James Sawyer Ford
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I think we get Pro versions in 2024
PS5 Pro will also help visuals for PSVR2
PS5 Pro will also help visuals for PSVR2
Ooof. That would be a hot in the fit as I am going hard physical this gen.Considering the rumor that the ps6 is all digital I’m begging for pro consoles cause those will be at least guaranteed to be physical
Again, in order to make a visible dent you need a large boost in performance. How are you going to deliver it without raising prices further and making bigger boxes than we already have?I think we get Pro versions in 2024
PS5 Pro will also help visuals for PSVR2
2028 is fine. Full pathtracing + nanite at 1440p 60fps should be possible by then.
RDNA5 or 6 by then. I think RT will not be an issue by then.
we dont have to wait until 2027 , a 4060 will most likely be more powerfulImagine how an average PC stacks up against these boxes in 2027.
Isn't new gen typical last 8 years? If so, how is this a news?
I am tripping there.Are you entirely new to gaming, or just bad at counting?
He is right tho
Perhaps reconstruction technology will play a key part. Native resolutions are pretty much dead and the advancements made by FSR & DLSS by 2028 will probably make 1080p or even sub 1080p indistinguishable compared to native 4k. I only wish AMD wasn't so behind on the AI front.We´d need several times the 4090s power for full PT.....at ~300-400 bucks max. Let`s just say you guys are "optimistic".
Good. Pro models are a cash grab. Let’s go back to when devs had to spend a console cycle actually optimizing for the consoles’ hardware.
People seem to hate the feeling of not playing with the best hardware, its the same thing that happens with PC graphics settings were devs have to make "Ultra" settings not so Ultra since people wouldnt be able to run them and then complain the game is unoptimized.Why does having more hardware options available to consumers bother some people?
I don't understand this train of thought.
If you don't want a Pro console you don't have to buy one, you can keep your PS5 or currently owned Series console while people willing to buy Pro consoles buy them. It does NOT affect you in any way.
There will be a Pro model.Called it, and there won't be no Pro models.
Given that both the Pro & XOX was underwhelming in terms of sales and discontinued and the current gen consoles being underutilized almost 3 years later and the ability to reach higher Resolution using software solutions while get those performance modes too.There will be a Pro model.
I don't want options I just want games at 4k, 60fps and ray tracing. If a PS5 Pro can manage that I'll buy it day one. I don't want a gaming PC I've spent thousands over the years and they're a hassel. I like the convenience of a console and from what I've seen here and on other forums people will pay for a premium console.Given that both the Pro & XOX was underwhelming in terms of sales and discontinued and the current gen consoles being underutilized almost 3 years later and the ability to reach higher Resolution using software solutions while get those performance modes too.
Why would there a be a Pro model other then to waste money and resources and to please people's obsession with HFR.
Because then they don’t put effort into optimizing for the base consoles. Late Gen games ran like shit on base PS4/X1 because X1X, and PS4Pro became the new target hardware. And it’s not like Sony or MS cared if devs optimized the games because having the non compromised experiences being on the mid Gen refreshes incentivized people to buy another system in the same Gen.Why does having more hardware options available to consumers bother some people?
I don't understand this train of thought.
If you don't want a Pro console you don't have to buy one, you can keep your PS5 or currently owned Series console while people willing to buy Pro consoles buy them. It does NOT affect you in any way.
That's not good enough.from what I've seen here and on other forums people will pay for a premium console.
I was more than happy with my ps4 pro over the original ps4 so fingers crossed.That's not good enough.
Like I said the Pro consoles wasn't a successful endeavour so I doubt Sony will do it again.
Again, in order to make a visible dent you need a large boost in performance. How are you going to deliver it without raising prices further and making bigger boxes than we already have?
If we get them I think they will be an overall ripoff, meaning more beneficial to the manufacturers than console gamers and the cost of designing and making them will be taken out from the budget for the real next generation jump… so a customer foot gun?
We are not in the 90’s or 00’s anymore, manufacturing tech is slowing down (costs skyrocketing for more advanced nodes, diminishing returns in graphics meaning power increments vs noticeable impact in results).
Like I said the Pro consoles wasn't a successful
Imagine how an average PC stacks up against these boxes in 2027.
I don’t get it either. You want less choice? Imagine having more than one restaurant option? Ooff…Why does having more hardware options available to consumers bother some people?
