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Suicide Squad Extended Cut |OT| I'm Just a Sucker for Pain

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obin_gam

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I liked the EC way better than the theatrical. The dialogues added contributed a tonne of characterization and development severely lacking in the previous cut, to the extent I cannot understand why these scenes weren't in it in the first hand.

The movie's problems still are there though - the beginning feeling like a trailer, and a bad choice with the antagonist (you don't put a world destroying villain against a rag tag team of degenerates, you give them a smaller scale villain at first imo) - the 13 minutes do not erase those bits, but this one feels more like a complete "David Ayer Movie" thanks to the breathing room scenes.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
Oh I'm not expecting to like it, I'm curious about the changes to composition. Because the assembly of the theatrical cut was so bad I honestly couldn't believe it was done by a professional film editor and approved by a director. Surely that's one area which could be improved by revisiting the film...

Yeah, I was amazed at how terrible it was. By far the worst of the 3 DCEU films.
 
I checked out a few of the new clips. Joker torturing Harley scene starts great, but once the new footage is over it returns to the silly snap chat filter...And what Joker says,
about losing his memory, perhaps hints at him burning down Wayne Manor and knowing Batman's identity at a time.
Action is as crummy as it is in the theatrical.

Please, Affleck. More of this Batman.
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And not this flabby and sick Batman.
 

Daffy Duck

Member
Based on the feedback here i didn't watch the extended edition but plumped for the TC...

What can I say, I really enjoyed it, don't get the hate about the film not flowing (maybe it shows I know nothing about a) films b) the source material {clue: I don't, the only DC characters I'm familiar with are Batman and the associated villains from the Arkham games and Superman and his band of enemies}) but I did enjoy it.

It was a fun couple of hours to waste watching something not terrible, was pleasantly surprised Batfleck was in as I had no idea he was in it.

Have to admit (I love the Dark Knight) but really didn't feel the Joker here...felt really off, that was my only real criticism.
 
One thing I don't get: one big criticism I kept hearing was that this movie was supposed to be confusing and weirdly edited, but I didn't really get any of that? It's a super straightforward, clear plot full of characters that aren't exactly deep but I wouldn't call it confusing at all.

When it comes to the editing, it's really not about the story being confusing. The plot is pretty straightforward and simple (
though I do see a lot of people confused about their actual mission, or at least they forget it wasn't about killing Enchantress
). It's about the way scenes are edited together. How they flow from a story point from one to the next (or more specifically how they don't). How the pacing is all jacked up. Etc. It's really easy to tell while watching it that this was a movie who had a LOT of it's pieces cut up from it's original structure, jumbled up, moved around, thrown out, and band-aided which was exactly what happened.
 
Jesus, this movie is BAD.

And it shouldn't be. Really strange. I blame the editing/script.

I definitely see the flow problems. It watches like an extremely long trailer. Easily my biggest issue with it.
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
Saw this last night, and, well, it's something.
- Script, screenplay and editing were horrible. Lines didn't make sense, the movie had no rhythm.
- I liked Jared Leto as Joker. That said, I didn't like the bits of Joker that Ayer & co made. When Leto is freestyling it, he nails it. Just the tats and the grill and some of his lines, ugh. There's an actually good Joker hidden in Leto, WB just decided to bury it.
- Harley and Diablo were the highlights of the movie, they brought decent acting and they played the last well
- Deadshot was basically Will Smith in an action movie Will Smith. Nothing wrong with that, I've just seen it before
- At first I was wondering when Croc would get to talk, and then he did and I wished he didn't. The prosthetic got in the way of his talking and lines just didn't come naturally. His head also looked weirdly oversized.
- Boomerang was quite good as the comic relief, but I couldn't help but think that pinky was written in after Deadpool.
- Slipknot was fucking wasted, but you knew what was going to happen after Walker made all the introductions.
- Flagg is just your average rough and tough military type, following orders, because that's what you're supposed to do, plus the tragic hero that sees his lover die
- Waller's development was also weird. I like how she killed her employees as a twist, but disappointed that they brushed it off as another day at the office

The music was all over the place, mostly not fitting at all, almost like those Dragonball Z music videos with Linkin Park or Korn.

The movie was a mess. They took a good and fresh premise and flushed it down the drain with pretense and amateurism. Three movies in and not a decent DCEU movie exists. Cut the cord and reboot that shit with competent people at the helm.
 

xxracerxx

Don't worry, I'll vouch for them.
The music was all over the place, mostly not fitting at all, almost like those Dragonball Z music videos with Linkin Park or Korn.

