Terminator Dark Fate bombs at the Box Office

highrider

Banned
Yes, because the anti-woke brigade is happy to have under developed male heroes or pre-developed (as in their character has been an assassin/murderer for years before the movie starts) male heroes but will bitch and moan about any recent female hero no matter what.
Right, Alita Battle Angel is a good example of an action female lead done right. Atomic Blonde is a good example of a female John Wick. She’s also a pre-packaged bad ass. And yeah, it’s hard to suspend disbelief when a 135 pound model with zero muscle mass and development is beating up a dozen special forces dudes. At least Keanu put in the work on the range and in the gym to sell the physicality of the role.
 
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TUROK

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Yes, because the anti-woke brigade is happy to have under developed male heroes or pre-developed (as in their character has been an assassin/murderer for years before the movie starts) male heroes but will bitch and moan about any recent female hero no matter what.
I noticed this when people were bitching about Charlize Theron taking on big guys in Atomic Blonde.

Dudes will complain about that but they won't bat an eye when John Wick fights for hours without losing much stamina, wears an actual goddamn suit lined with kevlar so he's pretty much impervious to bullets, or gets thrown of balconies and buildings without dying or spending months in the hospital.

Right, Alita Battle Angel is a good example of an action female lead done right. Atomic Blonde is a good example of a female John Wick. She’s also a pre-packaged bad ass. And yeah, it’s hard to suspend disbelief when a 135 pound model with zero muscle mass and development is beating up a dozen special forces dudes. At least Keanu put in the work on the range and in the gym to sell the physicality of the role.
Lmao, right on cue.

Charlize also put in tons of work to do her own fight scenes, and her background in gymnastics helped in keeping the takes between cuts as long as they were.
 
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DeafTourette

Older than air but younger than the foundations of the earth
Yeah, being woke doesn’t help but I think the last films have been so bad people aren’t trying to waste their coin at the theater.
I can say for myself I’m kind of over films that feature predominantly female action leads. It’s not entertaining to watch another Rey defeat everyone with ease. I think the woke thing is not allowing them to write female characters with vulnerability, and it’s hard to relate to perfect characters.

Defeat everyone with ease? The Grace character kept getting her butt handed to her by the Rev 9 Terminator.
It took her, Arnold aka Carl AAAAAAND Sarah Connor to take home down. It was Ultimately Carl who saved the day again. Not Grace. Not Dani. Carl.
 
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One of the big issues I had with the film was when
the Rev9 crashed a drone into the group and a bunch of border patrol agents. Yet afterwards the border patrol agents just carried on with business as usual and put them in a cell with gen pop without even locking the base down. Like wtf someone just crashed one of your own drones into your own guys killing a bunch of em and you don't even lock down the base? I mean all they had to do was check the drone control stations and they would have found four dead people and put the base on lockdown. I mean if you got four dead bodies in a control station without anyone noticing an intruder leaving or entering then obviously operational security has been compromised.
Shit irks me to hell :lollipop_worried::lollipop_worried::lollipop_worried::lollipop_worried:
 
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DeafTourette

Older than air but younger than the foundations of the earth
One of the big issues I had with the film was when
the Rev9 crashed a drone into the group and a bunch of border patrol agents. Yet afterwards the border patrol agents just carried on with business as usual and put them in a cell with gen pop without even locking the base down. Like wtf someone just crashed one of your own drones into your own guys killing a bunch of em and you don't even lock down the base? I mean all they had to do was check the drone control stations and they would have found four dead people and put the base on lockdown.
Shit irks me to hell :lollipop_worried::lollipop_worried::lollipop_worried::lollipop_worried:

Yeah that made no sense at all. Enjoyable flick otherwise.
 

DeafTourette

Older than air but younger than the foundations of the earth
And Grace had plenty of vulnerability... Emotionally and physically. People saying she's a Mary Sue or owning everyone and everything have not only NOT seen the movie, but have no idea what the frak they're talking about!
 

highrider

Banned
I noticed this when people were bitching about Charlize Theron taking on big guys in Atomic Blonde.

Dudes will complain about that but they won't bat an eye when John Wick fights for hours without losing much stamina, wears an actual goddamn suit lined with kevlar so he's pretty much impervious to bullets, or gets thrown of balconies and buildings without dying or spending months in the hospital.

Lmao, right on cue.

