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Twitter User claims sexual assault from WoW RP

tommib

Member
Where are dicks?
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ManaByte

Gold Member
Sounds like this took place on the Mal'Ganis server ("MG"). That isn't an RP server.

But go off on how this is just some "triggered" bullshit or whatever flavor of the week it is this time. It's almost like you intentionally didn't read through the chat in the images before rushing over here to post because a woman dared to feel threatened in a game.

You also missed the part where Blizzard CS totally botched their response, then doubled down on it in further replies:



And the "apology" 8 hours later:

This is the MMO CS diplomatic way of saying:

“Too bad, so sad. We’re printing out your ticket and posting it on the wall so we can always laugh at you for being such a fucking idiot before we send you a canned response to shut you up.”
 
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IFireflyl

Gold Member
Incidentally, any roleplayer worth the smallest grain of salt knows that *anything* potentially unpleasant needs to be discussed out of character and agreed to with the other roleplayer beforehand, be it combat, sexual, or whatever of similar consequence unless you're part of a dedicated roleplay event or environment in which the rules have been agreed to by all involved parties in order to participate (for instance a fighting tournament, it's assumed that by participating the players agree to combat).

The bottom line is that if the one you're trying to RP with expresses the slightest discomfort in the topic of your roleplay, regardless of who, where, why, or how, you *back the F. off instantly* apologize, and if you really are into that, you go look for someone with common interests.

If I play Dungeons & Dragons I have to get another players consent before I betray them? This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

The dude went kind of nuts towards the end, but the chick got super triggered by an obvious role play comment, and she made everything 100 times worse.
 

ANDS

King of Gaslighting
So a girl who dresses like a cheap skank for obvious attention is crying she got sexually assaulted in a game.


K.

There have been some ridiculous responses in this thread, but this one absolutely takes the cake. What does what the offended party look like have any bearing on perceived in-game harassments experienced?

You can make the argument that she didn't handle this in a way that would have lead to a reasonable resolution for both parties (very easily in fact), but shoving this all on the way the player looks outside of the game is just. . .something else.
 

Filben

Member
If I went on twitter every time someone called me a faggot, wished me dying of cancer, threatened me or especially my mother, I probably had a thousand posts there.

If it's only annoying, I block them. If it's too much I block and report, be done and keep playing. Why should I make my personal problems other people's problems? It's not like it's an institutional or systemstical issue here.

This dude went full retard at the end but that girl could have easily blocked him when she isn't into that kind of role play, instead of repeating "say that again"... it's literally asking for trouble.
 
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There have been some ridiculous responses in this thread, but this one absolutely takes the cake. What does what the offended party look like have any bearing on perceived in-game harassments experienced?

You can make the argument that she didn't handle this in a way that would have lead to a reasonable resolution for both parties (very easily in fact), but shoving this all on the way the player looks outside of the game is just. . .something else.

Judging by the photos she has no problem posting online, I don’t think she legit cares when some dude gets all flaunty weird and gives her attention, this just seems like she picks and chooses when to be “offended” by someone. Did not think my comment would trigger anyone, but, here we are, I guess.
 
Not sure which is worse: The guy thinking he can get a pass for his rape fantasy because "teehee, roleplay!", those handwaving it away because it was typed out playing into the "it happened on the internet so it's not real!", or the implications she somehow deserved it because of her pics.

Guess it's a three way tie.
 

poodaddy

Member
I was gonna ask what the fuck RP is short for, but upon reading the thread I'm assuming it means role playing in context. So you're like acting?

You're acting as....your character? Or your class or your race or something? And people really get into this, fight over shit and all that?

......Some of you fuckers need to go outside.
 
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Coolwhhip

Neophyte
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Not sure which is worse: The guy thinking he can get a pass for his rape fantasy because "teehee, roleplay!", those handwaving it away because it was typed out playing into the "it happened on the internet so it's not real!", or the implications she somehow deserved it because of her pics.

Guess it's a three way tie.

Or you, pretending to be some righteous force.
 

supernova8

Banned
Guy was clearly a dick, and if he initiated the private message (looks like he did) then yeah definitely a dick. On the other hand, she (along with her friend) also seemed to be more than happy to continue the exchange far beyond where it had to go (could've just put him on ignore immediately). People would be forgiven for thinking she/her friend was fishing for "material" for their next twitter outrage post.
 
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ANDS

King of Gaslighting
Judging by the photos she has no problem posting online, I don’t think she legit cares when some dude gets all flaunty weird and gives her attention, this just seems like she picks and chooses when to be “offended” by someone. Did not think my comment would trigger anyone, but, here we are, I guess.

