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Star Trek: Picard |OT| The Next, Next, Next Generation

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If you want to get really technical about it... Every time someone gets up in a transporter, their body is destroyed and a copy is recreated when they "beam down/up". So the copy is not the same person but it is still them, in a way.

Eh, that's a philosophical point you can actually go either way on.
 

GreyHorace

Member
But the average Jane and Joe want more sex in their lives. Combine TNG with sexy incest subtext and you get a recipe for a bowl full of ownage. Too bad the ingredients lacked spice.

You know what scifi show handled sex in a fun and non cringey way?



I'm sick and tired of people dismissing Farscape as 'that show with Muppets.' Fuck them. Farscape is the best modern scifi tv show I've seen. Far better than Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, Star Trek Discovery and Picard.
 

Ownage

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You know what scifi show handled sex in a fun and non cringey way?



I'm sick and tired of people dismissing Farscape as 'that show with Muppets.' Fuck them. Farscape is the best modern scifi tv show I've seen. Far better than Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, Star Trek Discovery and Picard.
I haven't seen it, but I'm down for any good sci-fi with a solid script. I'd rather see real / physical than CGI, regardless of circumstance. 1980s Ridley Scott holla.
 
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GreyHorace

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I haven't seen it, but I'm down for any good sci-fi with a solid script. I'd rather see real / physical than CGI, regardless of circumstance. 1980s Ridley Scott holla.
It's fantastic. It's from a time when scifi still had a weird and kooky vibe before it got all serious and topical with the Battlestar Galactica re-imagining in 2003 (that show is way overrated btw). BSG was the beginning of the end and shows like Discovery and Picard have been following in it's wake.

You can catch all four seasons of Farscape on Amazon Prime.
 
You know what scifi show handled sex in a fun and non cringey way?



I'm sick and tired of people dismissing Farscape as 'that show with Muppets.' Fuck them. Farscape is the best modern scifi tv show I've seen. Far better than Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, Star Trek Discovery and Picard.
I just started watching it, and it's really nice. In an oldschool way.
The muppets in it are amazing, but are really not the biggest thing about the show.
Rygel must be the greatest muppet of all times though.
I swear his acting is better than 99% of the cast of the Star Wars sequels.
 
If you want to get really technical about it... Every time someone gets up in a transporter, their body is destroyed and a copy is recreated when they "beam down/up". So the copy is not the same person but it is still them, in a way.

Well, the transport complication is why I mentioned the "2 Rikers" episode above, where he is essentially split during transport.

But that said, the question of identity is slightly less vexing with transporters than with "uploading your consciousness." The official line on transporters is that they convert your matter to pure energy+pattern, send that energy over, and re-convert back into matter. There's more continuity on paper, even if it's still pretty complicated philosophically and raises some identity questions.

But to merely "transfer consciousness" as a pattern, with no continuity of your matter / energy at all? That raises even more complex questions. It would mean that you can create Picard clones at will, and treat them all as the same person. I stand by the notion that to permit this in Star Trek would require major debate amongst the characters, and is a tremendous paradigm shift in the technology permitted on the franchise.
 

Darkmakaimura

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It's fantastic. It's from a time when scifi still had a weird and kooky vibe before it got all serious and topical with the Battlestar Galactica re-imagining in 2003 (that show is way overrated btw). BSG was the beginning of the end and shows like Discovery and Picard have been following in it's wake.

You can catch all four seasons of Farscape on Amazon Prime.
The original BSG was pretty awesome though. Pretty much the first Star Wars-like TV show.

And the theme was incredible.

 
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The original BSG was pretty awesome though. Pretty much the first Star Wars-like TV show.
I loved watching this as a kid so much. But I also enjoyed the remake.

on topic:
That consciousness debate is an interesting one. I think it's one of the reasons why other Sci Fi shows usually avoided beaming/teleporting.
On Star Trek, I kind of accepted that it's like fantasy magic teleporting with the consciousness still intact, although it's described as that "destroy original -> create copy" thing. Dunno why. Maybe just because I watched it for such a long time (>30years) before I asked myself that question.

Scanning a dying persons mind to create a copy and plant it into an Android is weird though.
And what's more weird, like written above in a post, is, that there is not even a philosophical debate in the show if this is ethically correct.
How will people react to this android in future? Will Starfleet listen to an android Picard copy? How will Riker and Troy react to him?
It's so weird this is simply accepted within the show.
 
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Dazrael

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I watched the Abrams Trek’s again last weekend and was surprised how many times the scripts had to explain why the transporters couldn’t be used. It’s like the transporters are such a powerful deus ex machina that they have to provide reasons as to why they are so limited.