Charlize also put in tons of work to do her own fight scenes, and her background in gymnastics helped in keeping the takes between cuts as long as they were.

If you find that believable that a tall, slender woman is wrecking large males with training more power to you, but I find it kind of ridiculous. Both are power fantasy films so it’s ok, but John Wick is far more believable in the role for me personally. Not because he’s a male either. And they have female characters that are in John Wick that are badasses as well, and I personally find them more believable. Charlize is a good physical actor, but she still looks like a supermodel.
 

highrider

Banned
And Grace had plenty of vulnerability... Emotionally and physically. People saying she's a Mary Sue or owning everyone and everything have not only NOT seen the movie, but have no idea what the frak they're talking about!

Yeah I haven’t seen the film, probably won’t anytime soon but the marketing and commercials kind of gave me that vibe. And of course she’s up against a more advanced terminator, my understanding is it’s pretty much Terminator 2 repackaged.
 

DeafTourette

Older than air but younger than the foundations of the earth
Yeah I haven’t seen the film, probably won’t anytime soon but the marketing and commercials kind of gave me that vibe. And of course she’s up against a more advanced terminator, my understanding is it’s pretty much Terminator 2 repackaged.

The movie was quite enjoyable. It had some callbacks to T2 but I wouldn't call it a clone of T2.
 
I still get pissed thinking about the cliff hanger ending in Sarah Connor Chronicles. Such fucking bullshit.

 

sol_bad

Member
I've never watched Sarah Chronicles because I knew it was cancelled without an ending. Was it released on Fox?
 
I've never watched Sarah Chronicles because I knew it was cancelled without an ending. Was it released on Fox?

Yes, just like Almost Human which was the best sci-fi TV show released in the past decade. SCC was overall good but had some flaws being a one hour show but the overall story arc was really good and it was going places.

Almost Human was so damn good though, excellent world building, production values, acting, writing. You could tell the people behind the show really put their heart into what they were making. Oh and Fox aired the episodes out of order again with Almost Human just like they did with Firefly. I'm pretty sure Fox aired some SCC episodes out of order as well (could be wrong on that one)

Almost Human has a 87% community rating on rotten tomatoes with nearly 500 reviews which shows that people really loved it.

I'm ranting but I get more pissed about Almost Human then SCC or Firefly.
 
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oagboghi2

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Yes, because the anti-woke brigade is happy to have under developed male heroes or pre-developed (as in their character has been an assassin/murderer for years before the movie starts) male heroes but will bitch and moan about any recent female hero no matter what.
John Wick could be a guy or a woman, the movie would still be popular becuase the character isn’t the reason why the movie is popular.

Then victimhood complex you have becuase people don’t kiss the ass of any female lead in a movie is funny to watch as well. You have gone from “this movie isn’t woke at all” to “well, if you don’t like it, you are anti female hero.” Whatever the fuck that means.
 

Azurro

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High rider wrote:
"I think the woke thing is not allowing them to write female characters with vulnerability, and it’s hard to relate to perfect characters."

So what is John Wicks vulnerability? How is he not perfect?

I think you are just annoyed that the "get woke, go broke" mantra came true once again.

I think you love the woke stuff, love to promote it and are pretty annoyed it failed, so now you are doing everything you can to make it look like it didn't fail because of it.
 
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MilkyJoe

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Yes, because the anti-woke brigade is happy to have under developed male heroes or pre-developed (as in their character has been an assassin/murderer for years before the movie starts) male heroes but will bitch and moan about any recent female hero no matter what.

Oh give it a rest you soppy tart. If you can't see the narrative while your head is up your arse smelling those virtue farts, then that's your problem. Leave the discussion to the unindoctrinated.
 

sol_bad

Member
I think you are just annoyed that the "get woke, go broke" mantra came true once again.

I think you love the woke stuff, love to promote it and are pretty annoyed it failed, so now you are doing everything you can to make it look like it didn't fail because of it.

Not true at all, I can tell when something is actually "woke" and an example of that is the new Batwoman show. The trailer was so horrible that it repulsed me and I could never let myself watch it. Shitting all over Batmans legacy in that 2 minute trailer was enough for me to say "nope" and I hope that fails.
 

MilkyJoe

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Not true at all, I can tell when something is actually "woke" and an example of that is the new Batwoman show. The trailer was so horrible that it repulsed me and I could never let myself watch it. Shitting all over Batmans legacy in that 2 minute trailer was enough for me to say "nope" and I hope that fails.

