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Sony Becomes AMD's Largest Customer on Booming PS5 Sales
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mansoor1980
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playstation truly is a monopoly
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
oh shit. Dollar figure for chips..
Do we know how many PS5s sony sold last year? Someone do the math so we can find out how much the PS5 chips cost.
EDIT: If they sold 15 million chips, that around $250 per chip.
If they sold 20 million chips, that's $188 per chip.
That's almost double what they were paying last gen for a bigger chip, and makes me wonder just how much extra MS is paying for their 20% bigger chip.
Do we know how many PS5s sony sold last year? Someone do the math so we can find out how much the PS5 chips cost.
EDIT: If they sold 15 million chips, that around $250 per chip.
If they sold 20 million chips, that's $188 per chip.
That's almost double what they were paying last gen for a bigger chip, and makes me wonder just how much extra MS is paying for their 20% bigger chip.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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How badly optimized most PC games are right now must be helping as well tbh.
I doubt it's that simple because there are also other factors like inventory (and anticipating payments for future shipments) impacting the whole thing.
Anyway 3.776 billion dollars in sales divided by the 14.8m PS5 shipped in calendar 2022 (2m +2.4m + 3.3m +7.1m) would give a cost per chip of 255$, I don't think it's realistic, it's really a lot.
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Talkin Hawkin
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Economies of scale + production preference means Sony will be first in line for a new Pro production line and or cost reductions.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yeah, just trying to simplify because at the end of the day, thats money out of Sony's pockets for the purpose of making playstations. $255 is insane but considering the fact that they likely ordered all those chips for 2023 and beyond, it's possible the cost is much lower. The chip shortage probably allowed AMD to regonitiate their deals and Sony might have paid extra to get more PS5s shipped than XSXs.
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Captain Toad
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I'm still patiently waiting for a BOM leak, info for these consoles.oh shit. Dollar figure for chips..
Do we know how many PS5s sony sold last year? Someone do the math so we can find out how much the PS5 chips cost.
EDIT: If they sold 15 million chips, that around $250 per chip.
If they sold 20 million chips, that's $188 per chip.
That's almost double what they were paying last gen for a bigger chip, and makes me wonder just how much extra MS is paying for their 20% bigger chip.
I expect that thread to be interesting as hell.
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VolticArchangel
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I want to see Series S numbers the most.
Felessan
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Significant part of this revenue gonna go into this year spike in sales.
I would expect 3+ months delay between "payment for chip" and "shipment (i.e. sold to retail) of console"
So probably we should wait till we get 3q'22 - 2q'23 numbers of consoles sold to get a proper aproximation of chip cost
remember_spinal
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Their gaming (semi-custom and dedicated graphics) business segment creates revenue, but it doesn't really make them any money because the margins on the semi-custom stuff is so low. Note how the shift from selling GPUs during the shortages to higher semi-custom sales actually drove earnings down.
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Flutta
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M1chl
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Lets be clear that AMD (Radeon), back when they had terrible HW survived due to consoles.
Now they have just a bad product, they still depend heavily on console market.
Meanwhile Nvidia is leading the ML revolution and it is a geopolitical tool of nations.
Small wins and all that.
Now they have just a bad product, they still depend heavily on console market.
Meanwhile Nvidia is leading the ML revolution and it is a geopolitical tool of nations.
Small wins and all that.
Panajev2001a
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That is not what the notes on this sheet say at all.
Their gaming (semi-custom and dedicated graphics) business segment creates revenue, but it doesn't really make them any money because the margins on the semi-custom stuff is so low. Note how the shift from selling GPUs during the shortages to higher semi-custom sales actually drove earnings down.
Thirty7ven
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They should ask AMD for more secret sauce next time next time around.
Loomy
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Are you suggesting Ryzen/Threadripper, and RDNA3 are bad products?
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Spitfire098
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Hopefully the pro handles ray tracing better.
Baki
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$100 for PS4 APU vs a potential $188 for PS5 APU. Edit: I assume APU includes ram, so $188 for PS4.oh shit. Dollar figure for chips..
Do we know how many PS5s sony sold last year? Someone do the math so we can find out how much the PS5 chips cost.
EDIT: If they sold 15 million chips, that around $250 per chip.
If they sold 20 million chips, that's $188 per chip.
That's almost double what they were paying last gen for a bigger chip, and makes me wonder just how much extra MS is paying for their 20% bigger chip.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
APU is CPU and GPU on one chip plus the IO.
RAM is separate. It's also much cheaper per GB than it was in 2013 when GDDR5 was very new.
Gaelyon
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Yes, in this case a 16% monopoly
JackSparr0w
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Bitch 16% of revenue and you want chip exclusivity?
You won't be celebrating much when AMD doubles the price next gen. None of you gullible kids realize how cut-throat companies like AMD and Nvidia are.
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I am talking about Radeons
mckmas8808
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I want to see Series X numbers the most lol. Which one is losing the $200 a console?
ChorizoPicozo
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is crazy how small AMD is
Sentenza
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For context, Intel as a newcomer in discrete graphic cards in this quarter has already equated the AMD market share in the PC gaming market.
So yeah, AMD is almost comically small compared to Nvidia.
Loomy
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Radeon is just a brand name for AMD's GPU line. Just like GeForce is a brand name for Nvidia's GPU line.
The current architecture for their GPU is RDNA 3. It is not a bad product. Not even close.
The one they selling for $149
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