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The Xbox One Reveal - A Tragic Play in Three Parts
- Thread starter Amir0x
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Good synopsis. Not quite sure what to think at this time. I'm not ready to burn them at the stake yet, but if the uproar causes some second thoughts that isn't a bad thing. The biggest thing I am seeing is companies wanting to do the slow tease and I'm not sure we live in that world. Bungie got hate for not showing gameplay, Sony got hate for not showing the actual box, MS got hate for a few things. Not that I am equating these reveals, but noticing a trend. Companies have a tendency of wanting to talk about specific things at specific times and when they get questions that don't fit the script things tend to escalate.
I'm not sure this is incompetence, obscurificatiin, or sticking to a script that no one is primarily interested in. Whether some if this stuff pans out or not one thing they need to figure out us how to communicate the information their consumers are looking for as opposed to the information they want to share.
I wasn't disappointed by the reveal, but I was expecting a soft reveal with the games coming at E3, but they need to transform some of these marketing speak snippets and turn them into something we care about.
I'm not sure this is incompetence, obscurificatiin, or sticking to a script that no one is primarily interested in. Whether some if this stuff pans out or not one thing they need to figure out us how to communicate the information their consumers are looking for as opposed to the information they want to share.
I wasn't disappointed by the reveal, but I was expecting a soft reveal with the games coming at E3, but they need to transform some of these marketing speak snippets and turn them into something we care about.
To be perfectly honest, if this was the first moneygrabbing bullshit move by Microsoft, I wouldn't be so much against it.
But they've already made suckers of their customers by offering services that are free everywhere else for a fee - and I'm always anxious to see greedy corporations full of hubris humbled. And that together with all from the first post (and a dash of TV TV TV to boot) is the full reason I really wish the whole situation bites Microsoft in the ass and bites hard.
Because if it doesn't, they will never learn and might even end up fucking up the industry by demonstrating just how much they can get away with.
But they've already made suckers of their customers by offering services that are free everywhere else for a fee - and I'm always anxious to see greedy corporations full of hubris humbled. And that together with all from the first post (and a dash of TV TV TV to boot) is the full reason I really wish the whole situation bites Microsoft in the ass and bites hard.
Because if it doesn't, they will never learn and might even end up fucking up the industry by demonstrating just how much they can get away with.
They have 46+ million accounts, but that's not nearly the same as 46 million people paying for Xbox Live. The last time they reported it, paying Live customers were about half of the total.
AlucarD.eq
Member
Quick question, maybe a little bit offtopic but... What happened to all the threads with Xbone?
Live Free, no. Live Gold, yes.
This is something everyone needs to keep in mind. All of the add-ons, paying for online play and services that nobody else charges for, can't even get a demo on time unless you are a member of Gold, etc. Now, not only are they keeping the subscription, but they designed an entire console around even more non-gaming related stuff that will also be behind the paywall. Add in the always online DRM, mandatory Kinect and trying to kill off used games as well... my god, man Enough is enough. Microsoft can rot for all I care.
LIVE is free, I use it for the few GFWL games I own.
The one thing (even more then the used game issue) that seriously pisses me off about this entire MS fiasco is the online DRM. I have a kid. Say hypothetically I have to go away for a week for work or whatever, my kid goes to stay with my folks and they don't have an internet connection. He's effectively locked out of a 500$+ purchase (console + games) because they don't have an internet connection.
How at all is this a consumer friendly product?
This whole situation is bloody infuriating to me.
How at all is this a consumer friendly product?
This whole situation is bloody infuriating to me.
la flama blanca
Banned
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
How dare you to forget the new dog and fish AI.
If they had it all figured out they would release tomorrow.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
The good news is that if MS does this I actually might really stop gaming. Online only, DRM, kinect always on, 1984 bs ... there is literally no better time to stop gaming. I could go to Sony yeah, but I've been feeling like I need to be more productive and stop wasting so much time and money on videogames anyway.
This next generation is only going to be more time, more money, and more frustration and at the end of the day I won't even own the dang games --- Microsofts servers will.
