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Spider-Man 2 Controversy: Gamers Are Stupid and Don't Know Sh*t About Development
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Marvel14
Banned
How dare you prioritise gameplay over visuals ! Who gave you the right? Who do you think you are? Don't you know that immersion requires impeccable visual fidelity? What soup are you swimming in you Philistine?
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Robb
Gold Member
I wouldn’t know, I haven’t really been following the “controversy”. I personally think it looks great and can’t wait to see more.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Dude, I thought I was going insane. There was a clear fucking downgrade in puddle reflections. It was so obvious to see if you had two eyes but people love to shield their favorite developers so flocked to insomniac's defense. Turns out it was an actual fucking downgrade after DF did a video showing how in order to have puddles like that they wouldve needed SSR reflections all over the open world which would be way too expensive on the GPU. Not to mention all the manpower they wouldve needed to properly align those reflections. Though I could be misremembering that detail.
So by definition, they downgraded the visuals knowing full well they couldnt have had those reflections in the open world. Of course, ray tracing was revealed a few months later and we all found out that they needed ray tracing to get puddles to reflect the way they did in the demo. Ray tracing. Something obviously the PS4 could never support.
I hate how some devs are shielded from criticism. Had they been checked back in 2018 where they simply came out and said, yes, we are sorry, we hand crafted those reflections to make the scene look better than it will in the final version then no one would have bat an eyelash. Critics would say, hey there is your downgrade, small all things considered and moved on. But nope, we all felt the need to shield the devs from criticism and emboldened them to do more shit like that next time. 4 years later, we are seeing what a real downgrade looks like.
GymWolf
Member
You know he was being ironic right? You are 2 sarcasm detector behind.You know that switch games can barely compete with PS3 games, right? You are 2 gens behind.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Once again, gamers don't know shit more often than not.
Iced Arcade
Member
Things don't improve if you blindly accept and defend things based on brand loyalty.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Then you will never get to see the game until it's close to launch. In development they have points in time where there is the most recent and stable build, and that could have been a months old build before they added more rendering/animation/gameplay passes in the current one they are working on, that is far less stable.
Seen it first hand for years with MLB The Show.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
I kind of want some gore/blood physics in this though. call me a psycho but it makes no sense how spiderman can swing someone around and into the ground and no blood/bones/whatever break or come out.
Robb
Gold Member
Doesn’t help that they went out of their way to say that the first trailer was in-engine and running in real time either just to hype it up..
I wish it’d look as nice as that first reveal, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot with this one.
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Guilty_AI
Member
Its spiderman, they still have to make it marketeable for kids
Crayon
Member
They can save their money for all those better looking games.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
make it a toggle then that's off/low by default. kids can handle a little blood, remember mortal kombat & happy tree friends?
Ronin_7
Banned
So?
Guilty_AI
Member
It would still raise the game's rating
Spiderman 2 was underwhelming because they made everyone sit through an hour of trailers before they showed gameplay from a big never before seen exclusive. Just straight up fatigue in order to see something new or real gameplay for a major exclusive.
It is baffling these companies think it is a good idea to have a massive drought of game announcements and then just sandwich all of into 1 show making it all forgettable. There were some gems there, and it is unfortunate that it all got diluted based on this strategy. 4-5 state of plays a year would shine such a better light on all of these titles.
It is baffling these companies think it is a good idea to have a massive drought of game announcements and then just sandwich all of into 1 show making it all forgettable. There were some gems there, and it is unfortunate that it all got diluted based on this strategy. 4-5 state of plays a year would shine such a better light on all of these titles.
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Guilty_AI
Member
So people are angery
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Ronin_7
Banned
Angry because graphics? Don't buy it then?
Johnny Concrete
Member
I’m actually impressed by how ‘round’ their heads are. Some dense meshes or they are using tricks where the outline of the mesh gets more triangles than the inside.
Either way, smoooth.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s part of the process, we’ve been here before multiple times. Then the game launches and the game looks great and it’s left for the few miserable ones to try and keep the narrative alive.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Synless
Member
I agree with this. I have no doubts Spider-Man will look pretty good after all the polish is done and the game is out. However that trailer looked marginally better than Miles Morales. That’s why most of us are disappointed.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And this is a fair take as well.
FrankWza
Member
100% agree. Last thing we need to worry about. Gotta trust them until there's a reason not to.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Thats because they know jstevenson is there. They slag off Alex there every chance they get. Its celebrity worship.