As autonomous humans, yes, we get to decide what combination of action and person makes us uncomfortable or offended. The people arguing that she should have let it go or she took it too far have far greater ground to stand on then someone who is arguing she doesn't even get that option based on a photo (and the "implied" - largely in your head - looseness of her character).

. . .and your comment would have to be unexpected for it to be triggering (which has fast become one of the most overused "outs" on the interweb).
 

Sleepwalker

Member
Sounds like this took place on the Mal'Ganis server ("MG"). That isn't an RP server.

But go off on how this is just some "triggered" bullshit or whatever flavor of the week it is this time. It's almost like you intentionally didn't read through the chat in the images before rushing over here to post because a woman dared to feel threatened in a game.

You also missed the part where Blizzard CS totally botched their response, then doubled down on it in further replies:



And the "apology" 8 hours later:


How dare customer support have a queue?!! On Christmas day no less?!! The horror :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

blizzard jump me ahead of the queue for my sake Pls.
 
As autonomous humans, yes, we get to decide what combination of action and person makes us uncomfortable or offended. The people arguing that she should have let it go or she took it too far have far greater ground to stand on then someone who is arguing she doesn't even get that option based on a photo (and the "implied" - largely in your head - looseness of her character).

. . .and your comment would have to be unexpected for it to be triggering (which has fast become one of the most overused "outs" on the interweb).


I don’t think you’re understanding my post. I’m a bit fucked up from margaritas last night, so, perhaps the blame is on me.

When you look a certain way and obviously do it for attention, which I’m pretty sure she does…getting offended over some guy online for textually assaulting her is laughable. I’m not saying what a man does in this situation is correct, but, unless you’re a completely stupid female in 2021, you know this kind of thing is going to happen.

I bet she doesn’t have a problem with guys dribbling their cocks over pictures she chooses to put up, but, she suddenly has a problem with a guy being stupid in a game, whether he knew what she looked like irl is irrelevant, I’m just saying that she posts pictures in which she obviously wants the attention of males, yet, gets her titties bent out of shape over a guy being a thirsty cunt in a game.

I doubt she is really bothered that deeply by it, looks like she just wants to be an attention whoring victim and maybe gather more “fans” by getting noticed with this on social media.

If this still doesn’t make sense to you, fuck it, I’m going to drink some more and probably forget all about this topic, anyway.
 

TransTrender

Gold Member
Mental illness.
You can just put the person on your ignore list.
If they keep making alts to harass you then you can open a support ticket.
 

GeorgPrime

Banned
I'm sorry, but there is no way this delirious crap qualifies as RP. Not even by a long shot. If the dude thought he was "roleplaying" boy I have some bad news for him.

Incidentally, any roleplayer worth the smallest grain of salt knows that *anything* potentially unpleasant needs to be discussed out of character and agreed to with the other roleplayer beforehand, be it combat, sexual, or whatever of similar consequence unless you're part of a dedicated roleplay event or environment in which the rules have been agreed to by all involved parties in order to participate (for instance a fighting tournament, it's assumed that by participating the players agree to combat).

The bottom line is that if the one you're trying to RP with expresses the slightest discomfort in the topic of your roleplay, regardless of who, where, why, or how, you *back the F. off instantly* apologize, and if you really are into that, you go look for someone with common interests.

This is how roleplay works in any freeform RP environment and has worked like this since before MMORPGs had graphics and they were called MUDs, and even earlier. And I can guarantee without a shred of a doubt that this would have exactly the same consequences in any MMORPG today as it would have 20 years ago. Hell, Final Fantasy XIV's recent rules pretty much give the GM's discretionary power to suspend players that simply hurt other players' feelings, and I can guarantee the game's thriving. It shouldn't be hard not to be an ass.

So how do you roleplay an orc?
 
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Edit- If anybody with a working knowledge of 40k wants hilarious Ork dumbassery watch Noman's audio short series about Da Emprah!

 
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SZips

Member
How dare customer support have a queue?!! On Christmas day no less?!! The horror :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

blizzard jump me ahead of the queue for my sake Pls.
Literally not at all what the issue is about. 🙄

The issue is that they could have said literally any other canned response and it'd have been miles better than how that person handled the situation. Something like "We're working as fast as possible and hope to get to your ticket as soon as we can" would have been miles better.
This is the MMO CS diplomatic way of saying:

“Too bad, so sad. We’re printing out your ticket and posting it on the wall so we can always laugh at you for being such a fucking idiot before we send you a canned response to shut you up.”
Not sure what your problem is either. How is this person being harassed and threatened out of the blue in a video game showing that they are a "fucking idiot?"
 