This next generation is only going to be more time, more money, and more frustration and at the end of the day I won't even own the dang games --- Microsofts servers will.
Can we have a musical number where Phil Harrison and Kaz Hirai reminiscence about the old times
Did you ever wonder
why we always failed
had our plans tossed asunder
as I went to MS and bailed
Did it never occur
when Vita in flames
and your vision a blur
it was all just games!
If Sony went with this stuff, I think I'll tough it out on Wii U until the final true end. then sadly wonder the halls of a once great industry as I wait for it to regain its sense and have a rebirth
Napalm_Frank
Member
No fucking way. I mean, I'm glad they reduced it and all but... were they fuckin surprised at the reaction? What the hell did they expect? Are they insane?
Even the stuff they have now resulted in a big backlash. Can you imagine if they went through with it? The only reason I can think of is that they are really confident with the cloud stuff they have (or had).
I think this will be the interesting story over the next 6 months. This console is going to have a bunch of odious 'features' no matter what the reaction is in the gaming community, so it will be interesting to see how the gaming press reacts. So far, in podcasts and the like, the only hugely negative responses are from people like Sterling and Angry Joe, who as part of their only personae are contrarian and angry (not that they are faking it or lying, just that that is part of their schtick).
Most of the rest that I've read and heard have been of the 'wait and see', 'people are over reacting', 'looks cool and I like it, but I can see where some people might have a problem with it', and even a few 'gamers are basement dwelling neckbeards, this is great (kuchera)'.
I'm guessing there is a lot of furiouss PR stuff going on behind the background here that we'll never know about, and this is where personal releations between media types and PR types will really pay off for a company like MS.
For example, one of the bombcast guys went to a ms PR guy's wedding. Now, if you are close enough friends with someone to go to their wedding, and are close enough to see them starting a family, are you going to want to shit on the company they work for? Make them look bad by not managing your message? Of course not. Morover, the issues of not pissing off the advertisers, not pissing off corporate HQ (in this case CBS Iteractive), etc also come to bear.
Now I haven't heard toadys cast, so I'm hoping I'm wrong about the bomb guys in particular. But with much of the rest of the mainstream gaiming enthusiast press, I've been disappointed.
Last bit of this wall o text: geek outrage sometimes works. In Canada, the megacorp cable/telecos had received approval from the regulatory body to institute metered bandwidth and were going to force indie ISPs to have to institute them as well against their will. It really was a fucked up corporate cash grab and anti consumer shit. A concerted online campaign was instigated, and the decisions were reversed. In fact, the Minister of Technolgy came out and said that the CRTC (regulatory body) was wrong, and if they didn't reverse their decisions, big changes would occur. It was nice.
**regular tricks aren't working so well anymore, need to consult with boss...**
That OP is really shocking. I haven't been keeping up with the entirety of the Xbox One post-reveal PR. Here's hoping they fix the DRM/used game bullshit come console launch, but that'll probably never happen.
Straw man arguments? I'm not even sure why I responded to these posts in the first place since you are just going to pass me off a fanboy that just doesn't like Xbox (despite me owning both Xbox consoles and loving them). I just think it's better for gamers to get outraged at MS now while MS still has time to backtrack and fix the DRM/used games shit rather than wait for the product to launch (with all that bullshit still in) and have us go "oh well".
And holy shit that game is so old and this still look so good!
Thank you so much for not only summarizing this information, but providing links and references Amir0x.
It has been very difficult to keep up with all of this and the obscuration was much deeper and the details more grim that I originally understood. I daresay I'd call the omens sinister in nature.
I agree with the poster that mentioned that it's extremely likely that the majority of our fears and concerns about this console are justified. And while the thought of this becoming accepted (or even worse, the standard) horrifies me, I know better than to think this board is capable of speaking for the entire industry, especially when the message we received is still unclear. So I don't know what going to happen.
Despite those ill tidings however, the scientist/researcher in me is quite excited at the case study unfolding before my eyes, but let me explain.