They had no problem trashing suicide squad, forspoken and gotham knights just a few months ago, but those devs dont have accounts on era.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
But we didn't see control footage before it was ready.... and she looks much better in the prototype lol
Spdier man 2 is pretty much done let's be honest.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
because those are bad games and Insomniac with Spiderman have a track record of making great games????
GymWolf
Member
I knew that already.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Yea gamers are stupid.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I mean...they are though.
GymWolf
Member
Thirty7ven
Banned
Understandable. I think the opening shot with the helicopter looks way better than Miles Morales, and the speed at which it’s happening is incredible.
But I think games that are smaller scope will have an easier time providing the sort of leap that people want. And then some people will complain that said games aren’t 60fps.
Thirty7ven
Banned
So you think Spider-Man 2 is comparable to Gotham Knights and Suicide Squad, which genuinely looked lame to bad?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
What the hell? Where did i say this?
My dad once told me never to believe praise from anyone with a brown tongue. Took me a few years to understand this but as I got older it was reasonable advice
Thirty7ven
Banned
You used those examples I don’t know.
GymWolf
Member
What if they are just eating chocolate icecream while talking to you tho?My dad once told me never to believe praise from anyone with a brown tongue. Took me a few years to understand this but as I got older it was reasonable advice
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Stare-Bear
Banned
I’d rather have my socks blown off when the game is finished than having another Watch Dogs downgrade…
Lupin25
Member
It’s the diminishing returns.
Improved graphics have always been a factor to help easily identify a game’s value to a casual gamer.
Plus, there was a good leap between gens from PS1 - PS4, so Sony kind of created these expectations for fans early on.
Everything I seen from SM2 gameplay-wise were good improvements across the board, though. I liked the animation where Miles used light poles to propel himself to webslinging and the variety of web/tendril attacks used in those encounters were also nice to see. Hopefully, the environment is much of an option during combat like from we’ve seen so far.
Improved graphics have always been a factor to help easily identify a game’s value to a casual gamer.
Plus, there was a good leap between gens from PS1 - PS4, so Sony kind of created these expectations for fans early on.
Everything I seen from SM2 gameplay-wise were good improvements across the board, though. I liked the animation where Miles used light poles to propel himself to webslinging and the variety of web/tendril attacks used in those encounters were also nice to see. Hopefully, the environment is much of an option during combat like from we’ve seen so far.
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Fbh
Member
I'm sure this new game from the same dev who has in multiple occasions shown no major upgrades from demo to release is going to look 10 times better when it comes out!!!. Some slides from a presentation of areas that were never intended to be a part of a public demo told me so!!
People just need to lower their expectations, everyone bought into the hype of "dropping cross gen" as this magical moment that would instantly make games better in every way.
Spider Man 2 is just the reality check: Next gen is slight visual improvements over las gen but at higher resolutions and with a 60fps option
Wait till you see the amazing next gen gameplay and design
- "Spiderman! Shocker is trying to take over the entire power grid, I've identified multiple access points that he is using to do so"
- Map opens up and 12 shocker icons appear spread around the city
- You go to the 12 areas which are warehouses or construction sites and take down a bunch of random goons. Then you interact with the "access point" to disable it
- After you do that 12 times you have your showdown with Shocker where you dodge his slow and very telegraphed attacks and then take him down with a QTE
- "Thanks Spiderman. But we have another problem! We were taking balloons to the orphanage for the party but we accidentally let them go and now they are all over the city, can you help us get them back?"
- Map opens and 24 "balloon hunt" icons appear spread around the city...
People just need to lower their expectations, everyone bought into the hype of "dropping cross gen" as this magical moment that would instantly make games better in every way.
Spider Man 2 is just the reality check: Next gen is slight visual improvements over las gen but at higher resolutions and with a 60fps option
Wait till you see the amazing next gen gameplay and design
- "Spiderman! Shocker is trying to take over the entire power grid, I've identified multiple access points that he is using to do so"
- Map opens up and 12 shocker icons appear spread around the city
- You go to the 12 areas which are warehouses or construction sites and take down a bunch of random goons. Then you interact with the "access point" to disable it
- After you do that 12 times you have your showdown with Shocker where you dodge his slow and very telegraphed attacks and then take him down with a QTE
- "Thanks Spiderman. But we have another problem! We were taking balloons to the orphanage for the party but we accidentally let them go and now they are all over the city, can you help us get them back?"
- Map opens and 24 "balloon hunt" icons appear spread around the city...
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Boss Mog
Member
You should be embarrassed by that statement. TotK looks nice for a Switch game, sure, but please don't compare it to AAA PS5 game.
People today don't get humor, and how it's phrased.
GymWolf
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
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