SLB1904
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Cd keys says otherwise, but carry on
Eye sore lmfao. What's next a slide show
Just fuck out of here with your hyperbole
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Techradar tests PS5 VRR
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Just fuck out of here with your hyperbole
01011001
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
There is no hyperbole here warrior.Cd keys says otherwise, but carry on
Eye sore lmfao. What's next a slide show
Just fuck out of here with your hyperbole
59 fps with vsync is just bad.
The end.
Imagine being so desperate to defend your anti vrr narrative you've been living with the last couple years that you resort to defending constant pausing stutters in a racing game.
You really are a fucking clown.
8BiTw0LF
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01011001
Banned
no, the issue is that the HDMI forum are being a bunch of idiots and literally wiped HDMI 2.0 from existence.
my 3 year old Samsung TV is now technically HDMI 2.1... it was 2.0 back when I bought it but no more
HDMI 2.1 is now just an umbrella term for an HDMI chip that CAN have several features, but DOESN'T NEED to have those features.
Gordon Freeman
Member
Yet more evidence like this odd VRR solution that normally on a proper RNDA2 chipset is an easily flick of the switch seemingly wasn’t possible on PS5 and Sony created a solution that is at odds with the industry standard and what’s found on most RDNA2 chipsets.
So the dead horse is now a zombie walking among us.
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SLB1904
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Gordon Freeman
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The point here is industry standards for VRR is what they mention and Sonys solution doesn’t meet industry standards as their VRR solution doesn’t support FPS under 48fps while the standard is 40fps.
Rivet
Member
There was zero stutter in GT7 as much as I could see in the 10 or 12 hours I played. It was 100 % fluid to me. I don't think this game needs VRR at all.
Gordon Freeman
Member
Imagine trying to take this account seriously when debating Sony not doing something great.
Move on folks.
SLB1904
Banned
Sh he's the authority. You know nothing Jon snow
Rivet
Member
VRR standard is 48 Hz for lower bound, it has nothing to do with Sony.
Freesync is 40 Hz lower bound. Not VRR
Even a Xbox fan like Adam just explained that to you... Why double down?
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
No need, you're already drowning this thread in tears.
Ah yes, the warrior on perm notice is definitely going to be forth coming about problems.
Yes, we get it, you all had to wait a year for what should have been a basic feature only for it to be a poor implementation of it and now you're all upset and lashing out.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That'll certainly make it great for me (and a lot of other users I reckon) in the future, not having to worry about buying a new display.
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Rivet
Member
You should take a break before going in full meltdown mode like that. GT7 looks fluid to everybody, it has nothing to do with me. I'm not on perm notice at all by the way, as much as I can tell. I was only banned twice, so less than tons of people here.
VRR coming to PS5 is obviously a good thing. But it's not the game changer people want to make out of it. Most games on PS5 run perfectly fine and don't need that. Which is a good thing because few people have a VRR screen anyway.
The 48 Hz border isn't much of a problem at all either. For once, patched and future games could simply use LFC below 48 fps.
Then most games simply won't need going below 48 because when you target 60 fps (so trying to be locked 60), it's relatively rare you miss the target that much that you drop under 48 regularly. Only From Software could actually make it that bad with Elden Ring...
As a dev, you just failed your 60 fps mode if it often drops under 48... I mean most people don't have VRR, so your mode would be terrible for most gamers anyway. I don't think it will happen very often.
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Mr Moose
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You don't know what you are talking about and didn't even read the OP.
Weird how you didn't mention anything about USB-C from that industry standards quote you linked. Guess which console has that?
The industry standard mentioned on the AMD site is, as it says, HDMI 2.1 VRR.
Has nothing to do with RDNA2 (and neither does USB-C).
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
100% agree its honestly a sad attempt by Sony not supporting Freesync unless its planned eventually in another year and a half
SoloKingRobert
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? You can purchase Xbox Game Studio Games on Cdkeys that's Play Anywhere...
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SLB1904
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I don't know if they are play anywhere
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Nonsense. It meets the vrr standards.
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Can quite easily see every stutter and dip but do go on warrior.
It's a racing game, not a slow walk-a-thon or shooter. A frame that lasts twice as long sticks out like dogs balls.
Yes, we all noticed when you ran and hid for a couple months after your last ban.
8BiTw0LF
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I bought the monitor before the standards got mixed up, so if Eve lied about the HDMI 2.1 certification back then - legally speaking, they are screwed if they can't update the firmware with HDMI Forum VRR. My guess is they bought the cheapest available scaler on the market (from Suzhou Lehui) that's never been fully tested with HDMI 2.1 compliant applications.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
So the new VESA Adaptive Sync is not "real VRR"? It's got the same threshold at 48hz as HDMI Forum VRR.
