anthony2690
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Maybe I should give it a proper go, the resource gathering really turns me off though.
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VG24/7: 2 years in, the Xbox Series X/S still lacks even one killer exclusive
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remember_spinal
Banned
No, i think xbox gamers would have very much liked to have a game like starfield released this year.
Grounded has been out for two years, you basically got an expansion dlc for it this year.
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Makes you wonder what big games would be coming out next year or shown at that summer showcase if they had not purchased Bethesda.
I have little faith in the subscription model. I don’t mind it as a side option, more and more it’s the majority of what they talk about and cloud.
I want to see them have the big games like PlayStation. It’s getting a bit much people have to keep pointing out Forza games every couple of years.
Stuart360
Member
Also why is Gamepass seemingly not allowed to be a selling point for Xbox this gen?. It certainly seems to helping sell Xbox consoles this gen. I mean i wonder how many people have bought a Series console, especially a S, and using it as a Gamepass box.
I mean i'm on PC but Christ give me Gamepass over 2 or 3 exclusives a year.
I mean i'm on PC but Christ give me Gamepass over 2 or 3 exclusives a year.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
grounded and sea of thieves are valid games, but at the end of the day they're still not that big in comparison to a new proper halo or Starfield
bentanchorbolt
Banned
I play videogames and so far I haven't run out of games to play on Series X and have a pretty good backlog. Not sure I need to read an article so I can decide how I'm supposed to feel about something. Weird.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Then don't
It's exploration, audio visual presentation is sublime. Zero hand holding.
Though resource farming is there as it's survival game. Wasn't too bad cause I played with a couple of mates. We were bent on crafting every weapon/ armour game had to offer, regardless of how much time it took.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I couldn't care less about the big block buster exclusive.
I played God of War in preparation for Ragnarok recently, and I can honestly say I enjoyed my time with Scorn far more.
Pentiment and Somerville are right around the corner. Last year they had goty for me with Psychonauts 2. We had As Dusk Falls this summer.
Spiderman, horizon, ratchet and clank, none of that interest me. I don't care about those huge games because they do nothong interestong imo.
Through game pass I've gotten so many smaller and inspired games that have been a joy to play. I have my Switch for all my jrpg goodness, and PC for some odd titles.
My PlayStation is basically gathering dust, and probably will be till FFXIV comes out.
PS, don't mention it ezekiel, always happy to give you a good laugh.
I played God of War in preparation for Ragnarok recently, and I can honestly say I enjoyed my time with Scorn far more.
Pentiment and Somerville are right around the corner. Last year they had goty for me with Psychonauts 2. We had As Dusk Falls this summer.
Spiderman, horizon, ratchet and clank, none of that interest me. I don't care about those huge games because they do nothong interestong imo.
Through game pass I've gotten so many smaller and inspired games that have been a joy to play. I have my Switch for all my jrpg goodness, and PC for some odd titles.
My PlayStation is basically gathering dust, and probably will be till FFXIV comes out.
PS, don't mention it ezekiel, always happy to give you a good laugh.
anthony2690
Banned
I think 2023 will be the year that Microsoft delivers and then some. (I know someone will probably come at me with the "it's always next year" line)
Even though, I personally thought 2021? Was excellent on the first party front too (Forza horizon 5, infinite, psychonauts 2, granted P2 is multi platform and I highly recommend everyone plays it)
I do think 2022 was screwed by delays, as both Redfall & Starfield got delayed out the year, I'm personally super pumped for Redfall myself.
But I've been drowning in third party games and game pass this year as it is!
I just hope they get the first party line up spread throughout the year, so it isn't everything in the last 3 months of the year like 2021.
eastcoastkody
Member
didn't buy an xbox for the exclusives. its just my main console. its for everything else. Playstation and Nintendo have become the niche exclusives machines for me. I just buy them to play the 2-3 games i want.
just like PC ppl dont build PC's for exclusives
just like PC ppl dont build PC's for exclusives
Ansphn, I thought you were on a 2 week ban?
solidus12
Member
Wonder if you'll be interested in Starfield, since it's said to be a big game.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Grounded was finished and version 1.0 was released this year. Way bigger deal than a DLC.
