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[Jim Ryan other Clone]

I thought we were off to a decent start with Demon Souls (probably could be done on a PS4) and Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart (ray tracing, fur, clarity, tech), but the more games I see the more I am disappointed. I am talking pure visuals here. We arent even getting locked framerates lol. Horzon looked great as well, but I feel like I am still waiting for that next generation leap. Spider-Man 2 I think (hope) will be that game. Isnt releasing on PS4, will have raytracing, studio that has already produced a decent looking PS5 game, and the best selling first party game from PS4 guaranteeing an unreal budget/man power. Are my expectations too high? Man I don't even care if Spiderman 2 is 30fps only. Show me something.

Maybe ray tracing is a pain to implement and its eating resources? Certainly kills overhead on the PC without upscaling. Man I'll even take cartoony games. DokeV looks amazing but will no doubt be downgraded on consoles.

When you typed this post did you notice something? All games you though we're Sony games. The rest don't care that much about graphics and care more to make a passable game and make money.

 

[anthraticus]

And I dont mind graphics is not "high tech", if the art direction is good then I'm more than happy, this is why I love the visuals in FROM games despite not being high tech.

In fact I rather devs focus their resource and time on actual game rather than graphics, the novelty of impressive tech last maybe hour for me, at end of the day the actual gameplay that will keep me playing.

Funny how it should just be an 'icing on the cake' type thing, yet the mainstream/AAA crowd view/treat it like the most important thing ever. They're priorities are completly fucked up.

 

[Danjin44]

Funny how it should just be an 'icing on the cake' type thing, yet the mainstream/AAA crowd view/treat it like the most important thing ever. They're priorities are completly fucked up.

I like pretty visuals as much as the next guy but they way some people here obsess over it as if graphics is the only reason they got in to gaming in the first place.

 

[Toons]

I mean christ... do yall want the polygons to cross the screen boundary and carress your thighs as you play?

Id say we have some pretty freaking good graphics. Facial animation has gone insane especially.

Yall have absolutely ridiculous expectations imo

 

[ACESHIGH]

No they are not, Sony games are purely developed to wring every last ounce of their hardware first and foremost

Yep, specially their upcoming batch of GaaS right if they are smart, those games should have lower specs. GaaS need the PC market to succeed.

 

[El Pistolero]

Been around long enough, every Gen has threads like these.

Yep. Once the heavy hitters start dropping, these hasty opinions will gradually vanish. People seem to forget that the transition period from the last generation to this one has been hurt by the pandemic situation, the impact of which is yet to be completely absorbed. I say wait for Sony first party studios, Rockstar, The Coalition, Playground, Dice and company to release their current-gen exclusives before criticizing the magnitude of the jump.
Having said that, I am not as interested as I had been with textures, lighting and resolution; I would rather developers had focused on animation, particularly, and A.I. "Static" visuals are good enough nowadays, while other important aspects get relegated to an afterthought.

 

[El Pistolero]

Sure. but we havent gotten that either this gen.

Everyone has phoned in this gen. Everyone.

This generation has barely started...

 

[remember_spinal]

Arc Raiders and The Finals already look very ‘next gen’

They look better than im sure whatever Dice will end up putting out

 

[M1chl]

We are getting 60FPS instead of 30FPS, I am not sure what people are expecting. And 60FPS/40FPS/"VRR FPS" is a huge upgrade over previous gen

 

[hussar16]

The games now and their engines are made for 2011 consoles still .don't expect much til unreal 5 games come out

 

[hussar16]

We are getting 60FPS instead of 30FPS, I am not sure what people are expecting. And 60FPS/40FPS/"VRR FPS" is a huge upgrade over previous gen

The 60fps is just a handout because companies refuse to move from 2011 consoles and engines

 

[M1chl]

The 60fps is just a handout because companies refuse to move from 2011 consoles and engines

Yeah, but 60FPS is minimal playbale framerate, I refuse to go back. Well 40 is fine, but in that case it should have more modes.