VESA standard could replace AMD and Nvidia adaptive sync labels
VESA has developed a new adaptive sync standard, and it could replace Nvidia G-Sync and AMD FreeSync branding on gaming monitors and laptop displays
www.pcgamesn.com
MadPanda
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Why Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart's 40fps support is a potential game-changer
A few weeks back, Insomniac patched Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart on PlayStation 5 to introduce a revised version of it…www.eurogamer.net
Game Mode Performance Target Display Mode End-To-End Input Lag
Fidelity Mode 30fps/33.3ms 60Hz 117.5ms
Fidelity Mode 40fps/25ms 120Hz 80.8ms
Performance RT Mode 60fps/16.7ms 60Hz 75ms
Performance RT Mode 60fps/16.7ms 120Hz 60.8ms
You just need a 120Hz screen for this, but with the VRR updates it unlocks the 40fps cap so it can go above it.
I've just read that DF article. Yeah, that's amazing. Thanks for sharing it with me. I hope many other developers include it. Basically, now I want to play every game like that as I have an LG cx in my room. I'm "only" missing ps5 and xsx
games go under 48fps and this solution unlike the competition it doesn't help. So if isn't half backed is simply poorer. that's it
Let's hope they can do something about it
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8BiTw0LF
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You mean games on Series X goes under 48fps. Right now there's only one game that goes under 48fps on PS5 - Elden Ring.
Bernd Lauert
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GT7 can drop to 40 fps in very busy scenes. Bloodhunt just came out on PS5 and drops regularly below 48 on quality mode and sometimes even in performance mode. Stranger of Paradise regularly runs below 48 fps in all modes afaik. Lego Star Wars regularly drops below 48 fps. I bet there are many more examples, these are just very recent games. Looks like your "zinger" backfired.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
Sustained frame rates under 48fps maybe but loads dip under 48fps.
Just look through some minimum frame rates in VGTech videos where the stats are linked.
Lego TSS 37 FPS
Bloodhunt 41 FPS in performance mode / 32 FPS in quality mode
Stranger of Paradise 38 FPS
GT7 44 FPS
Death Stranding 41 FPS in quality mode
Diablo 2 Resurrected 44 FPS
Deathloop 40 FPS in quality mode
Guardians of the Galaxy 39FPS
RE Village 42 FPS
Returnal 46 FPS
Arioco
Member
Unless they're planning on releasing Freesync for their TVs too... definitely not going to happen in another 10 years.
Sometimes Sony's policies are really hard to understand. They don't support 1440p (even though users have been asking for it since PS4 Pro) because it's "a PC standard". Still a lot of TVs support it nowadays. They don't support Freesync because it's "a PC thing", but again, more and more TVs support it. The fact is a lot of people game on their PC monitors, so SONY is basically pushing those people towards MS, that is more than willing to support all of those features, of course.
s-bojan
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OK, I've run a few more tests. Here are the results:
Reverse track, one less car on track, cars are less detailed. It is still having big frame drops in same spots, but no minor drops.
More cars on a track. Big frame drops are the same, no minor drops.
I've let the other cars pass me at the end of the 1st lap, but I was still having big frame drops during the 2nd lap. So those are obviously not car related.
Repeated the 1st test I've did, but with prioritize frame rate selected. No changes, it was still dropping frames.
So, what's the conclusion?
It seems that there are parts of this track that are problematic and having a more detailed car near you can drop fps below 60 in other parts as well.
To be honest, big frame drops were not bothering me that much, as they were only occurring in a specific parts of the track and they did not last long.
But small ones almost made me sick after driving the whole 5 lap race. Almost constant frame drops on v-synced content bother me a lot.
Would VRR help here? Well, not when the fps goes below 48 (unless PD implements LFC), but it would smooth the small drops in the 55-60 range (they would still be noticeable, but would not bother me that much).
Let's hope that PD will patch the game and fix the issues.
Just to mention one more time that this is the worst case scenario I've experienced so far (I've maybe finished 1/3 of the campaign). The fps is mostly stable.
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bushwookie
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01011001
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well even before they unified it most of the features were simply a suggestion. that's I guess why they unified it in the first place, because in the end HDMI 2.1 didn't have any standout features that weren't already available for 2.0, all it really brought to the table was high bandwidths.
most HDMI 2.1 "certified" screens simply use the higher bandwidth in order to support 4K120hz and nothing else.
Strategically there are questions about value of these policies - as you point out (actual market impact is likely trivial in either direction - but a lost user is a lost user).
But it's not really that hard to understand, they've been pretty consistent with working with TV standards first for multiple decades now. PS2 launched with HDTV video-out support, but not VGA P-Scan for instance (hw was capable of everything, but they explicitly didn't bother with 480P until nearly 2 years later). And the rest of 00s continued that trend across all their consoles.
