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Star Trek: Beyond - Review Thread

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Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Maybe if people appreciated The Motion Picture more, we would be getting less action flicks now.

You suffer in a world of your own making.

TMP for life.

but we already got a superior non-action trek film

startrekIV.jpg
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
eh I disagree

generic villain motive aside it has a decent story

- Needing some ancient plate to get a weapon to work
- Destroying a fuckton of ships by merely playing music on "a frequence they least expect"
- Being stranded on a planet without ability to call for help, but still obtaining all kinds of sensitive information like Enterprise's logs from far away
- The whole story is a very basic good/evil conflict without any moral shades or dilemmas whatsoever
- The whole character design of Krall, even outside of the pure motivation for mass murder

I would not call that decent, it's a clichéy, simple good/evil story with a bad villain design. I absolutely don't see what this movies does particularly well in the main plot. It has nice humour, and good to sometimes even great character interaction between the main characters, but the main plot is just... dumb.
 
You know the weirdest thing about Insurrection?

There was an episode where Native Americans were straight up forcefully relocated and Picard followed that command (though conflicted) while chewing Wesley put for defying him. Yet, he is happy to save the ehitest bunch of people due to a chick he wants to bone.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Maybe if people appreciated The Motion Picture more, we would be getting less action flicks now.

You suffer in a world of your own making.

TMP for life.

TMP certainly is more Star Trek than anything we have seen from Abrams, but it also is really boring with the absurd amount of time it takes showing the damn ship instead of progressing the story. If TMP was a shorter movie, or an episode, then it would be fine, but at the lenght it has, it's a drag.
 

Sephzilla

Member
but we already got a superior non-action trek film

startrekIV.jpg

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I actually kind of detest this movie. The main "antagonist" is some mysterious thing that nobody ever heard about before, that shows up out of nowhere, gets all the way through Federation space without anyone notifying Starfleet (nobody noticed that every station and ship on a certain path went dark?), and it's somehow only set to respond to Earth whales. Come on. If this shit happened in one of the JJ movies people would rip it apart. And ultimately nothing is really accomplished in this movie! It's all one big event that does nothing for the Trek universe outside of putting Kirk back in the Enterprise.

Bones walking through a 20th century hospital is pure gold, though

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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
[rant]

I actually kind of detest this movie. The main "antagonist" is some mysterious thing that nobody ever heard about before, that shows up out of nowhere, gets all the way through Federation space without anyone notifying Starfleet (nobody noticed that every station and ship on a certain path went dark?), and it's somehow only set to respond to Earth whales. Come on. If this shit happened in one of the JJ movies people would rip it apart. And ultimately nothing is really accomplished in this movie! It's all one big event that does nothing for the Trek universe outside of putting Kirk back in the Enterprise.

Bones walking through a 20th century hospital is pure gold, though

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It's also incredibly funny.
 

Kimaka

Member
but we already got a superior non-action trek film

startrekIV.jpg

The best. The silly TOS episodes were always my favorite. The Voyage Home was one of those on the big screen and each crew member were able to have their moment instead of being the Kirk/Spock show.
 
eh I disagree

generic villain motive aside it has a decent story

Story wise, i think its as awful as Into the Darkness..2009 is better. Action wise this is the best one out of the three movies.

Trek being an action movie has been a thing since Star Trek 6. All of the TNG movies, with maybe the exception of Generations, are action flicks.

Undiscoverd Country is still the best Star Trek movie to me because it has a great balance between story and action. That's why i'm no longer care about Star Trek movie after First Contact because its too much action and its getting worse since JJ took the franchise.
 

Dougald

Member
Undiscoverd Country is still the best Star Trek movie to me because it has a great balance between story and action. That's why i'm no longer care about Star Trek movie after First Contact because its too much action and its getting worse since JJ took the franchise.