 

[hussar16]

It'll be the best looking game this year, have some faith bro.

Yay we finally reached unreal engine 4 2013 tech demo levels

 

[remember_spinal]

It'll be the best looking game this year, have some faith bro

Its not as if it has a lot of competition to be fair, unless we count burning shores

FFXVI looks like it will have some nice set pieces

 

[OCASM]

just wait for the next naughty dog game

And the downgrade that follows:

 

[remember_spinal]

And the downgrade that follows:

Downgraded TLOU2 >>>> 99% of games out today

 

[OCASM]

Downgraded TLOU2 >>>> 99% of games out today

Not even as good as Uncharted 4.

 

[remember_spinal]

Not even as good as Uncharted 4.

 

[Synless]

This gen is truly disappointing. I have not been blown away by a single game. Horizon is the closest game that made me think “I can see it”, but even that game was just an update on a game that looked damn close on ps4.

 

[Hunnybun]

It's never too early to implement new tech. We have to start somewhere. While I agree SM/MM RT, while nice, didn't do much for me, Ratchet looks very flat without RT (although it could be that other VFX trimmings with performance mode plays a larger role). Also developers don't have to utilize if they don't want to. But I say let's see how far they can push RT this gen. Like Cerny, I'm "quite bullish" lol.

Ratchet looks exactly the same without RT except for the mirror like reflections on the ship (which itself was obviously designed to create a justification for the RT) and like 4 or 5 other examples. That's it. It's simply wrong to claim that it's a major part of the visuals. Spiderman with all the glass buildings is actually a much better test case for it.

And obviously developers don't have to utilise it - obviously. That's hardly the point.

Your claim that it's never too early to implement new tech is bizarre. What if using RT necessitated games at 480p and 15fps? Would it still be worth the trade off? If not, then you accept my point in principle: it's just a case of whether you think the trade off is worthwhile. My point was that it currently isn't. Very minor benefits almost always at the cost of a large cut to frame rate. The only counter example I've seen so far is Metro Exodus - just maybe that can become the standard, and then it might be worth it.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Downgraded TLOU2 >>>> 99% of games out today

Lol, you keep telling yourself that.

Tell me you don't play many games without telling me you don't play many games.

 

[Falc67]

They already showed you what Spiderman 2 looks like. The trailer is what you can expect - It was real time in engine footage that they showed over a year ago. Also - the little playstation teaser commercial with 3 seconds of footage that just came out the other week... that was in engine too

What 3 second footage are you on about? Most recent stuff had live action mixed with CGI. Where was it confirmed In engine?

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

It's never too early to implement new tech. We have to start somewhere. While I agree SM/MM RT, while nice, didn't do much for me, Ratchet looks very flat without RT (although it could be that other VFX trimmings with performance mode plays a larger role). Also developers don't have to utilize if they don't want to. But I say let's see how far they can push RT this gen. Like Cerny, I'm "quite bullish" lol.



Testify!!!

Ironically, it is the incremental improvements that are making the biggest impressions for me. Visual fidelity has gotten so impressive that the small details will be what separates standout graphics from stuff we've already seen before. Case in point... TLOU Pt. 1. I've come to realize that the SSR was so glaring because most everything else looked so amazing. That's why I say the gains we are to get from diminishing returns are arguably the most consequential because they are the difference between convincing our brains we are viewing visuals imperceptible from reality vs those that
look pretty great, but there's a certain "something" that's off.

Ironically, I thought the SSR reflections in Part 1 are a huge improvement from Part 2's. What wouldve happened to performance though if rt reflections were actually implemented? ND already has trouble getting fidelity mode to perform smoothly. I don't think ps5/sx is powerful enough for the jump we're looking for. I see these consoles coming up against limitations all the time.