Shabby point. God of War series launched on PS2, and Gran Turismo was on the original PlayStation.
When were you appointed the global arbiter for 'killer exclusives'?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
How can you dismiss the obvious?
bentanchorbolt
Banned
This. Xbox generally has the better multiplat versions + Game Pass is a killer app. PS5 is purely for exclusives.
This need people have to try and justify owning one console is silly. Can own both next-gen systems for less than it would cost to build a PC more powerful than either one of them, so these arguments people engage in seem silly to me.
Umbasaborne
Banned
There is a lot too this situation, and while i understand that microsofts first party didn't receive a serious investment until somewhat recently, its really not a good a excuse for the state of microsofts exclusives. They need to get their shit togeather. 2023 is looking promising, even if they only put out redfall, starfield, and forza, thats a pretty good year by xbox standards. Hopefully 2024 is when we start to see some of these long in development products, like fable, perfect dark, and avowed. However, another year like this or 2020 will get them (rightfully) torn apart. Gamepass is not a substitute for high quality first party titles. Im glad more journo’s are starting to call them out.
Topher
Gold Member
If you want a "known quantity" then it doesn't make any sense to sacrifice an entire lineup which is literally a known quantity for something that is not such as Starfield. And I say that with games such as Cyberpunk 2077 backing me up. I'm as hopeful as anyone that Starfield is a kickass game but a lot remains to be seen which is the case for every unreleased game, including Sony's.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Good because it’s a farce.
I really hope they deliver the goods next year and this kind of talk begins to fade.
solidus12
Member
Yet they released many great new ips
Based on the games that are worth an Xbox purchase, so for me, there's still no reason to own one.
Articles are popping out left and right, meaning that many share the same opinion.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Are you saying that Returnal and Ratchet are killer exclusives to buy a PS5 for? Both consoles main selling point 2 years later is still the SSDs.
Topher
Gold Member
This is opportunistic clickbait at best, just like the Forbes article. Notice how neither had the guts to publish those columns until after GoW R review scores were unveiled.
THE DUCK
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I'm confused, how is forza 5 not considered a killer exclusive? It's a massively popular AAA title that gets great reviews that's only on xbox. And really infinite as well, as much as this forum loves to dog on it, it's very well reviewed and did very well. (Not to its target, but still an exclusive halo game, and you can't judge it just by multiplayer) Many casual halo fans buy xbox just for halo single player.
waquzy
Member
Really? Since when?
Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
Bought my kid a Series S so she could play Roblox which just happens to be exclusive and also one of the world's biggest titles.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
With all the studios they own they'll start churning out exclusives like mad soon
They just launched with nothing ready
They just launched with nothing ready
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I wonder what it would take to bring back J Allard?
Early 360 gen was by far the best Xbox ever was. You could tell their management was hungry and knew how to compete on first party exclusives
Phil has been such an enormous disappointment in comparison
Early 360 gen was by far the best Xbox ever was. You could tell their management was hungry and knew how to compete on first party exclusives
Phil has been such an enormous disappointment in comparison
These 'callouts' make no sense, and the majority of grownup journalists aren't going to write something in this vein, thankfully. The general impression game journalists have is that delays are COVID related, and these delays visibly affected every publisher and console maker.
It also helps that there's a very credible Xbox first party lineup scheduled for H1 2023.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Covid related delays are a hard excuse to accept when their competition put out 3 new first party games this year and one high quality remake.
Bonfires Down
Member
No you’re right. Let’s never make assumptions about how much we will enjoy a game. It’s perfectly possible that John’s 2D Platformer will be better than Tears of the Kingdom.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Well, they will have one next year but its something that they basically bought to keep off of playstation. Not really something I would consider MS made.
I need to see Avowed, Perfect Dark, Fable, Gears, State of Decay, Hellblade 2 finally fucking release after being shown off in 2019 and 2020. They are finally releasing Forza 8 next year but it looks cross gen as fuck despite being next gen only. Hell, Forza Horizon 5 looks better and its an open world LAST GEN game.