My man.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
- Needing some ancient plate to get a weapon to work
- Destroying a fuckton of ships by merely playing music on "a frequence they least expect"
- Being stranded on a planet without ability to call for help, but still obtaining all kinds of sensitive information like Enterprise's logs from far away
- The whole story is a very basic good/evil conflict without any moral shades or dilemmas whatsoever
- The whole character design of Krall, even outside of the pure motivation for mass murder

I would not call that decent, it's a clichéy, simple good/evil story with a bad villain design. I absolutely don't see what this movies does particularly well in the main plot. It has nice humour, and good to sometimes even great character interaction between the main characters, but the main plot is just... dumb.

it's cliche but at least it's serviceable at worst

when I meant by some elements of the tv series, the way how they explore the planet pretty much reminded me of some of their old shit, like how they went to that planet where some evil guy is making the kids do evil things

[rant]

I actually kind of detest this movie. The main "antagonist" is some mysterious thing that nobody ever heard about before, that shows up out of nowhere, gets all the way through Federation space without anyone notifying Starfleet (nobody noticed that every station and ship on a certain path went dark?), and it's somehow only set to respond to Earth whales. Come on. If this shit happened in one of the JJ movies people would rip it apart. And ultimately nothing is really accomplished in this movie! It's all one big event that does nothing for the Trek universe outside of putting Kirk back in the Enterprise.

Bones walking through a 20th century hospital is pure gold, though

[/rant]

it's a walking EMP that disables any ship within its vicinity

also some of the holes are easily ignored due to how the movie does its purpose with flying colors
 
Got free tickets to a trilogy marathon for last night. Saw all three in a row.

New one was cheesy and the characters constantly acted out for the sake of the audience. That is, their actions didn't feel like they were coming from a natural place. At times they were even plainly out of character for the sake of a gag. The villain never connected for me, not enough context or backstory for me to ever care about him and he doesn't even appear in much of the movie.
Watching them back to back to back, the effects of the newest one didn't seem as polished either. And there was a lot of stuff that was CGI that shouldnt have been. Overused.
And the way the heroes defeat a certain group of villains, I was actually embarrassed for the movie in a similar way to how you feel watching a small child trip over his own shoelaces and fall on his face. Oh, you poor thing...
That's not to say it is without merit. It certainly has its moments.

Overall, points for being more original than Into Darkness but I actually enjoyed it less. First continues to be the best of this trilogy by far.
 
TMP certainly is more Star Trek than anything we have seen from Abrams, but it also is really boring with the absurd amount of time it takes showing the damn ship instead of progressing the story. If TMP was a shorter movie, or an episode, then it would be fine, but at the lenght it has, it's a drag.

I love the ship porn in TMP. But that's definitely a personal taste.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
You know the weirdest thing about Insurrection?

There was an episode where Native Americans were straight up forcefully relocated and Picard followed that command (though conflicted) while chewing Wesley put for defying him. Yet, he is happy to save the ehitest bunch of people due to a chick he wants to bone.

While Picard's bluster to the admiral in Insurrection is fun, his entire moral argument just doesn't work. The Ba'ku aren't indigenous to the planet, they are such massive dicks that they refuse to share the planet with anyone who has a difference of philosophical opinion (really, the Son'a couldn't just go to another part of the planet? You had to literally kick them off the planet and doom them to die?) and despite their "nonviolence" pleas are perfectly willing for Picard and co. to do their dirty work for them. "How many does it take before it's wrong" is a good line, but yeah, 600 people for the good of the entire galaxy seems a fair trade to me.
 

Kimawolf

Member
I enjoyed it. The ending ship battle kicked ass. A solid 3.5 out of 5 for me.

It also felt like an original series movie, a throwback to the 60s with some Beastie Boys and Public Enemy thrown in.
 
The last one was awful. This has to be better.

On my 5 point Trek scale I'd rank Beyond as a 3/5. '09 was also a 3/5. Into Darkness was a 0/5 alongside Final Frontier. TWOK, Voyage Home, First Contact all 4/5s. TMP, SFS, Nemesis all 2/5s. Generations and Insurrection both 1/5s. The only Trek film I give a 5/5 is Undiscovered Country.
 

