope you can skip it.
3) I don't like how the pouch and save menus are still controlled by motion. Also the free roaming camera. I really wish they let us turn all motion controls off except for combat.
4) The X and ZR buttons going to waste. They are some of the best and most comfy buttons on the controller. WTF, why are they left unused? They could have been used to give us direct access to something. Although maybe they're used later in the game, I don't know.
5) In the Button-only control mode, why is the shield mapped to L3? It fucks with 20 years worth of Zelda history. I just can't get used to it.
6) Not being able to switch the sprint button. A lot of people who have only played BOTW are going to be used to X to sprint, why not give them the option to have the same button layout? Also jumping while locked on and the first person view have different button mappings compared to BOTW. As a Zelda veteran it's not an issue for me, but it seems weird to me that they wouldn't give people an option to make it like BOTW since that's the first Zelda experience for many people.
Overall I would still say this is a must buy for any Zelda fan, but it's weird that it still has so many rough edges. They got rid of Fi though. That alone is worth $60 lol.
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Fake
Member
John from DF made a video about asking to avoid playing this game with Swtich Lite.
jigglet
Banned
Yes I think this is an idea I would have liked to have seen as an option. Or just mapped it to the ZL button.
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TheGodfather07
Member
this is like the only traditional zelda game i havent played and am looking forward to it.
how long is this game approximately?
how long is this game approximately?
GametimeUK
Member
Around 40 hours for main story and 60 hours for completion according to Howlongtobeat.
jigglet
Banned
Yeah it's a pretty long game.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Really enjoying this (never played SS on Wii eiter)
Moses85
Member
10/10 impossible. It aged terrible imo.
Sw0pDiller
Member
Great game, played is already on the Wii-U via virtual console. Motion controls worked very well and I enjoyed the zelda universe. Not sure about 60$ on switch though...
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
It was one of those games where it was getting 10s but people were saying its not the best games years after. The nintendo bump is real.
recursive
Member
Totally agree. Leave it to Nintendo to think holding down the L button all game makes sense. Bonehead design.
Porcile
Member
Playing for the first time since the Wii release. My impressions now:
Graphics and art wise, I think the character design is weird in that typical weird Zelda way but mostly well done. They really should have pushed the painterly style though, because what it is now is essentially just a Photoshop filter applied to every texture. Still it's very clean.
Controls are...not designed for a Pro Controller that's for sure. They are workable but they really should allow us to remap the shoulder buttons as my fingers naturally sit on the L2 and R2 buttons. I think the sword controls decently enough.
They concentrated A LOT on the presentation of the relationship between Link and Zelda and how to characterize that, mostly through cut scenes it has to be argued. I am not going to lie though. When the soundtrack (which is beautiful) kicks in at certain points it really gets me, and so far this is the most striking thing about the game to me.
So far, Skyward Sword is actually somewhat better than I remember it really. Maybe I am just soaking in the atmosphere, music and characters a lot more than I did back on Wii.
Graphics and art wise, I think the character design is weird in that typical weird Zelda way but mostly well done. They really should have pushed the painterly style though, because what it is now is essentially just a Photoshop filter applied to every texture. Still it's very clean.
Controls are...not designed for a Pro Controller that's for sure. They are workable but they really should allow us to remap the shoulder buttons as my fingers naturally sit on the L2 and R2 buttons. I think the sword controls decently enough.
They concentrated A LOT on the presentation of the relationship between Link and Zelda and how to characterize that, mostly through cut scenes it has to be argued. I am not going to lie though. When the soundtrack (which is beautiful) kicks in at certain points it really gets me, and so far this is the most striking thing about the game to me.
So far, Skyward Sword is actually somewhat better than I remember it really. Maybe I am just soaking in the atmosphere, music and characters a lot more than I did back on Wii.
Kokoloko85
Member
Lol, apart from GTA 5 they mostly deserves those high scores
tough slog thru the 1st hour or so. and yeah motion controls on the flying race part ...had a tough time there for sure.
not sure i'll be able to get to the last 1/2 to 3/4 of the game I didn't play the first time.
i remember complaining to Nintendo. I wrote some big post somewhere about this. I thought it was part of some feedback that Nintendo was supposedly going to read.
But i basically asked for BotW concept in so many words by saying Zelda had lost the exploration element and that Nintendo didn't have to worry so much about the player getting lost because of the internet. Zelda SS is the epitome of handholding.
The only thing tougher to get through than the first hour of this game is the 2nd time you play the first hour of this game. And I'm afraid there are a few more first hours to get through too. And by tough I mean staying awake or not going mad while skipping dialouge.
not sure i'll be able to get to the last 1/2 to 3/4 of the game I didn't play the first time.
i remember complaining to Nintendo. I wrote some big post somewhere about this. I thought it was part of some feedback that Nintendo was supposedly going to read.
But i basically asked for BotW concept in so many words by saying Zelda had lost the exploration element and that Nintendo didn't have to worry so much about the player getting lost because of the internet. Zelda SS is the epitome of handholding.
The only thing tougher to get through than the first hour of this game is the 2nd time you play the first hour of this game. And I'm afraid there are a few more first hours to get through too. And by tough I mean staying awake or not going mad while skipping dialouge.