“I can’t lock onto them as they are moving around too much but I can beam you down onto the same hi speed craft that they are standing on”

Yeah right.
 

Slimybug

Neo Member
This is ironically one thing the quarantine won't help me to watch, because I refuse to watch it without my friend by mys die. So I'll see episode 7 in a few months!
 

DeafTourette

Older than air but younger than the foundations of the earth
I was thinking of something. When that La Sirena captain told Raffi about his old Captain and the Androids they met, it reminded me of some of the Trek books. Thinking about it, that dark story kinda scared me in the same way some of the dark stories of the Trek books did. Especially the Shatner ones where he was in the TNG timeline.

Just a memory and a thought.
 

Kenpachii

Gold Member
Watched the remaining episodes.

Old cast is great, seven of nine is great with borg, everything else is trash.

Star trek picard has the following moto before they even started filming and its obvious clear

Race first
gender second
power position based on race and gender thirth.
white males in weak positions or are weak or are shit on 24/7 fourth.
Females bad ass, kicking everybody ass specially men because fuck logic fifth.
Making of the series and everything involved after it.

Fuck i though discovery was bad but this series at the start was simple not watchable.

It seems that the cast they wanna stick with is fine now. And hope they soft reboot the series next season to something more interesting. Because fuck this first season was bad.
 

Ememee

Member
I already got my first laugh from them showing Shatner riding around on a bike.

full disclosure: only Star Trek I’ve seen in my life was the first movie, Wrath of Khan, Abrams stuff, and bits of TNG flicks but the re:views of Picard have had me the most excited about Star Trek ever in my life. Been waiting for this bad boy.
 

Forsythia

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So they go out of their way to not make this TNG 2, but they keep adding characters from that show. Makes the universe feel tiny imho.
 
I want the sludge monster to cough up the remains of Tasha Yar that the Borg reanimate into a new Queen.

Borg-hunter Janeway then makes a surprise appearance to "blow that bitch into the stars" while Picard goes fishing with Worf.


I've got Kurtzman beat!
 

Sosokrates

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Ok I just watched the first episode of season 2 and im confused, how come Picard is still alive? i thought he was transferred into a synthetic body?

Edit: ok i just quickly rewatched the end of season1, so the synthetic picard is as old and frail as the human body lol. God these writers are something else.
 
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Kenpachii

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Ok I just watched the first episode of season 2 and im confused, how come Picard is still alive? i thought he was transferred into a synthetic body?

Edit: ok i just quickly watched the end of season1, so the synthetic picard is as old and frail as the human body lol. God these writers are something else.

Yea its like wtf lol.
 
Ok I just watched the first episode of season 2 and im confused, how come Picard is still alive? i thought he was transferred into a synthetic body?

Edit: ok i just quickly rewatched the end of season1, so the synthetic picard is as old and frail as the human body lol. God these writers are something else.

How did you not read my comment just above your post, lol

Don't worry about Picard's health, he's already dead and replaced by a android facsimile which just happens to be a tired and confused as the real thing was.

Of course, having Q arrive just after that godawful android restoration plotline is so out of place. What should have happened, if Picard was dying last season, was Q showing up, who wouldn't miss that moment for the world. It's Q who should have somehow given him one more shot at life, rather than having his "consciousness" copied into a frail android facsimile of himself built by a long lost Soong brother.
 
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Sosokrates

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How did you not read my comment just above your post, lol



Of course, having Q arrive just after that godawful android restoration plotline is so out of place. What should have happened, if Picard was dying last season, was Q showing up, who wouldn't miss that moment for the world. It's Q who should have somehow given him one more shot at life, rather than having his "consciousness" copied into a frail android facsimile of himself built by a long lost Soong brother.

I just posted without reading.

I like your plot change.
 

ManaByte

Member
S2 started today.

First episode is much more of a Star Trek show than all of S1 was.

I like the new Stargazer but don't get why they gave it a new registry number instead of using the original and adding an -A after it.

Guinan is barely in it.

They do explain why Q is old:
He first shows up de-aged looking like he did in TNG, but when he sees how old Picard is he changes his age to match him.
 

Cleared_Hot

Member
Ok I just watched the first episode of season 2 and im confused, how come Picard is still alive? i thought he was transferred into a synthetic body?

Edit: ok i just quickly rewatched the end of season1, so the synthetic picard is as old and frail as the human body lol. God these writers are something else.
This and discovery are absolutely dogshit. They could have made a separate shitty scifi and fine. But to call it star trek is absurd.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch

I haven't watched this yet. Mike and Rich are huge Star Trek fans and they didn't care for the first season at all, to put it mildly.
 
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