I feel like the music choices was a direct reaction to the success of Guardians of the Galaxy's mixing/soundtrack.
 
Yeah, this really isn't a good film. Every time I thought it was average, something happens and it knocks itself down a peg.
Editing is terrible, fight scenes are the dullest I've seen in a long time and there's too many characters that are absolute dead weight.
The first 15 minutes are a goddamn crawl.
The guy who plays Rick Flag lives in a charisma-free zone. He's as robotic here as he was in Robocop. I kind of wanted bad things to happen to his character solely because he was boring the shit out of me.

That being said, it's overall more entertaining than the other 2 DCEU movies. Something is always happening, unlike in BvS. The Batman warehouse fight scene can only take you so far.
I liked Will Smith in it. I liked whoever played Amanda Waller. And I liked Margot Robbie but I wasnt a fan of Harley in the movie, if that makes any sense. Most of her dialogue is really bad but Robbie really tried. She would shine with a better script.
Joker is whatever. I don't hate it, but I don't like it either.
I never saw the theatrical cut, but I can't imagine it being worse than this.

Also, Killer Croc's head is fucking huge. It looked weird as hell.
 

firelogic

Member
I checked out a few of the new clips. Joker torturing Harley scene starts great, but once the new footage is over it returns to the silly snap chat filter...And what Joker says,
about losing his memory, perhaps hints at him burning down Wayne Manor and knowing Batman's identity at a time.
Action is as crummy as it is in the theatrical.

Please, Affleck. More of this Batman.


And not this flabby and sick Batman.

That's the difference between a master of directing action, Zack Snyder, vs David Ayer.

As for the extended cut itself, I prefer it over the theatrical cut because we get more Harley in this version. The motorcycle scene was pretty good and leads into the chemical plant scene nicely later on. Also the part where Harley "shrinks" a bunch of the squad was fun to watch. AND we get a nice long butt shot of Harley earlier than the scene where she walks out of the elevator.
 

Combichristoffersen

Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I wanted the BD bundle only for that Harley figure, but it's only for the US. Amazon UK gets a Deadshot figure bundle. No thank you, you can keep Deadshot, whoever the fuck that is anyway.

Edit: Oh, Amazon Germany gets the Harley bundle. Nice.
 

Salsa

Member
saw this tonight without having seen the original and i've never been happier I didnt pay for a ticket

what a pile of hot garbage

went in with 0 expectations and the only thing I liked about the whole movie was parts of that scene at the end in the bar, when you know, the characters actually get to somewhat interact on a "deeper" level (was that in the theatrical cut?)

but jesus christ I cant believe the editing of this film, I cant believe anything about how it got to the state it is

it's barely a film

I knew i'd be mad at it as someone who likes the characters so yeah, almost went to see it when it was playing. bullet dodged.

laughed out loud at how the movie starts by throwing like 5 of the most obvious song choices on the planet at you and it just never stops with that from then on
 

Salsa

Member
those last 20 minutes of the film with UNBEARABLE slow-mo trying to get some sort of feeling out of you when the stakes are non-existent and you dont care about anything were literally me going "fuck be over already so I can watch the half in the bag episode on it"
 

Burt

Member
those last 20 minutes of the film with UNBEARABLE slow-mo trying to get some sort of feeling out of you when the stakes are non-existent and you dont care about anything were literally me going "fuck be over already so I can watch the half in the bag episode on it"

but theyre family

because they walked down a street and then up a building and then left and went to a bar
 
Just watched it. Meh.

I think the Ultimate Cut of BvS was an overall improvement, but this EC is just the same film with more minutes. I liked the new scene with Harley funny trash-talking some of the crew, but for the most part it just feels the same.

The people who liked the theatrical will still like it. And who hated it... well, you already know. I'm in the middle ground, so I don't regret watching it, but it will take a while before I want to see it again. The weakest DC EU film (for me) so far.
 
laughed out loud at how the movie starts by throwing like 5 of the most obvious song choices on the planet at you and it just never stops with that from then on

I cracked up over the very opening shot of the film. Pan over Belle Reve prison (located in Louisiana): *There is a house in New Orleans...*

The song choices were so on the nose (in a very superficial manner) that i'm surprised they didn't play Aerosmith's Crazy over the Joker and Harley scenes.
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
but theyre family

because they walked down a street and then up a building and then left and went to a bar

Yeah, that shit came out of nowhere. "I already lost a family, I'm losing another." WTF dude! You're a ragtag gang of villains. Nothing in the movie built up to them becoming a family. This ain't F&F.
 