The fact that a Terminator movie, a series predominantly aimed at the male market, that followed Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Oceans etc down the rabbit hole of the all female lead route, is enough to stick it in the woke box.

It went broke, ergo it's woke. Especially when the director says "it's going to scare the fuck out of misogynists" before the thing released. The other thing that it did that you can be sure it's in the woke, is it pulled a "let the past die" It literally killed off both John Conner and the Skynet from universe, destroying franchises is the hallmark of the woke soy-based Holly-weird director.

What you weirdo, crazy, lefties don't understand, nae, ignore, is that no matter how hard you try to pretend there are not gendered preferences and gender roles etc, there are. The reality is that women generally do not really like action and Sci Fi movies. And men don't really like action and Sci Fi movies aimed at women with the political narrative that women are great and men suck. Especially when said movie is a re-hash of a classic. - this is why they all bomb.

What you are experiencing with Bat-girl is someone fucking with something you hold dear. You see, anything you don't have a vested interest in is fair game to the woke brigade, but as someone fucks with something you hold dear then it's a different story - See The Mary Sue, queens of the woke brigade, but completely lost their shit over a black Buffy reboot


I wonder how you would feel if someone told you to suck it up - Batman is not for you any more... You see what it's like?
 

sol_bad

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You haven't seen the film have you?
It's far better than Salvations giant robot sneaking up on a building with no noise.

Use your own brain, watch the film, form your own opinion. Or else, shut the fuck up and stop trying to push other people's opinions as your own.

Like I just said about Batwoman, I won't watch it due to the marketing but I also won't try and push my own "opinion" of the show because I haven't watched it. I won't link to videos and articles showing how terrible it is. And I know those videos exist.

Also, I might be left leaning but politics don't rule my life. I try to avoid politics as much as possible. I don't post in the politics forum. Also my wife is right leaning.
 
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MilkyJoe

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As you have shown you do not care, you won't have to be in this thread anymore. Lay off the childish insults and act like an adult from here on out, yea?
You haven't seen the film have you? - Of course not.
It's far better than Salvations giant robot sneaking up on a building with no noise. - I don't care

Use your own brain, watch the film, form your own opinion. Or else, shut the fuck up and stop trying to push other people's opinions as your own. - Touchie little bitch arsen't you. I don't need to watch it, as I already said 1) the director started with the misogyny shit before it released killing any desire to suport the silly c*nt .. And 2) I'm not interested in a soy remake that kills past canon. So you shut the fuck up, you weak minded little mincer.

Like I just said about Batwoman, I won't watch it due to the marketing but I also won't try and push my own "opinion" of the show because I haven't watched it. I won't link to videos and articles showing how terrible it is. And I know those videos exist. _ how comes you are allowed to not watch Batwoman because of the marketing and others are not? You are pushing your opinion without watching it, you literally just did it up there.

Also, I might be left leaning but politics don't rule my life. I try to avoid politics as much as possible. I don't post in the politics forum. Also my wife is right leaning. What about your wife's boyfriend?
 
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Kenpachii

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The reason why they went to woke way is because the series is dead. They hoped to revive it by attracting some soyboys watching this movie. Because no girl is interested in this type of movie even remotely.

Sadly they realize that soy market is rather small and more a loud minority and basically killed of there franchise while they where at it. If it wasn't dead already.

The same as with ghostbusters. The only reason it got made was to push a progressive agenda of 4 girls trying to mimic 4 men.. Sadly a chick rather watches "i cried 2 long nights when my boyfriend betrayed me" movie then a bunch of tomgirls fighting ghosts in a heavy action packed story.
 
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jason10mm

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The actress playing Grace definitely put in the gym time, she looked tough as hell, even discounting her implants. Almost made her dialogue not match since she has a soft spoken voice.

I'm almost convinced they didnt stay with John connor because they were convinced that a female resistance fighter and JC MUST fuck, so the only way to sidestep the forced romance was to have all chicks. Same with a female protector terminator and JC (this was definitely where SCC was headed, if not already in the show, I dont remember).