M.W.

Member
On my 5 point Trek scale I'd rank Beyond as a 3/5. '09 was also a 3/5. Into Darkness was a 0/5 alongside Final Frontier. TWOK, Voyage Home, First Contact all 4/5s. TMP, SFS, Nemesis all 2/5s. Generations and Insurrection both 1/5s. The only Trek film I give a 5/5 is Undiscovered Country.

Nice. I liked the 09 one quite a bit. Can't wait to see this.
 
I saw Beyond yesterday and after mulling on it overnight, I still think it's really good. It's probably my favourite JJ-Trek. 2009 is pretty good, but I do think Beyond just tops it for me.

And it's probably my favourite action-Trek film so far, so that puts it above FC.

I can't really say it's better than TWOK or TUC. I don't quite think it's that good yet, but I do want to see it again.
 

nOoblet16

Member
Maybe if people appreciated The Motion Picture more, we would be getting less action flicks now.

You suffer in a world of your own making.

TMP for life.

But people love Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact (to some extent atleast it wasn't action based but had traditional philosophical stuff) and the one with the whales.

TMP was just a boring movie imo, terrible pacing since they spent way too much time to show the special effects making the scenes were extremely long. They tried to pull off a space odyssey but it didn't work.
 

daxy

Member
Meh, I'd accept that listing.

Like I said, I think it's a bottom of the barrel in terms of the franchise. That ranking and your ranking both put it in the bottom third.

Looking gorgeous isn't the mark of a good movie or Tron: Legacy would be a good movie.

What about the clip is good? It's just a standard summer blockbuster barrage to the sense.

I enjoyed Star Trek: Into Darkness, Tron: Legacy, as well as
Thor: The Dark World
.

Not as classic works of cinematography mind you, but as general entertainment. I'm also not really into the lore of any of these franchises, so there's that.
 

Kickz

Member
Well... I just got out of it and I did not like it at all.. Seemed like they were setting up some stuff that would be impactful with Spock/Kirk/Uhoora early on but then LOUD NOISES followed by "boy that was fun, fuck that early shit we mentioned and lets do it again next movie!!!"

Rotten Tomatoes score of 89 mislead me :(
 

oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
Caught this last night. Some thoughts.

I appreciated how pensive the film was during two segments:
Kirk self-evaluating on his birthday
and
Spock coming to terms with his own mortality (over the course of the film)
.

I wish that the villain
played up this theme more, especially considering his circumstances as a 200 year old guy or whatever it would've been easy to write his motives to compliment this idea.
It's not quite as undercooked as
the unity vs ... selfishness?
thing but I still don't feel like the theme was brought to a satisfying conclusion.

Character scenes were the highlight of the film, by far, Bones was great,
Bones and Kirk at the beginning
was great,
Bones and Spock
were great. This element was dearly missed in Into Darkness. I also appreciated the relaxed pace of Beyond compared to Into Darkness.

If I had to sum up my thoughts on the film in a quick point or two, I'd say that it's closer to Star Trek than its immediate predecessor, the villain is underdeveloped, the action is serviceable, but the heart of the film is there, which I can't say about Into Darkness.
 

oneida

Cock Strain, Lifetime Warranty
"For Anton" made my gf burst into tears btw. "In Memory of Leonard Nimoy" reads like a respectful send-up, but "For Anton" reads like they lost a little brother. She didn't see it coming and it really hit her hard, I guess.
 

Liamario

Banned
"For Anton" made my gf burst into tears btw. "In Memory of Leonard Nimoy" reads like a respectful send-up, but "For Anton" reads like they lost a little brother. She didn't see it coming and it really hit her hard, I guess.
While that didn't make me cry, it did hit a nerve.
 

Tigel

Member
Maybe this was answered before, but was the movie shot in IMAX? I'll try to see it tonight and wondered if I should buy an IMAX ticket or not.
 
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