I don't understand this train of thought.
If you don't want a Pro console you don't have to buy one, you can keep your PS5 or currently owned Series console while people willing to buy Pro consoles buy them. It does NOT affect you in any way.
If they do decide to make Pro consoles they need to make sure that the hardware they target has an $800 budget.
Like I correctly stated last gen, $500 is not a big enough budget to make a large next gen leap, especially considering inflation.
The dollar today has about half the buying power it did in 2020.
An $800 budget today would be the equivalent of $400 just a few years ago.
Maybe go for a $1,000 budget.
Because then they don’t put effort into optimizing for the base consoles.
Hopefully no pro models.
There's still a lot of potential in PS5/XSX that probably won't be reached until the end of the gen.
The question goes both ways.According to who?
The question goes both ways.
Is there evidence that the Pro Consoles was successful?
We know the PS4 Slim sold more by a wide margin, I can't comment on the Xbox One X.
but overall we know they didn't fly off the shelves like Nintendo's upgraded hardware revisions.
I don't believe Sony or MS has ever reported numbers for those machines outside the first launch and those numbers was low, which unusually means it didn't do well and it didn't get better.You were the one who claimed the mid gen refreshes weren't successful, so burden of proof is on you to support your claim.
As for the PS4 Slim outselling the Pro, of course it did. The Pro was never meant to sell more than the base model.
Seriously?It was a supplemental high end model to help entice folks to stay in the console ecosystem instead of jump ship to PC. That's the same purpose a PS5 Pro would serve
Nope. The "info" suggest PS6 and the Next XBox might be released 8 years after the release of PS5 and XBox series, if we are lucky, so this make at least 8 years in between the two releases, and could be even 9 years. We have 7 years between the releases of PS4/X1 and PS5/XBox series, so next time could be 1 or 2 years longer, ACCORDING TO THIS INFO.Isn't new gen typical last 8 years? If so, how is this a news?
I don't believe Sony or MS has ever reported numbers for those machines outside the first launch and those numbers was low, which unusually means it didn't do well and it didn't get better.
And even when they disappeared from retail the monthly numbers barely changed.
Seriously?
you think they gonna make a PS5 Pro to stop gamer's jumping ship to PC?
Here's a idea.
Stop porting their shit to PC if are worried about gamers jumping to PC.
Jim said that almost 6 years ago.If you don't know what their expected target figures were for the mid-gen refresh consoles, and you don't know what they actually sold then you have no way to judge if they were successful or unsuccessful. Which again brings up the question of why you're claiming they were unsuccessful. What actual evidence are you using to support that claim?
Let's hear it straight from Andrew House regarding the PS4 Pro:
https://wccftech.com/sony-boss-reveals-playstation-4-pro-aims-prevent-user-migration-pc/
"I saw some data that really influenced me.
It suggested that there’s a dip mid-console lifecycle where the players who want the very best graphical experience will start to migrate to PC, because that’s obviously where it’s to be had. We wanted to keep those people within our eco-system by giving them the very best and very highest [performance quality]. So the net result of those thoughts was PlayStation 4 Pro – and, by and large, a graphical approach to game improvement."
So that's an actual statement from the head of SIE at the time explaining that the PS4 Pro was meant to keep people who wanted better performance in their ecosystem. As for your idea, it's a bit shortsighted. The PC market consists of people who will never purchase a console and Sony wants to tap into that market as well, especially with their upcoming live service games. There's also the people who mostly play third party games, Sony would want to give them a choice to have a console that can compete with the higher end PCs of 2024/2025 to get great performance out of their games and keep them in their ecosystem.
Going back to first party (although third party counts here too), Sony are already putting in extra work to make their games ported to PC perform better than what the base PS5 can deliver. Since that work is already being done, why not utilize it to also build a higher end console variant for console owners who want more? Right now they're doing it post-launch as those games are coming out later after the console version, but it's only a matter of time before we start getting day and date console/PC launches, and that'll probably start with TLOU MP. Point is, if the extra money and manpower is being put into PC versions, it makes all the sense in the world to make use of that effort to make PS5 Pro versions of their games too.
Hopefully late 2024 at the earliest. We'll still be getting getting cross Gen games next year for Christ's sake!I’m expecting late 2024 (or at least hoping that’s when cause they can use rdna 4 for the machine at that point)