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xellos2099alpha
Member
I try playing it on pro controller and it is an execerise in patient. I switch to joy con, it is better but o god the flying contect using joy con is a royal pain
mcjmetroid
Member
Well I would say GTA 5 does but everything else....
CitizenZ
Banned
$60 isnt a negative for basically a mod?
Kokoloko85
Member
Each to there own.
I would say GTA 4 does but not the other GTA’s lol
Kuranghi
Member
Playing right now, I forgot how much of a cheeky tart Zelda is in this game, its brilliant and refreshing after TP Zelda, shes too LotR-elven for me, meanwhile SS Zelda FUCKS. Pushing up on me on top of the statue then cockblocking immediately, like James Bond would do to a bond girl. What the hell is this, I love it.
Groose is great too, insulting his pompadour is the only correct choice at that part and if you don't choose that option you might as well stop playing. I like just leaving it cycling the awesome animations, the one of his minion guys, the tall one, vibrating with worry over Groose leaving was great.
Groose is great too, insulting his pompadour is the only correct choice at that part and if you don't choose that option you might as well stop playing. I like just leaving it cycling the awesome animations, the one of his minion guys, the tall one, vibrating with worry over Groose leaving was great.
jigglet
Banned
Not for me.
Kuranghi
Member
I agree after I've started playing it but I only paid the equivalent of 45 dollars anyway through a preorder discount and a delivery coupon.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
I started playing it on my Wii U a couple of years ago but I dropped it after about 10 hours because the motion controls and flying were too much for me. Now I'm playing the remake with the pro controller and I like it a lot. We'll see if I get bored but for now I'm having fun.
No, that award goes to BotW.
Kokoloko85
Member
Why do so many people hate BotW on this forum?
Because it's the correct opinion
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
Wait until BOTW 2 is out.
Then this place will be filled with praise and filled with meltdowns.
Nintendo bet wrong that motion controls should be in games like this. It’s great with wii bowling, but most people don’t want to flail arms while playing Zelda.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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VictorVectors
Member
If you have 100 hours of free time to spend obsessing over an epic, grounded old world story in one of the most detailed worlds ever, then it's a justified score... but what percentage of the population has life lessons to learn from idle conversations while avoiding fast travel?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Easily
AndrewRyan
Member
Can you imagine a halflife alex quality zelda?
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
Moses85
Member
No, because Nintendo don‘t give a fuck what their Fans want.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
Fans don't want this, proven by the mixed reception of Skyward Sword.
Moses85
Member
I know enough Fans including me which definetely want this. Nintendo shall proof us the opposite. But this isnt possible with Nintendos overpriced low tech Hardware
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NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Well said.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
Hardware is a reason too. Switch VR is a joke. Just saying that without motion controls a VR Zelda wouldn't make much sense in terms of gameplay.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
The characters and plot in general are among the best of the series and I don't feel ashamed in saying that. The characters have so much charm and attitude. It becomes especially evident when comparing it to BOTW... which I love but the game thrives from its gameplay. The plot and characters are secondary.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
Glad I didn't listen to the salt boys this time around. Motion controls are good, story is great, characters are great, art direction is great. Fantastic Zelda game so far, excited to play a shitton more tomorrow.
Also I hate to use the word "retarded" but what other word describes the console warrior posts in this thread about the controls? Straight embarrassing, yall call yourselves pro gamers smdh.
Also I hate to use the word "retarded" but what other word describes the console warrior posts in this thread about the controls? Straight embarrassing, yall call yourselves pro gamers smdh.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
If you want to play with button controls, that's fine, but personally I think it gimps the game of its identity. Motion controls are an essential part of Skyward Sword's D.N.A.
Playing the game without it is kinda missing the point, which is why I always roll my eyes when I see some of the latest reviews talking about how you can now "finally play it without motion"
Yeah.. no thanks, I'll keep playing the game how it was intended to be played.
jigglet
Banned
I agree, however I really can't agree with flying the bird still being bound to motion. I love motion combat (although I wish the button only alternative was better) but flying with motion is just objectively bad IMO. There's nothing redeeming about it at all. This game sorely needs a hybrid option that lets you use motion for combat and the stick for flying.
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Banjo64
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The DF video actually made me want to try this game. It’s the only 3D Zelda I’ve not played. It looked good to me based on what was shown (although their complaint that the camera and sword LB situation should be reversed does sound correct). Think I’ll buy this when it’s £30.
jigglet
Banned
That wouldn't fix the fundamental issue. The problem is there's just way too much travel in an analogue stick, imagine it's like the tallest, mushiest button ever made. Even if you just flick it gently instead of pushing it the whole way, there's still too much travel. It just feels bad when you're trying to chain a few hits in quick succession.
This is how I would have done it:
More info here:
So I hacked Skyward Sword and fixed the shitty controls
UPDATE: Here's my finished work: (disclosure: I don't work for Titan but I am a mod on their forum) Also please ignore my input lag and video quality. I am playing on a 10 year old factory second TV that I bought for $200 and filming it with a 5 year old phone...
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
The motion control Jank in this game is so frustrating at times
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