So it was actually refreshing that Grace and Dani had a totally platonic relationship and
grace wasnt a child concubine of dani in the future
 

Doczu

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I'm almost convinced they didnt stay with John connor because they were convinced that a female resistance fighter and JC MUST fuck, so the only way to sidestep the forced romance was to have all chicks.
With the way Furlong looks, they could gave made him a hobo wreck of a man that couldn't live up to his mother standards after SkyNet was defeated 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
The actress playing Grace definitely put in the gym time, she looked tough as hell, even discounting her implants. Almost made her dialogue not match since she has a soft spoken voice.

I'm almost convinced they didnt stay with John connor because they were convinced that a female resistance fighter and JC MUST fuck, so the only way to sidestep the forced romance was to have all chicks. Same with a female protector terminator and JC (this was definitely where SCC was headed, if not already in the show, I dont remember).

So it was actually refreshing that Grace and Dani had a totally platonic relationship and
grace wasnt a child concubine of dani in the future

Well it did, Summer Glau was the female protector terminator in SCC but at the end
it kind of flip flopped, the Summer Glau terminator gave up her main processing chip effectively killing that unit. But the units likeness was based upon a real person and when John time traveled to the future he found the human Summer Glau that the terminator was based on.

However John did have a T-1000 variant accompany him to the future played by Shirley Manson but she had her own mission which was not prioritized around protecting John.
 

MisterHero

Super Member
They could have Sarah come across a kid Kyle Reese but I suppose both SCC and Genisys did that already

Sarah raising Kyle? lol time travel
 

JayK47

Member
Finally watched this. I thought it was a lot better than I was expecting. They were giving out free posters at the theater, so that was cool. Hoping the Blu Ray will add in some more scenes with Arnold.
 
I thought it was fine, I was entertained most of the movie.. some of the overt "GIRL POWER" kind of stuff was a little eye-roll-inducing but it wasn't horrible or anything.

However, the more you stop to think about literally any part of it.. the more it falls apart. I'm content to just let it be I guess and know I enjoyed it. Doubt it becomes any kind of classic or movie I'll watch again in all honestly.

I'd rate it below Salvation but above Genisys. I feel like it had the potential to be above 3 as well, but it just went too all-over-the-place for my tastes.
 

Hinedorf

Banned
There seems to be a giant misconception on what made the Terminator series great. Terminator 2 was an absolute technological marvel with the T-1000 liquid metal character that truly stepped up the sense of desperation and also what could truly be done in a modern day sci fi horror movie.

Since Terminator 2, everything about the series has been nothing more than below average CGI/special effects that cause the Terminator movies to not standout from any other action movie other than a continued rehash of similar action sequences completely poached from Terminator 2.

How many times we gonna have a chase scene in a sewer? Following T2 the story, action, special effects have all lacked any originality or progression to make the story or machine technology feel more threatening than before.

Speaking of of being unoriginal, Linda and Arnold? They were really great in 1984...... do old people often make great action movies?
 

MisterHero

Super Member
Speaking of of being unoriginal, Linda and Arnold? They were really great in 1984...... do old people often make great action movies?
It might be me but I think a lot of people just want the classics rather than these modern nobodies.

Sure there's The Rock but he's everywhere now. I'm actually more happy that Batista is doing well, but they just don't compare.

Harrison Ford helped carry TFA, Hamill could've stolen all the sequels except, well, you know.

I'm sure people will see Indy 5 if it gets made.

also i'm curious how they would bring shatner back to star trek >:)
 

Hinedorf

Banned
It might be me but I think a lot of people just want the classics rather than these modern nobodies.

Sure there's The Rock but he's everywhere now. I'm actually more happy that Batista is doing well, but they just don't compare.

Harrison Ford helped carry TFA, Hamill could've stolen all the sequels except, well, you know.

I'm sure people will see Indy 5 if it gets made.

also i'm curious how they would bring shatner back to star trek >:)

Okay but the old folks are just nostalgia boosters at best. Who are the main characters of this new Star Wars trilogy? Kylo, Rey, Finn, Poe = made a billion (guestimation)

Dark Fate as I read by Cameron was set to be a new trilogy and who were the main characters? Sorry to be insensitive but....... nostalgia boosters and a couple mexicans with zero star quality = mega losses

And I'll just say this, if the Rock had been in the new Terminator movie, it would have at least made it's money back on his name power alone which is exactly what Arnold's used to garner.
 
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Is it really a situation of get woke go broke when the whole pre.ise was just trash to begin with? People are tired of Terminators going back in time.
 

sol_bad

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Movies these days aren't about star power, it's about brand recognition unfortunately.

