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TGA Game Trailers YouTube Likes/Dislikes Ratio

MMaRsu

Member
After TLoU 2 is obvious why people are super concerned about anything shown by ND. And if the reveal show a stereotyped asian bald woman in space (Alien: Romulus have basically the same character lol) and a woman copy of Jena Plissken, yeah, I see why there's some concern.

Last Alien movie for reference:
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Looks like she's modeled after the actress
 

SF Kosmo

Banned
Pretty sure 10 millions is about half of what the first game sold tho.
Sorry, I should clarify, 10 million in 18 months, which is far more than TLOU1 sold in that time. I don't know the lifetimes sales but I would bet they're higher unless we're including the remake. The game was an unqualified commercial success, and trying to make that seem otherwise is goofy.

Also, TLoU 2 gameplay was goty, but the amount of criticism it got compared to the first one is insane, so is obvious that their fanbase is more critical about anything they'll do now.

Sure, but my point is that the criticism isn't representative of the audience writ large, it's just people who are more bought into to grifter world than gaming.
 

Kotaro

Member
I like how some people are downplaying the downvotes and that they won't translate to the actual sales. Well, if that's the case, then why has youtube started hiding dislikes and the overall ratio?

Youtube likes/dislikes ratio correlates well to the game sales performance, SW: Outlaws, Concord, DA: Veilguard, and other flopped games have dislikes more than likes count
 

proandrad

Member
I think it’s foolish to think the naughty dog game is only getting ratio’d because of the girl boss thing. The Witcher 4 has the same girl boss vibes, same comments criticizing the girl boss thing, yet like to dislike lean heavy to the like. Just because the loudest comments are complaining about the main character being a butch looking woman doesn’t mean everyone that dislikes it, is solely for that reason. This is coming from someone who loved TLOUP2.
 
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ZehDon

Member
Do you think the fact that neither of those games were very good had anything to do with their commercial disappointment rather than just character design?

Overwatch does just fine with its characters. Concord bombed because it was bland and redundant in the marketplace, with nothing special to offer. Outlaws was a mediocre game with C- reviews, and underperformed in the same way as the first Watch Dogs title for similar reasons. You are shoe-horning these into the grifter narrative about "woke character design."

Obviously some people do care about that kind of thing, but not enough to meaningfully hinder the commercial performance of other big Sony games like TLOU2, Horizon, and Spider-Man 2, all of which faces similar blowback from the griftosphere.
Are you talking to someone else? Because I never mentioned "woke" in my post, nor commented on the character design.
Star Wars Outlaws, a sci-fi game with a throwback (albeit IP-appropriate) aesthetic staring a non-white female protagonist bounty hunter, has considerable conceptual overlap with the overly-generic "Intergalactic". And Outlaws' concept was basically dead on arrival. Concord's narrative presentation was, essentially, "Marvel: The worst bits: The Video Game". As of right now, according to game director Neil Druckmann, "Intergalactic" is "Anime inspired". Unlike Kojima, who wields that particular influence on his sleeve in a very 90s fashion with aplomb, Naughty Dog's attempt here is surface level at best. As someone who grew up on 90s anime, this feels pretty fucking dry in comparison, frankly. Eye-patches, self-awareness, and red jackets don't give me Akira, it gives me "Western Dev known for over-produced melodrama pretends to be hip". The result leans less into Patlabor and more into Concord's particular brand of self-aware 2020s drivel. And Concord wasn't just rejected, it was actively spat back into Sony's face because audiences around the world are done with this stuff because it's fucking everywhere. Naughty Dog's brand new franchise is a concept gamers already rejected and they're presenting it with stylings that was also already rejected. And they didn't give anyone anything else in their trailer, so that's what we're seeing play out. I really do hope the game isn't just the Bloodborne + Guardians of the Galaxy pretending to be Bubble Gum Crisis it looks like. Because if that's what they've spent the last five years on, I suspect Naughty Dog will be re-structuring again, back down to a single team studio.
 

DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
Lmao imagine disliking a trailer because you didnt like the main character in it.

Before knowing anything about how any of it plays.

Pathetic

Its all CG trailers too, which says nothing about the game.

Also not sure this is thread worthy but I dont want to thread whine
OMG disliking a trailer JUST because you dislike the main character in the trailer! What a crazy thing to do!!!!
 

Zacfoldor

Member
ND has doubled down on TLOU2's worst instincts and is clearly out of touch with society.

I'm glad they are making art, but they should be making popular art if they want to sell this shit.

It's a shame, because their popular art is so good, but they refuse to make it because they are too fucking woke.

Disappointed Gordon Ramsay GIF by BBC


Suckle their jimmies all you want, but the gameplay was never the reason TLOU was good. It's a story game. THIS is a story game. The MC and how they look then, become quite important. They should have just given us a character creator instead of this.
 
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Madflavor

Member
ND has doubled down on TLOU2's worst instincts and is clearly out of touch with society.

I'm glad they are making art, but they should be making popular art if they want to sell this shit.