Doom85

Member
If I play Dungeons & Dragons I have to get another players consent before I betray them? This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

The dude went kind of nuts towards the end, but the chick got super triggered by an obvious role play comment, and she made everything 100 times worse.

Betray them? No. But anything sexual or extremely violent could be another issue. This is why Session 0 should NEVER be skipped especially with new players so everyone knows what each person is comfortable with. Because yes, people are allowed to be uncomfortable with certain elements especially given it’s not like every player has shared their whole life story which might include an actual assault(s). And any DM worth a damn should make sure everyone is having a good time within reason and no one is being made miserable because people either didn’t check beforehand what everyone is cool with or someone isn’t respecting someone else’s boundaries.
 

Pallas

Gold Member
Why not report then block him and move on? Her attempts to egg him on only furthers this creepy shit. Honestly I feel like she wanted something to put on blast over Twitter for the likes and and attention.

Don’t get me wrong, the guy is annoying and deserves to get reported and blocked but you can’t claim victim if you are trying to egg this guy on to have your metoo moment or whatever.
 

Sleepwalker

Member
Literally not at all what the issue is about. 🙄

The issue is that they could have said literally any other canned response and it'd have been miles better than how that person handled the situation. Something like "We're working as fast as possible and hope to get to your ticket as soon as we can" would have been miles better.

Not sure what your problem is either. How is this person being harassed and threatened out of the blue in a video game showing that they are a "fucking idiot?"

It's a non issue at best. They told her they will look into it in due time and will most likely ban the guy when that happens. She can wait 24 hours for that, not everything needs to be sugar coated.

The whole thing is being blown out of proportion. The dude has been reported and he will get banned, and no, this situation doesn't warrant immediate response. It doesn't even warrant a reply from the Twitter account but here we are.
 

Nickolaidas

Member
I bet she doesn’t have a problem with guys dribbling their cocks over pictures she chooses to put up, but, she suddenly has a problem with a guy being stupid in a game, whether he knew what she looked like irl is irrelevant, I’m just saying that she posts pictures in which she obviously wants the attention of males, yet, gets her titties bent out of shape over a guy being a thirsty cunt in a game.
The difference between the two is that one is a hypothesis she's making (a guy jerking off to her pics) which she doesn't witness - so for all she knows it doesn't actually happen - and the latter is a direct interaction with a person who clearly disrespects her. An undisputed fact, if you will.

So in fairness, I can see how she's okay with one thing, and not okay with another.

On the other hand, her avatar can be viewed as a cocktease and provoke said douchebagging behavior.

So, in conclusion, if you don't want men to view you as a sex object and you can't handle male douchebaggery, maybe you should reconsider having an avatar pic which resembles an escort profile pic. (although, to be fair, I doubt that particular pic was shown or was available in the chatroom she was in at that time)
 
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Betray them? No. But anything sexual or extremely violent could be another issue. This is why Session 0 should NEVER be skipped especially with new players so everyone knows what each person is comfortable with. Because yes, people are allowed to be uncomfortable with certain elements especially given it’s not like every player has shared their whole life story which might include an actual assault(s). And any DM worth a damn should make sure everyone is having a good time within reason and no one is being made miserable because people either didn’t check beforehand what everyone is cool with or someone isn’t respecting someone else’s boundaries.
Yep, I both DM and play TTRPG games with my friends where we can get into some pretty dark shit, but that's between people who have been friends since highschool. If I'm playing with casual players I tone down the grim-dark since most people aren't into it.

Examples

Player - My friends and I were playing an elder campaign in NWoD Vampire, The Requiem where it was all one-on-one RP unless characters were directly interacting with each other. Hard to do, but the only way for us to essentially play rival mob bosses without metagaming. I didn't think my fellow players quite understood the fucking monsters they were playing, so I had a rival's human descendents in the city raped and slaughtered by paid-off gang bangers I had on retainer. The video recordings were sent to the other player mere hours before an Elysium in the city that he couldn't afford to miss. A casual mention of the the massacre when I was the only one who could know the details caused the DM to demand a frenzy check, which the player failed. Long story short I was attacked, but my friend's character was killed after the Prince ordered his true death for breaking his Peace.