If MS is going to be judged by Zenimax studios releasing games then meh. Aside from Doom and Starfield/Fallout/Elder Scrolls which come out on a 5-7 year gap nowadays, what exactly am I getting excited about?
Had MS shown off Fable, Perfect Dark and other first party exclusives this year, no one would be talking about this. Right now, we all know Starfield is coming which is great but its one game.
The Sony comparison is bizarre because the same logic can be applied towards sony. Returnal and Ratchet are the only true PS5 exclusives. DS is literally running a PS3 game under the hood. TLOU the same thing with AI enhancement. I would love to start seeing more articles about Sony who literally fucking skipped an entire year without a conference and these cowardly journalists didnt call them out even once. We know Spiderman is coming next year but unlike Stafield we dont even know what it looks like. The last time they did that we got a last gen GOW surprise. What are they hiding? Why is VG247 not bringing up the fact that we have seen ZERO gameplay from first party games from Sony for their 2023 or 2024 games?
Why are we ok with paid money hatted exclusives from a third party publisher like square who is literally about to release 3 cross gen as fuck titles in Forspoken, FF16 and FF7. FF7 literally reusing the same character models to avoid putting in actual effort. We are happy with this? VG wants killer exclusives and they are ok with PS4 quality character models? I thought we wanted exclusives because they set the bar thanks to higher budget and production values.
The industry is in a poor state not just becuase of MS, but Sony and other third parties as well. Maybe they ought to release one for Activision who produced another mediocre 2007 era COD game that sold a billion dollars in a week because the journalists didnt raise any stink about it being the third cod title this gen and still not an exclusive next gen title.
I need to see Avowed, Perfect Dark, Fable, Gears, State of Decay, Hellblade 2 finally fucking release after being shown off in 2019 and 2020. They are finally releasing Forza 8 next year but it looks cross gen as fuck despite being next gen only. Hell, Forza Horizon 5 looks better and its an open world LAST GEN game.
If MS is going to be judged by Zenimax studios releasing games then meh. Aside from Doom and Starfield/Fallout/Elder Scrolls which come out on a 5-7 year gap nowadays, what exactly am I getting excited about?
Had MS shown off Fable, Perfect Dark and other first party exclusives this year, no one would be talking about this. Right now, we all know Starfield is coming which is great but its one game.
The Sony comparison is bizarre because the same logic can be applied towards sony. Returnal and Ratchet are the only true PS5 exclusives. DS is literally running a PS3 game under the hood. TLOU the same thing with AI enhancement. I would love to start seeing more articles about Sony who literally fucking skipped an entire year without a conference and these cowardly journalists didnt call them out even once. We know Spiderman is coming next year but unlike Stafield we dont even know what it looks like. The last time they did that we got a last gen GOW surprise. What are they hiding? Why is VG247 not bringing up the fact that we have seen ZERO gameplay from first party games from Sony for their 2023 or 2024 games?
Why are we ok with paid money hatted exclusives from a third party publisher like square who is literally about to release 3 cross gen as fuck titles in Forspoken, FF16 and FF7. FF7 literally reusing the same character models to avoid putting in actual effort. We are happy with this? VG wants killer exclusives and they are ok with PS4 quality character models? I thought we wanted exclusives because they set the bar thanks to higher budget and production values.
The industry is in a poor state not just becuase of MS, but Sony and other third parties as well. Maybe they ought to release one for Activision who produced another mediocre 2007 era COD game that sold a billion dollars in a week because the journalists didnt raise any stink about it being the third cod title this gen and still not an exclusive next gen title.
remember_spinal
Banned
Don’t understand why people shrug their shoulders and tout gamepass as being the selling point when xbox executives themselves have said they need exclusives and have spent close to 80 billion dollars on the last couple years on getting them?
solidus12
Member
Yes they are, in addition to Demon's Souls and Miles Morales. PlayStation have already proved itself, same can't be said about Xbox, otherwise Phil wouldn't be saying "we don't have games."
And every single one of those games (aside from the safe remake) received significant delays due to the Pandemic. Horizon Forbidden West was initially announced as a 'release window' title. God of War was announced for 2021. Ditto for GT7.