Blablurn

Member
Yeah, that shit came out of nowhere. "I already lost a family, I'm losing another." WTF dude! You're a ragtag gang of villains. Nothing in the movie built up to them becoming a family. This ain't F&F.

you have to read between the lines

we dont know all the things that happened during their adventure
 
Watched it yesterday... It could have been a good film but was just poor all round.

The editing complaints I thought would be just nit-picking but yeah they were pretty bad...

The introduction was awful. Big suspenseful music then bang into the House of The Rising Sun. Didn't fit it at all.

Jared Leto's Joker was good I thought, not as bad as some people made out, but some of the characters were so underused and void of anything.

Killer Croc - was paramount in one scene. The rest was nothing not even a good flashback.
The Australian (and yes I have forgotten their names already) could have been a fun character but apart from the flashback of 2 minutes and the small scene where his unicorn fell out (around 5 seconds) he was nowhere.
The Samurai - tiny flashback and a tiny scene talking to her blade and the explanation as to why

It was the Deadshot and Harley film. I don't begrudge Will Smith wanting more time on screen but his character wasn't even that interesting to begin with, all the fancy sniper flashback and for what? For him to pull the trigger like a child playing a fps
 
you have to read between the lines

we dont know all the things that happened during their adventure

I thought you were joking for a second until I saw your previous comment. There is no in between the lines. It's not like we missed a week of off screen bonding.
 
Suicide Squad is not only worse than Man of Steel/BvS but it's also in the running for biggest piece of shit to stem out of comic book movies in years.

Got some tough competition against thor 2 and Fant4stic but it did a good job of living up to that. Bless up to will smith though, he tried his best to make this watchable during the beginning.

Agree with this 100% percent this was supposed to be the slam dunk but they can't tell a coherent story without a bunch of flashbacks.
 

duckroll

Member
So I was thinking. With how successful Suicide Squad has been, do you think Warner regards their choice of editing team a mistake at all? If not, what other movies can we expect these advertisers to ruin in future?
 

Burt

Member
So I was thinking. With how successful Suicide Squad has been, do you think Warner regards their choice of editing team a mistake at all? If not, what other movies can we expect these advertisers to ruin in future?

The Justice League trailer was rank with the smell of that Suicide Squad editing target. I think by this point it's already a lost cause, and Batfleck's script issues have it sounding like it's a victim of the same problem. You can't avoid that shit when it's coming from the very top of the very top.

That being said, Wonder Woman looks like it's from a completely different studio, so take it as the last best hope for DC movies not being insultingly fucking garbage until a reboot. If Wonder Woman doesn't force a pivot, well, take that M. Night Shymylan Metacritic graph and swap his name out with DC movies.
 

J_Viper

Member
The Justice League trailer was rank with the smell of that Suicide Squad editing target. I think by this point it's already a lost cause, and Batfleck's script issues have it sounding like it's a victim of the same problem. You can't avoid that shit when it's coming from the very top of the very top.

Those "Affleck script problems" were already debunked, and there's no way in hell WB would dare touch his movie

I'm trying to hold faith for JL, but who the fuck knows what's gonna happen with that one. I'm worried Ezra will be Eisenburg 2.0
 

Burt

Member
Those "Affleck script problems" were already debunked, and there's no way in hell WB would dare touch his movie

I'm trying to hold faith for JL, but who the fuck knows what's gonna happen with that one. I'm worried Ezra will be Eisenburg 2.0

"Debunked" or "PR'd"? I'm not trying sound smarmy, I'm legitimately curious -- didn't hear about a resolution to that. If you have a link I'd be more than happy to read through.

and no one will ever be an Eisenberg 2.0

just kidding, Donald Trump is president of the free world, anything is possible as long as it's lowering rock bottom
 

1upsuper

Member
Man, I'm bummed the EC isn't available for digital rental yet. That's so dumb. I enjoyed the TC well enough and I was looking forward to watching the EC but I'm not spending $20 to own it digitally.
 

Ithil

Member
Just watched it. I didn't watch the theatrical version, so all I've got to go on is this extended cut.

It was...meh. Extremely meh. Perhaps even outright bad.