The next movies that star Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth or Scarlet Johansson aren't going to make millions just because the world knows about them from the MCU films.
People won't flock to the cinemas for the next Joaquin Phoenix film.

It's unfortunate but true.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
I watched T2 super extended edition last night. It ended with Sarah as an old lady and John playing with his kids. If they'd left that in, all these shitty sequels would never have happened.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
By the end of T2, the T800 started to understand emotions.
Also, John Conner told his T800 toy not to kill people. The T800 made the decision itself to start shooting people in the legs, no one ordered him to do that.
That's because he had his chip reset so he could learn.
By default it wouldn't have.
So who removed Carl's chip and reset it?
 

sol_bad

Member
That's because he had his chip reset so he could learn.
By default it wouldn't have.
So who removed Carl's chip and reset it?

That's only in the extended cut, not the theatrical cut.
The theatrical cut is Cameron's proper intent. Makes it more interesting that he can learn things even when his chip is set so he doesn't learn.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
That's only in the extended cut, not the theatrical cut.
The theatrical cut is Cameron's proper intent. Makes it more interesting that he can learn things even when his chip is set so he doesn't learn.

I believe everyone just watches the extended cut, the added scene are just too good.
And technically is the original intended version.
theatrical cuts only exist to meet run time limits.
 
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MisterHero

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Movies these days aren't about star power, it's about brand recognition unfortunately.

The next movies that star Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth or Scarlet Johansson aren't going to make millions just because the world knows about them from the MCU films.
People won't flock to the cinemas for the next Joaquin Phoenix film.

It's unfortunate but true.
The actors are the brand to me. That and the music and art direction.

Arnold's accent and presence made him the perfect person to play the T-800, and so on. Some actors can make a role theirs but some actors just are the characters.

Maybe I'm a crazy person though. ;p
 

sol_bad

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I believe everyone just watches the extended cut, the added scene are just too good.
And technically is the original intended version.
theatrical cuts only exist to meet run time limits.

Cameron from the T2 commentary:
"I still stand by the release version of the film. I don't think we needed that dream sequence. I think we made the right decisions editorially and I think that the dream sequence and some of the other things that we put back in for the extended version are good to sort of show the creative process, but, you know, essentially, making a film is an analytical and a reductive process. You throw away the things you don't need."
 

Dada55000

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Cameron from the T2 commentary:
"I still stand by the release version of the film. I don't think we needed that dream sequence. I think we made the right decisions editorially and I think that the dream sequence and some of the other things that we put back in for the extended version are good to sort of show the creative process, but, you know, essentially, making a film is an analytical and a reductive process. You throw away the things you don't need."
Should have thrown away the Cyberdyne subplot like in T1. That's something that the movie didn't need. It's a 30 minute sidequest that nukes the pacing of the movie and the T1000 literally peaces out for the duration and then shows up once it's over. Arnie shoots 4 strategically placed cop cars with the minigun. How lame. Only neat thing was him kneecapping 12 swat officers, it was charmingly robotic.

Shows what you know JC, you hack.
 

Dada55000

Member
Cyberdyne ...... subplot?
It's half the film if not more.
No? There's a couple of pick-up shots of Cyberdyne, Dyson, the chip and hand pepperred in early on, which is what like 2 minutes total? The subplot is set up during the drive to wherever when Arnie says the shit was invented by Miles Dyson, then pause for character development and setting up some of the weapons that will be used, which is the same beat as the part in T1 when they make pipebombs. Up until this point T2 beat for beat matches T1. At this point it veeres off into Sarah's home invasion of Dyson and then the trip to Cyberdyne, with lame action because our goodguys can't earnestly fuck up anyone. T1000 is nowhere to be seen until the end when he commanders or steals a helicopter, I don't remember which one. This whole thing takes about 30 minutes, and once it's done T2 goes back to matching T1 beat for beat, big final truck chase, end up at industrial plant, terminator dies. Fin.

That's why it feels like a complete bolted on tangent, because T2 is a carbon copy of T1, except for that half hour of plot shit when the chase is put on hold, the T1000 fucks off, and the movie wastes as much time as possible to wrap up the subplot before going back to being T1 again. The movie is long as shit, but it doesn't feel its length, except for that Cyberdyne part, which just kills the movie's momentum dead.
 
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