8BiTw0LF
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One of the HDMI 2.1 features are VRR. All the HDMI 2.1 TV's/monitors that came out before "unified" HDMI (except Eve Spectrum 4K) supports HDMI VRR.
SLB1904
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Thanks for this seems like to be a glitch, like the same I found in tsukuba, if this track gets pick for the competition which honestly I have little hope for it be one of those. They will definitely catch that for competition. If not well lets see if someone at polyphony sees it because they aren't really that communicative...
01011001
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I bet you can find some 2.1 TVs that don't support VRR, especially early 2.1 TVs.
it is weird tho that they haven't patched it in, as it shouldn't be hard to do for a screen that already supports other forms of VRR.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
Yes, if it supports 48gbps it should be able to do VRR. Haven't come across a reddit post etc. that stated any HDMI 2.1 TV/monitor not supporting PS5 - except Eve Spectrum. It's really weird.
Shmunter
Member
Ok, finally got of my ass and tested VRR on my 85” TCL C825. Amazing set by the way, destroys my previously returned Samsung Q95T.
Anyway, the gist:
Pros -
- Local dimming works perfectly
- No flicker or any odd contrast or black issues amazingly
Tried the Free to play Bloodhunt as the quality mode is not a locked 60
Pros
- Helps alleviate some stutter, but
Cons
- Game clearly falls below the 48fps threshold and still stutters making it pretty pointless at this performance level
- Horrible inverse ghosting with VRR enabled, the likes I haven’t seen since owning the Samsung which ghosted even when fixed hz.
- The inverse ghosting seems a problem with 60hz VRR, 120hz seems to eliminate the issue from what I can tell. Unusable at 60 for me due to the inverse ghosting.
Tried a few other titles, but everything is mostly locked as it is so trying to find anything that stands out is difficult, most things being 60hz ghosted like cray despite being locked at 60.
For my particular set, Sony would need to lock the console at 120.
Caution to all those that are buying TV’s for VRR - depending on how sensitive you are to iq issues, you just don’t know what you may experience. Probably the safest bet is OLED.
Anyway, the gist:
Pros -
- Local dimming works perfectly
- No flicker or any odd contrast or black issues amazingly
Tried the Free to play Bloodhunt as the quality mode is not a locked 60
Pros
- Helps alleviate some stutter, but
Cons
- Game clearly falls below the 48fps threshold and still stutters making it pretty pointless at this performance level
- Horrible inverse ghosting with VRR enabled, the likes I haven’t seen since owning the Samsung which ghosted even when fixed hz.
- The inverse ghosting seems a problem with 60hz VRR, 120hz seems to eliminate the issue from what I can tell. Unusable at 60 for me due to the inverse ghosting.
Tried a few other titles, but everything is mostly locked as it is so trying to find anything that stands out is difficult, most things being 60hz ghosted like cray despite being locked at 60.
For my particular set, Sony would need to lock the console at 120.
Caution to all those that are buying TV’s for VRR - depending on how sensitive you are to iq issues, you just don’t know what you may experience. Probably the safest bet is OLED.
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ignorance: the post ?
edit: here we go another example just in the post before this one
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01011001
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and GT7, and RE8, and... well... many more
Dust-by-Monday
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This has been the plan all along. From the very beginning, Sony were very careful to always say HDMI Forum VRR and they never ever said anything about FreeSync. I knew this would happen, that's why I've been trying to find an actual HDMI 2.1 monitor with actual HDMI 2.1 Forum VRR for a long time.
01011001
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I'm for one am just happy that my old HDMI 2.0 Samsung had stealth support for HDMI VRR all along lol... although be it only for a single HDMI port
Gordon Freeman
Member
Thank you for clarifying that Sony’s solution is missing even more support like Freesync.
Thanks for helping double down on the truth that the PS5 solution is inferior and likely due to the decisions Sony made with their chipset.
MikeM
Member
If Sony is using the hdmi 2.1 standard, then its probably to ensure general compatibility with current and future sets.
A small percentage of people have vrr sets. An even smaller percentage have Freesync capable sets. Investing and deploying the general VRR standard makes a lot of sense.
I say this as an owner of both consoles and a LG OLED.
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assurdum
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It's not the "sony solution" lol. In any case VRR or freesync doesn't "fix" magically drops below 48 fps in any case, just to say.
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01011001
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more TVs than not that support VRR also support Freesync and most PC monitors are the same, it's actually only Sony TVs that don't... which is also why the PS5 doesn't...
Vizio, Samsung, LG, TCL, Philips, Xiaomi
here's an incomplete list of TVs that support Freesync (use the desktop site if you are on mobile as the mobile site sucks)
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