Panzer Dragoon Saga (1998)In 97? What are they?
I mean, I guess some may be "better" in some overall way according to your particular tastes... none are as groundbreaking at that time, I don't think. Xenogears was a year later or so, and was on a similar kind of scale in terms of epic JRPG adventures, and is also great.
We need more sci-fi in jrpgs, to be honest.Science fiction should have no place in JRPGs.
Not exactly how -cel is used outside of the word "incel". -cel could also be used as short for the full word, "incel". Take "femcel", for example. It doesn't mean female-celibate. It means female-incel: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Femcel"FF7cels"
Hold on, if they love playing FFVII and everything to do with FFVII, then wouldn't that make them FFVII sluts, the opposite of being FFVII celibate?
Wouldn't it be the ones who never played it be the actual FF7cels?
You don't have to explain it. It's why I said celibate in my post lol.Not exactly how -cel is used outside of the word "incel". -cel could also be used as short for the full word, "incel". Take "femcel", for example. It doesn't mean female-celibate. It means female-incel: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Femcel
It could also be used to described ultra fanboys of a game or movie or series who need to get out and touch grass. The kind who foam at the mouth if someone disrespects their beloved media. So in this case, the foaming FF7cels. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk!
It makes perfect sense if you look at it from the perspective of insulting ultra-fanboys. That's the part I'm explaining. It's calling them incels because of the way they act and respond. Typically, not someone well adjusted. Of course, it's making assumptions, but most of these generalized insults usually do.You don't have to explain it. It's why I said celibate in my post lol.
The offshoots you reference still make no sense when you actually think about it. FF7 involuntary celibates?
I think it's just another example of people online running with a meme and forgetting what it actually meant or represents in the first place.
I get it, but it still makes no sense if you stop to think about it.
lol fair enough. It still doesn't sound right to me, but I suppose that's just meme culture.It makes perfect sense if you look at it from the perspective of insulting ultra-fanboys. That's the part I'm explaining. It's calling them incels because of the way they act and respond. Typically, not someone well adjusted.
Either way, don't blame me, pal! Take it up with whatever redpill forum thought of it. I definitely didn't invent it, though I'm legit surprised you never came across it.
Like, what?This, a thousand times.
It ruined the series. Science fiction should have no place in JRPGs.
At least Square Enix is still making quality games like Dragon Quest and Bravely Default.
Chrono freaking Trigger.Times change, standards change. When FFVII was new it was the ultimate in JRPG's, though admittedly I like FFVIII more.
FFVII stood out not so much because it's moment to moment gameplay...it was the story. It was the first story I can remember where a major character in the game was killed.
To my 12 year old mind, this was earth shattering. That sheer emotional response and shock along with disbelief and hope that someone would bring Aerith back to life with a phoenix down...and to ultimately be let down...it was a little much for me at that time.
People will mock you, but random encounters have always been one of the great big "pretend it's not there" features in video game history.
FFVII (and FF in general) was kind of a white whale for me growing up. Feel like I played everything but FF. When picking up my PS5 earlier this year, I got the heavy hitters on the console and that included FFVIIR.
I. Fucking. Loved it. Couldn't get enough and then it was over before I knew it. Knew definitively then that I just had to finally play the original.
I'm no stranger to old games. Grew up on the NES and every console forward (and PC) and still often play games older than this. But dear lord this game has problems that I think stem from it being the first 3D title in the franchise and it's protracted development cycle. I actually quite like the way it looks, especially the in-battle character models, but could we please decide on character style? There are 3 vastly different looking character models depending on whether you're in battle, out of battle, or watching an FMV. It's odd. The constant shuffling of party members is aggravating (something that I hated about Remake). The ATB system feels like the worst of both worlds. Instead of feeling exciting, I feel rushed to make decisions AND it's also boring. Press x to win. Didn't quite do enough damage? Change the spell. That's it. That's the combat. Also, the constantly changing camera angles screw up who you're trying to target half the time.
Walk 10 feet. BATTLE!
Walk 10 feet. BATTLE!
Walk 10 feet. BATTLE!
A lot of older JRPGs had randomized battles, but it's so egregious here. This alone is reason enough to put it down IMO. I'm literally afraid of walking in slightly the wrong direction in the open world.
Then there's the shoehorned "mini-games" that aren't even kind of fun and half the time the game does such a poor job of communicating to me what I'm supposed to do that I succeed by trial and error rather than specific effort.
I greatly enjoyed everything up until getting to the open world where my enjoyment quickly fell of a cliff. Cloud is cool, Sephiroth is cool, Midgar is cool. But that's not enough to float this game for me. I think if I continue this game it will strictly be for the sake of completion since I'm anticipating Rebirth and I'd like to know where they deviate.
I understand why it was such a big deal at the time. FMVs, badass villain (in looks at least), cool guy with big sword, 3D graphics. But damn. Shit's overrated as hell.
This opinion is almost as bad as the OPs. Congrats.Science fiction should have no place in JRPGs.
A lot of older JRPGs had randomized battles, but it's so egregious here.
There is so much SHIT you can Jerry rig in FFVII that in the year of our Lord 2022, it's STILL one of the freest, agency filled battle systems of the series
Most of the battle systems in old RPGs are outdated and slow, and the random encounters should be viewed in a worse light than it is. But people can't bear to accept that their favorite games aren't what they once were.
It reminds me of something like A Link to the Past, where the weak combat is also ignored in a modern context because it's a legendary game.
Yeah you tell'em.All old games suck and unplayable now.
Same with "GOAT" games of today after 20 years.
But the feelings and great memories we got at the time are very real and I appreciate the games of those times.
I rented the game way back during the PS1 era. Not into JRPGs but wanted to give a try for the eye candy.
- Endless cut scenes
- Every time you summon a monster, that cut scene was unskippable (unless I was doing it wrong)
- Summon monster was OP and wiped the floor or enemies right away
I only dabbled with the game for a night and dont remember anything else. But how you could sit through all these cut scenes, you gamers must have the most patience on Earth.
Who knows what I did. Maybe it wasnt even a summon. I was spamming this big blue thing that was an unskippable sequence. It might had been a giant creature blasting every enemy with water or something. Would kill every enemy in one hit.Interesting you dabbled with a game for a night and managed to get all the way to the choco farm as there is no summon materia in Midgar.
I just played Final Fantasy 1 through 7 in a row. They're all still great. I love turn-based JRPGs and random encounters still don't bother me.I loved Final Fantasy VII, but I will be the first to admit that it has aged poorly, and only nostalgia-googles will see it differently. Most of the battle systems in old RPGs are outdated and slow, and the random encounters should be viewed in a worse light than it is. But people can't bear to accept that their favorite games aren't what they once were.
I just played Final Fantasy 1 through 7 in a row. They're all still great. I love turn-based JRPGs and random encounters still don't bother me.
Who knows what I did. Maybe it wasnt even a summon. I was spamming this big blue thing that was an unskippable sequence. It might had been a giant creature blasting every enemy with water or something. Would kill every enemy in one hit.
I think this was what I played. It was a demo disc and the Leviathan.
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Let's wave at each other as we pass.Dude, you fucking serious? I just played XV-VII in descending order in a row, hahaha. We're nuts.
Ahh yes, I forgot every old game is a JRPG. How stupid of me.
Don't play FFII, FFIII, or FFIV then lolA lot of older JRPGs had randomized battles, but it's so egregious here. This alone is reason enough to put it down IMO. I'm literally afraid of walking in slightly the wrong direction in the open world.