Scheduling luck worked out for Sony in 2022. Delays out of 2021 helped them have a stellar 2022. This will probably play out the same for Xbox in 2023.
Phil: " We know we're lacking in the big games for 2022 after Starfield and Redfall got delayed"
Solidus12: "Phil said xbox has no games"
Christ
bentanchorbolt
Banned
Yes. For awhile now.
Comparison videos are posted on this forum regularly. Generally speaking, Xbox has a slight advantage visually in most cases, and even if they don't I'm still going to keep buying multiplats on Xbox. I don't have a desire to argue with you.
Stuart360
Member
Sony did to be fair to them, but lets not preted this year has been anyhting other than a ghost town game wise, and one of the worst years i can remember.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Cuz people with Xboxes arent exactly starving for games to play?
People are acting like Xboxes are sitting idle because there are literally no games to play, cuz if that was true, no Xboxes would have been sold.
solidus12
Member
He's been saying this since 2017, check page 1 for further informations.
Little Chicken
Member
Only two of these are PS5 exclusive.
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Im so disappointed people still are fans of Phil.
His intentions and personality are fine, but he's had almost 10 years in the job at this point and it has been so lackluster.
He clearly isn't the right guy for this job, even if he seems like a nice person, it just isn't working.
The best XB1 games were released the first year of the console (Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, DR3). And those were greenlit under Don Mattrick. After that it is like they gave up or stopped caring.
His intentions and personality are fine, but he's had almost 10 years in the job at this point and it has been so lackluster.
He clearly isn't the right guy for this job, even if he seems like a nice person, it just isn't working.
The best XB1 games were released the first year of the console (Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, Titanfall, DR3). And those were greenlit under Don Mattrick. After that it is like they gave up or stopped caring.
Topher
Gold Member
I'd sacrifice every game ever to play John's 2D platformer!
what the hell is john's 2d platformer?
He didn't say "exclusive" but Ratchet and Clank is PS5 exclusive.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Not really
If Avowed, Starfield, or Fable were cross gen we’d still be anticipating them
Next gen is a distraction and not the argument. The issue with MS isn’t cross gen vs next gen. It’s the fact that they literally haven’t shown us anything to get excited about from their long list of announced titles
Sony had a ton of great exclusives this year, no reason to be upset with their output even if it’s all cross gen
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Is beyond me that there are people still trying to deflect, defend or negate Xbox pathetic First Party output. (Quality and quantity).
I dunno if a lot of Xbox influencers have this stance about "Xbox management issue are not really true".
But to me is clear as water bad decisions since the second half of the 360 era compounded by whatever happened on the Xbox one generarion. Created this point in time in which triple trillion dollar company feels like noobie at software development.
I dunno if a lot of Xbox influencers have this stance about "Xbox management issue are not really true".
But to me is clear as water bad decisions since the second half of the 360 era compounded by whatever happened on the Xbox one generarion. Created this point in time in which triple trillion dollar company feels like noobie at software development.
solidus12
Member
remember_spinal
Banned
And if we’re being honest both redfall and starfield look every bit as cross-gen as anything else released this year, worse even.
Starfield doesn’t look half as good as Horizon Forbidden West or God of War. Forza will probably look better than GT7 though. Next-gen really doesn’t mean anything right now
movinggoalposts.gif
As an example, Forza Horizon series are 90+ MC games, multi-million sellers on Steam with well over 50k daily concurrent players across all platforms combined. Big reason for many to own an Xbox.
If this article you cling to as Gospel puts forward GT7 as a 'killer exclusive' and a reason to own a PS5, then there shouldn't be any problems with doing the same with the better rated FH5, should there?
Also, none of those articles you site make the claim that's there's no reason to own an Xbox. And as always, you can really only speak for yourself
Banjo64
cumsessed
Demon’s Souls is not exclusive to PS5.
Sackboy, Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7 & God of War Ragnarök are all perfectly playable on PS4 and therefore do not make the PS5 a ‘must buy’.
As I said, main reason to upgrade from last gen is still the SSDs.