By the time this situation is "resolved" and the dust has cleared, whether it be months or even years from now, this is likely going to be a historic moment in the videogame timeline. I'm not just talking about the "coming together" of fanboys on message boards, either. This platform, and whether or not the industry (as a whole) accepts it, is going to lay down the groundwork for the next several generations, across all platforms, across all game creators, publishers and fans. And for once, I can say that in this particular case, video games actually are serious business! It's Truly fascinating to watch what has happened, and to see what is coming next.
It has been very difficult to keep up with all of this and the obscuration was much deeper and the details more grim that I originally understood. I daresay I'd call the omens sinister in nature.
I agree with the poster that mentioned that it's extremely likely that the majority of our fears and concerns about this console are justified. And while the thought of this becoming accepted (or even worse, the standard) horrifies me, I know better than to think this board is capable of speaking for the entire industry, especially when the message we received is still unclear. So I don't know what going to happen.
Despite those ill tidings however, the scientist/researcher in me is quite excited at the case study unfolding before my eyes, but let me explain.
By the time this situation is "resolved" and the dust has cleared, whether it be months or even years from now, this is likely going to be a historic moment in the videogame timeline. I'm not just talking about the "coming together" of fanboys on message boards, either. This platform, and whether or not the industry (as a whole) accepts it, is going to lay down the groundwork for the next several generations, across all platforms, across all game creators, publishers and fans. And for once, I can say that in this particular case, video games actually are serious business! It's Truly fascinating to watch what has happened, and to see what is coming next.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
With smash coming out in the nearish future that's not a bad idea.
I think you're cool, I'm only ribbing on you because I know you'd be a good sport. Thanks for this thread.Every person is a liar and every person is a sinner, so cast ye thy stone if ye feels like it, but let's move on already
Joseph Merrick
Member
lol. nice
I'm not a Smash guy, I think I'll be finding my solace in Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 for now...
Of the potential customer base (let's say within a year of launch, early adopters) what percent do you think is actually pissed off about the situation?
I assume that the majority lie in the middle ground between myself and the masses that seem to be on GAF at the moment. That is to say it won't take more than one or two games I want to grab the system, even if it requires an online check every 24 hours, etc.
I've said it a bunch of times already, the only thing that would really irritate me is not being able to buy and sell 2nd hand games. If there is a little more effort required (say, purging some license from my system) then I won't really consider it a bother at all but if I can only sell off games at certain shops or can't sell off imports (live in Japan, at least 70% of the games I buy are imports) then it will piss me off enough to make the PS4 my main machine and only use the One for exclusives.
That's impossible to quantify - after all, we have no actual idea what the true 'potential customer base' is of either PS4 or Xbox One. What we do know is that they reached 27 million people with their Xbox One reveal, and much of the opening days and weeks since have been consumed by the uproar of gamers and non-gamers over this issue.
This is no small thing, I shouldn't think.
Well that's a big assumption. But let's assume that you're at least mostly right. Let's say that 80% of everyone who is talking big will actually end up getting an Xbox One anyway when there are sufficient games available. That is still a massive loss of customers, provided Xbox One reaches a similar userbase as Xbox 360 or even a little more. Shit, you could go up to 90%, and that's still very significant indeed.
I respect that. But for me, every last iota of the Xbox One design is an affront to me as a consumer, so I must make a stand.
GoofsterStud
Member
With the power of the cloud:
MrBambinoDent
Member
I think I agree with you, if gamers could really force MS to make a drastic change - which I think is unlikely lol - it will be a lesson for everyone in this effing industry!
BlazingDarkness
Member
Drag them to the pits Ami yaaassss I agree with everything you said
EDIT: How long did it take to make this summary tbh?
Kyon your posts always crack me up :lol
swordsman720
Banned
I hope MS should add an extra time at E3 to do a proper explanation to put all vague situations
away.
Best situation MS should abandon all DRM shit.
It is so fucking insane to mandate all the things which the people's don't want.