It's a shame, because their popular art is so good, but they refuse to make it because they are too fucking woke.

Disappointed Gordon Ramsay GIF by BBC


Suckle their jimmies all you want, but the gameplay was never the reason TLOU was good. It's a story game. THIS is a story game. The MC and how they look then, become quite important. They should have just given us a character creator instead of this.

My issue with it is we've got a setting that wants to go for the retro 80s sci-fi vibes, evoking feelings of watching things like Cowboy Bebop. But the design of the protagonist is very "modern audiences" in it's approach, so it clashes with the tone and style of the world. It just doesn't work for me. This character looks like she belongs in TLOU.
 

yurinka

Member
The anti-woke brigaders are the same types of people as the woke brigaders. They just chose a different team.
This post is almost as stupid as to say that anti nazis/antiracists are the same than nazis/racists.

Being against a group that hates people of certain skin color/gender/sexual preference/etc (in this case the woke activists) and their propaganda doesn't make you the same as them.
 
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SF Kosmo

Banned
My issue with it is we've got a setting that wants to go for the retro 80s sci-fi vibes, evoking feelings of watching things like Cowboy Bebop. But the design of the protagonist is very "modern audiences" in it's approach, so it clashes with the tone and style of the world. It just doesn't work for me. This character looks like she belongs in TLOU.
Yeah I can't think of any famous analog sci-fi series with an iconic main character with a shaved head that this is clearly evoking.

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I think the MC looks to be Southeast Asian, not black, but of course a)It’s the future and b)Who the heck knows.

I don’t think people are disliking the trailer because the MC is a woman of color. Folks are tired of the super liberal trend in last 5-6 years in gaming and usually the associated narrative. That narrative also has normally terrible writing and humor attached to it.
What is the narrative? Naughty Dog isn’t associated with terrible writing and humor so how does this apply to them?
 

grvg

Member
Genuine q - How do these third party dislike counters even work? Is the dislike info able to be scraped somehow?

I'm pretty sure youtube didn't remove the data, they just removed it's visibility. Anyone can dislike, the count is just not visible.

It's not just people who have the app installed.
 
I found TLOU2 and everything Druckman did with that pretty meh, it different strokes and all that.
Are we talking about 2 different things? Is it because it’s woke or because the story is bad? I’m sorry if I seem to be asking you to answer for the collective but I just can’t get my head around the negative narrative going around about Naughty Dog and I’ve really been trying to understand.
 

StereoVsn

Gold Member
Are we talking about 2 different things? Is it because it’s woke or because the story is bad? I’m sorry if I seem to be asking you to answer for the collective but I just can’t get my head around the negative narrative going around about Naughty Dog and I’ve really been trying to understand.
I found the story contrived, changes to Ellie mid, Abby terrible and the whole thing unpleasant. Dropped the game halfway.

Others may have different ideas.

Edit: Oh and Double F you to Druckman for killing off Joel with a god damn golf club.
 
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Lupin25

Member
as we can see with SW:Outlaws, Concord, Dragon Age: Veilguard, YouTube likes/dislikes ratio correlate to sales performance. Those games have high dislikes count (more than likes count)

Those came with gameplay. This didn’t.
 

EN250

Member
Lmao imagine disliking a trailer because you didnt like the main character in it.

Before knowing anything about how any of it plays.

Pathetic

Its all CG trailers too, which says nothing about the game.

Also not sure this is thread worthy but I dont want to thread whine
What kind of cosooomer logic is this? People should praise it just because even if they don't like aspects of the "game"? Which has nothing to praise, it's just some CGI bs with all the cliches from better times but made today for modern audiences

There is nothing but pop-culture ripoffs from the 70s-80s-90s

"oh, look! she has a not-light saber like in those SW movies"
"oh, look! CDs and CRTs are back like in the 80s"
"eye-patches are cool/edgy again"
And so on... "bu... but muh Naughty Doges" :rolleyes:
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Fwiw, I never downvote a YT video I dislike, because YT counts downvotes as engagement, just like they count upvotes. So, downvoting helps to push the video forward in the algorithm (not for you personally, but generally).
 
I found the story contrived, changes to Ellie mid, Abby terrible and the whole thing unpleasant. Dropped the game halfway.

Others may have different ideas.

Edit: Oh and Double F you to Druckman for killing off Joel with a god damn golf club.
So it’s not a woke thing? You just simply didn’t like the game.
 

Stuart360

Member
Saw the Witcher 4 dislikes and was like 'daaaamn'. then i saw Intergalctic lol.

Still the Intergalactic thread on here is already at 35 pages in a day. ND still have that pull regardlress.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
Fwiw, I never downvote a YT video I dislike, because YT counts downvotes as engagement, just like they count upvotes. So, downvoting helps to push the video forward in the algorithm (not for you personally, but generally).
Watching the video also counts as engagement and helps to push it forward in the algorithm. Clicking dislike helps keep it out of the feeds of people with similar engagement patterns as you and helps keep videos similar to it out of your feed.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Watching the video also counts as engagement and helps to push it forward in the algorithm.