DM - I was running a 5E D&D homebrew campaign set on an archipelago that had eradicated capital punishment by a process called a 'snip and a wipe' where the the condemned was castrated, and had their personalities erased by a 'power behind the throne' character through psionics (which was virtually unheard of in this world), and we're used for slave labor. The players were fish out of water arriving on this island chain that was a societal paradise on its face, but it turned out that the psionicist who performed the mind-wipes also controlled the council of island monarchs to enact his will. The moral dilemma was that this guy was clearly a megalomaniacal bastard, but the society itself was quite ordered where there was very little crime, as everybody knew they they could be hauled in front of this Rasputin-esque character who could read their minds, and know if they knowingly committed a crime or not. The trick was that he did his supposed 'job' impeccably, if the common person was falsely accused of something that didn't affect him he was truthful. It was the definition of lawful-evil to the point where clearly good aligned NPC's challenged the players on their desire to change a 'polite society' where young women could walk home alone without fear of being assaulted.


My point is that it's ok to get dark and fucked up with people you know, I wouldn't ever get into topics like these when I've got randos at the table. On the direct topic of this thread I think it's simple enough to talk to people, and check their bullshit when playing with those they don't know. I can't tell you how many rando women send me friend requests on Xbox, because I'm more interested in playing the videogame than I am trying to get my dick wet digitally.
 
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Vaelka

Member
Per usual the thread has become a bunch of misogyny directed at how she looks...
Which is totally irrelevant to anything here.

With that said, you shouldn't continue interacting with these people if they do or say something you don't like then /ignore them.
I dunno why people act like ignore/ mute doesn't exist.
 

IFireflyl

Gold Member
Betray them? No. But anything sexual or extremely violent could be another issue. This is why Session 0 should NEVER be skipped especially with new players so everyone knows what each person is comfortable with. Because yes, people are allowed to be uncomfortable with certain elements especially given it’s not like every player has shared their whole life story which might include an actual assault(s). And any DM worth a damn should make sure everyone is having a good time within reason and no one is being made miserable because people either didn’t check beforehand what everyone is cool with or someone isn’t respecting someone else’s boundaries.

So if I want my character to be extremely twisted I have to get permission from other players before telling the GM, "I flay my teammate and wear his face like a mask." That's stupid. I'm a grown man, and if someone can't handle that obvious in-game rhetoric then they need to stop playing the game.

What the guy initially said was, "I will slice your throat and breed with your women if you do not apologize!" That comment wasn't even directed at this stupid broad that is crying about this dude. It was directed to the other guy, and she said, "I'm his 'women', so this guy must be saying he's going to rape me in real life!" This entire issue spiraled out of the dude saying something to someone else as an obvious in-game role play, and she got personally involved to exacerbate the issue. She is in the wrong.

Again, later on that guy went nuts. But this broad kicked off the idiocy, and she shouldn't be playing this game. In fact, she really shouldn't be playing any role-playing games. She obviously can't handle the role-playing aspect, even when a comment wasn't directed at her.
 
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Doom85

Member
So if I want my character to be extremely twisted I have to get permission from other players before telling the GM, "I flay my teammate and wear his face like a mask." That's stupid. I'm a grown man, and if someone can't handle that obvious in-game rhetoric then they need to stop playing the game.

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Yes, you do have to get permission (as in discussing this in Session 0), how is this a difficult concept for you to grasp? Show me where in the Player’s Guide for D&D it says, “to role play, you must be cool with extreme violence and/or rape, and if not fuck off you can’t play this game.” Oh wait, it doesn’t, because Wizards of the Coast isn’t run by gatekeeping losers.

RPing is for everyone, and people have different tastes and real life experiences (yes, real people have experienced rape and/or violent attacks, let that sink into your head*). And guess what, if the DM finds out in Session 0 the majority of players agree to respect everyone’s boundaries, then a player who is demanding they include rape or extreme violence will be the one asked to leave by the DM. Neither of those elements are essential to TTRPGs, and really it just makes the one player look kind of weird if they have some personal issue where they can’t play unless those elements are included.

You claim to be a grown man, yet you’re acting like a tryhard teenage edgelord who gets mad when people don’t RP the way you want to. Grow the fuck up, you’re not mature because you have no tolerance for what makes others uncomfortable. Hell, maybe you don’t want genuine romance in the campaign, or you’re tired of DMs using goblins as bad guys so often and want more enemy variety, again all legitimate things to be discussed in Session 0. Session 0 is about the DM and players discussing what they’re cool with and what they want and don’t want to see in the campaign, and anyone so self-centered they want to do whatever they want with no regard to their fellow players is an immature little bitch who shouldn’t be role-playing (and should probably avoid social interactions period) until they have a few therapy sessions and learn to grow the fuck up already.

*also, realize if you disagree with this specific part in the second paragraph, you’re saying, “hey, rape victim, you’re not allowed to play this game!” That would be a level of douchebaggery I haven’t seen on this forum before, but hey first time for everything I suppose.
 
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