You have to connect your machine within 24 hours? Else what>>>your installed games are useless after that?
No drm
away.
Best situation MS should abandon all DRM shit.
It is so fucking insane to mandate all the things which the people's don't want.
You have to connect your machine within 24 hours? Else what>>>your installed games are useless after that?
No drm
Dreams-Visions
Member
Thanks. I really feel invigorated when I'm doing research on things for some reason, heh. That was always one of my favorite things about projects in school. No clue why.
WrenchNinja
Member
Great summary of events, Amir0x. Will be useful for people saying that nothing happened or no one important said anything.
Link?
lastflowers
Banned
What this seemingly boils down to:
1) I don't like being forced to connect my console to the internet once a day.
2) I don't like how Microsoft is trying to tie games to digital keys instead of physical disks. When I think of Vidja Games, I think of physical media and not the binary data that is encoded on that physical medium. In order to do this, Xbox says that 1 is necessary. They are trying to bullshit around this by saying cloud a bunch of times.
3) Xbox execs/spokesmen don't know the full details of their used game/'lend' system. Why don't they just bloody detail their system so that I can tear it apart because of 1 and 2.
'aight.
Some people do want them, like me. But I definitely see why people are upset.
1) I don't like being forced to connect my console to the internet once a day.
2) I don't like how Microsoft is trying to tie games to digital keys instead of physical disks. When I think of Vidja Games, I think of physical media and not the binary data that is encoded on that physical medium. In order to do this, Xbox says that 1 is necessary. They are trying to bullshit around this by saying cloud a bunch of times.
3) Xbox execs/spokesmen don't know the full details of their used game/'lend' system. Why don't they just bloody detail their system so that I can tear it apart because of 1 and 2.
'aight.
Some people do want them, like me. But I definitely see why people are upset.
Insane Metal
Member
Awesome OP, Amir0x. I've been following on your reaction to all this stuff with Microsoft and I absolutely agree with your opinion. They should, at the very least, be consistent with their answers.
shinnn
Banned
(05-28-2013, 12:54 AM)
Wew. And here I was thinking you only posted this kind of nonsense at UOL Jogos... goddamn.
shinnn
Banned
(05-28-2013, 12:54 AM)
Wew. And here I was thinking you only posted this kind of nonsense at UOL Jogos... goddamn.
Gamespot did a Feedbackula on the Xbox reveal. Some of these comments are hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0H8Sc-SfP0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0H8Sc-SfP0
I have to say, the line of thought that says "this reaction won't affect eventual sales because it is only a hardcore niche in a much larger market complaining" just seems totally faulty to me.
It assumes that, for want of a better term, the 'viral' contribution to purchasing decisions is relatively unimportant. I think a lot of people who are massive gamers are introducing many of their friends or family to things they would not notice otherwise. And it's a process that feeds back on itself.
In an age when advertisers are ever keen on finding and hiring the few people who have disproportionate influence on other people on Twitter etc., it seems weird to say negatively influencing hundreds of people will do nothing. Removing five hundred people who might each show a console off, or talk about a game on a console to 6 other people, who might talk to 3 others, who talk to...etc.
It assumes that, for want of a better term, the 'viral' contribution to purchasing decisions is relatively unimportant. I think a lot of people who are massive gamers are introducing many of their friends or family to things they would not notice otherwise. And it's a process that feeds back on itself.
In an age when advertisers are ever keen on finding and hiring the few people who have disproportionate influence on other people on Twitter etc., it seems weird to say negatively influencing hundreds of people will do nothing. Removing five hundred people who might each show a console off, or talk about a game on a console to 6 other people, who might talk to 3 others, who talk to...etc.
Thank you! Excellent post.Quote with link
disastermouse
Banned
This. When I went Mac in 2001 my family thought I was crazy. Now my little sister (not so little anymore) who DETESTED Macs will only use Macs. Same with my mom. And my girlfriend.
The core leads the way. X360 won the early last gen because Sony made colossal errors and MS didn't - not counting RROD.