I think everyone has already said it was not the film the trailers said it would be, a crazy fun colourful roller coaster. It sure as shit wasn't. In fact it had the same problem the other two DC movies had, it was dour as hell. I'm gonna run through it, three months late because I'm sure everyone's already thought about all this

The first act was a misfire. It's obvious the film had far too many characters, because their idea of introducing everyone was literally a neverending explanation of the cast one by one. Guardians of the Galaxy worked with its team by starting with one member, and gradually introducing the others as the film went on, and that was with a five person team. This film had like 13 or 14 characters to introduce with quick vignettes. It took forever and even then, they still had so many that Katana and Ropeguy literally just show up out of nowhere. It was pretty funny that everyone's predictions of Ropeguy being completely spot on though.

The second act is where it just died. It consisted of 45 minutes of everyone walking very slowly through a dark city with the cast endlessly pairing off into dialogue scenes that might as well have had "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT" flashing along the bottom, interspersed with literally faceless CG mooks showing up to be easily beaten. When I think SUICIDE SQUAD I just don't think of the squad slowly ambling down streets surrounded by an escort.

They actually had a decent scene at the bar with a bit more actual ensemble interaction, which was what I thought the film would mostly consist of, and then the climax, which was fine, fairly standard for superhero films. That "big CG beam or storm in the sky" trope is getting well worn out however.

This is going on too long so I'll wrap up. I liked Harley well enough, she was fun, but I didn't warm to this Joker. It just felt like a slightly weird gangster, not The Joker. A very uninspired depiction. The rest of the squad and cast left little impact (except for El Diablo who actually had a little bit of an arc). Captain Boomerang was surprisingly amusing (the first time Jai Courtney can say that in his career) but he had very little screentime. Deadshot was just Will Smith with a gun.

All in all, it was just not much fun. It was kind of boring and that's a problem. The film seemed to rely entirely on its soundtrack of appropriate songs to convey any sense of fun or energy, the actual film itself was very dull.
Batman: Assault on Arkham was a far superior Suicide Squad movie, and no one is going to read all this because it's too long anyway.
 

Shpeshal Nick

aka Collingwood
I'm really easy to please and even I think this movie was bad.

Casting director needs to not be used again for a while. Leto was atrocious as Joker and the rest you could just tell they tried to cast every flavour of the month actor...plus Will Smith as the draw.

Then it seems they tried to load up the soundtrack in an attempt to distract people from how bad the movie is.
 

tapedeck

Do I win a prize for talking about my penis on the Internet???
I still haven't seen this movie, largely due to the negative reviews. I'll rent the extended cut when it's out on blu-ray, surely it's worth my $4.
 

Alienous

Member
I've seen a couple of the extended clips, and they seem just as bad as the movie.

What the DCEU has done to its cast is crazy to me. They flushed Superman, Lex Luthor and the Joker down the toilet in their first two/three films. They really made an effort to do the same to Batman, but Affleck's acting was strong enough to endure the mischaracterization.

Wonder Woman is probably the only major character they've gotten 'right' so far, so that's a good sign for the Wonder Woman movie I guess.
 

J_Viper

Member
"Debunked" or "PR'd"? I'm not trying sound smarmy, I'm legitimately curious -- didn't hear about a resolution to that. If you have a link I'd be more than happy to read through.

and no one will ever be an Eisenberg 2.0

just kidding, Donald Trump is president of the free world, anything is possible as long as it's lowering rock bottom

I can't find the links from Twitter, as I forget the exact names, but two sources had come out, one from The Wrap, the bother from Variety, and stated those rumors were bologna.

I mean, it IS Affleck. He's got a rock solid track record as a writer/director.
 

border

Member
I have never seen Suicide Squad before. Am I better off watching the Extended version or the Theatrical version?
 

Jonogunn

Member
It really bugs me that Flag had no problem sacrificing his right hand man (Scott Eastwood).

Not even a good bye or anything. Yet he was so concerned that he has to sacrifice diablo.

That said I love the extended version scenes. Much like BVS ultimate edition they make the movie flow better and scenes make more sense. But that third act is so played out and felt so drawn out.
 
I have never seen Suicide Squad before. Am I better off watching the Extended version or the Theatrical version?

echoing the posts saying you should just skip it. but i still think that you should youtube the deadshot scenes later. the gun range and his intro are very bright spots in this piece of crap.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
watched the movie today. it was an OK way to pass some of my sunday morning but could've been much better. it felt like they spent too much time doing nothing. the introduction to all the characters felt like it was taking forever and i don't feel the was enough fun action happening...when it actually did get around to it. quite liked deadshot and harley quinn who was by far the best character. the enchantress/joker and waller weren't all that great. i was looking forward to seeing cara delevingne's character and see what leto did with the joker.

i would be up for another movie cause i feel suicide squad has the potential but this movie just wasn't all that great.
 
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