I know, but I don't know if I dislike it until I watch it... After that, I don't want to help it out more than necessary.

Clicking dislike helps keep it out of the feeds of people with similar engagement patterns as you and helps keep videos similar to it out of your feed.

Yeah, like I said, it pushes it out to the public generally, not you personally. I didn't realize it did that for people with similar engagement patterns as me, though, so that's news to me.
 

StereoVsn

Gold Member
I played through game twice and it never even entered my mind. It wasn’t until I started coming to these boards I would’ve even associated that term with this game. I’m still waiting for an explanation on why it’s woke. Because there’s a lesbian relationship in the story?? Because Abby’s buff??
Male characters are weak or killed off. Female characters are strong and powerful girl bosses. LGBT all over the place.

Edit: Sheer contrast with first game was jarring.
 
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xanaum

Member
Você está falando com outra pessoa? Porque eu nunca mencionei "woke" no meu post, nem comentei sobre o design do personagem.
Star Wars Outlaws, um jogo de ficção científica com uma estética de retorno (embora apropriada para IP) estrelando uma caçadora de recompensas protagonista feminina não branca, tem uma sobreposição conceitual considerável com o excessivamente genérico "Intergalactic". E o conceito de Outlaws estava basicamente morto na chegada. A apresentação narrativa de Concord foi, essencialmente, "Marvel: The worst bits: The Video Game". Até agora, de acordo com o diretor do jogo Neil Druckmann, "Intergalactic" é "inspirado em anime". Ao contrário de Kojima, que exerce essa influência particular em sua manga de uma forma muito anos 90 com desenvoltura, a tentativa da Naughty Dog aqui é superficial na melhor das hipóteses. Como alguém que cresceu com anime dos anos 90, isso parece muito seco em comparação, francamente. Tapa-olhos, autoconsciência e jaquetas vermelhas não me dão Akira, me dão "Desenvolvedor ocidental conhecido por melodrama superproduzido finge ser descolado". O resultado pende menos para Patlabor e mais para a marca particular de bobagens autoconscientes dos anos 2020 da Concord. E a Concord não foi apenas rejeitada, foi ativamente cuspida de volta na cara da Sony porque o público ao redor do mundo está farto dessas coisas porque está em todo lugar . A nova franquia da Naughty Dog é um conceito que os jogadores já rejeitaram e eles estão apresentando com estilos que também já foram rejeitados. E eles não deram mais nada a ninguém em seu trailer, então é isso que estamos vendo acontecer. Eu realmente espero que o jogo não seja apenas Bloodborne + Guardians of the Galaxy fingindo ser Bubble Gum Crisis, como parece. Porque se é nisso que eles passaram os últimos cinco anos, eu suspeito que a Naughty Dog estará se reestruturando novamente, de volta a um único estúdio de equipe.
That's a bingo
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Male characters are weak or killed off. Female characters are strong and powerful girl bosses. LGBT all over the place.

Edit: Sheer contrast with first game was jarring.
Sam isn’t a strong character? Outside of Ellie’s relationship what other LGBT did I not catch?
 

SF Kosmo

Banned
You don’t think TLOU2 story was woke?
The story? Obviously no, the main story is a revenge's tragedy, the kind of story that has been a staple of fiction for centuries.

Does the game make a deliberate effort to represent gender and sexual minorities? Yeah, clearly. But that doesn't impact that actual narrative much.

Diversity panic is a tough hill to defend, if that's all it is, because you end up with a group of people who are basically going to react negatively if they a main character that is anything other than a white dude or hypersexualized female. And they'll tell you it's not about the character it's about it being some broader indicator of "politics" but if you press on it, the politics seems to be representation.
 
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LRKD

Member
Lmao imagine disliking a trailer because you didnt like the main character in it.

Before knowing anything about how any of it plays.

Pathetic

Its all CG trailers too, which says nothing about the game.

Also not sure this is thread worthy but I dont want to thread whine
imagine being too stupid to have proper pattern recognition
 

Shtof

Member
Does the game make a deliberate effort to represent gender and sexual minorities? Yeah, clearly. But that doesn't impact that actual narrative much.
I really am honest when I say I didn't even notice this. If they did so, they did it very subtle.
 
I didnt play TLOU 2 yet.

I know yall hate it because there's a boss lady in that too, and you guys hate strong women obviously.

Who cares if the woman is a protag? That doesnt make the game bad, woke, or smoke



I played TLOU and there isn't much wokeness in that. Havent played TLOU 2.

But ND = bad now I get it, you need a strong man in the protagonist role to feel like the game speaks to you I guess.

Me, I don't care, as long as the game is good.
Man, you hear the word „bigot“ like 10 minutes into TLOU 2. And no, I‘m not joking.
 

Kronos9x

Member
What exactly is woke about it?

Just because she is a woman?

Dafuq.

Not a generic white male i assume.

ethnic looking self sufficient woman with short hair= lesbian dei character created by Soros to oppress the western male.

"She's anti male, anti white, anti western civilizaishon" That's the whole thing basically.
 
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