 

[RPS37]

We are getting 60FPS instead of 30FPS, I am not sure what people are expecting. And 60FPS/40FPS/"VRR FPS" is a huge upgrade over previous gen

God of War at 60 is next gen to me.
I always thought that.

 

[rofif]

God of War at 60 is next gen to me.
I always thought that.

God of war looks worse than uncharted 4 honestly.
And worse than tlou2. Both are 60fps too

 

[Hunnybun]

God of war looks worse than uncharted 4 honestly.
And worse than tlou2. Both are 60fps too

Pretty debatable that I think. I'd say GOW is the most uneven, but at its best looks better than the others.

 

[RPS37]

I was not amazed the last time I was replaying uncharted 4 on ps5, so I would debate that one.
TLOU2 is being carried by art style I would argue too.
Or rather, GOW vs TLOU2 is more of an opinion on art style.
I don’t feel like GOW is trying to look like real life as much as TLOU2.

 

[Bankai]

The title of this topic just doesn't make any sense.

 

[mrqs]

The title of this topic just doesn't make any sense.

Did you play anything that truly took your breath away? I'm still waiting to be as shocked this generation as I was with inFamouse Second Son and The Order 1886.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Ironically, it is the incremental improvements that are making the biggest impressions for me. Visual fidelity has gotten so impressive that the small details will be what separates standout graphics from stuff we've already seen before. Case in point... TLOU Pt. 1. I've come to realize that the SSR was so glaring because most everything else looked so amazing. That's why I say the gains we are to get from diminishing returns are arguably the most consequential because they are the difference between convincing our brains we are viewing visuals imperceptible from reality vs those that
look pretty great, but there's a certain "something" that's off.

Wholeheartedly agree. In a sense, that's what I mean when I talk about artistry. It would come down to these devs finding creative ways to get the most out of the hardware as it's pretty much always been, but now that would be more important because those small details will be the difference between generic and mind-blowing.

A good example here can be RT. There are scenes in games, that have the same geometric detail, the same everything, but simply going from RT to non-RT can make the game look completely different. Even while running on the very same hardware.

 

[ChiefDada]

Ironically, I thought the SSR reflections in Part 1 are a huge improvement from Part 2's. What wouldve happened to performance though if rt reflections were actually implemented? ND already has trouble getting fidelity mode to perform smoothly. I don't think ps5/sx is powerful enough for the jump we're looking for. I see these consoles coming up against limitations all the time.

You're right, the performance was shaky, but I put that on a work in progress engine and not the hardware. And for the love of God I wish ND would get with the times and implement a reconstruction technique for their engine. Maybe RT would be feasible if they did so. That is why I can't agree with most others who say they are Sony's premier studio. GG, SSM, and Insomniac have all introduced new and amazing reconstruction tech this generation, what the hell is ND doing?

We can't judge the new consoles on cross gen that used old rendering methods. Let's see what GG has been able to accomplish with Horizon Burning Shores which is PS5 only. It won't give us the definitive answer on current gen limitations, but we'll get much better insight in less than 2 months.

 

[OCASM]

Two people on screen at once. Much impressive.

 

[remember_spinal]

Two people on screen at once. Much impressive.

What other goalpost you got?

 

[Sleepwalker]

I know theres a hate boner for it but Callisto Protocol looks really fucking good.

 

[ckaneo]

The title of this topic just doesn't make any sense.

What do you mean?

 

[VeganElduderino]

This thread keeps me busy at work , I love it!

 

[VeganElduderino]

I know theres a hate boner for it but Callisto Protocol looks really fucking good.

Actually looks fucking beautiful , easily one of the best looking game and i don't get hate

 

[Onironauta]

I'm sorry but soooooo sick of whining about graphics in every fucking GAF thread and then you guys whine about why AAA games take so long to make.

I hate to break it to some of you folks, but you're never going to see generational leaps in graphical fidelity like you did in the late 90's-00's.

/thread

 

[OCASM]

What other goalpost you got?

Why do you talk like you somehow proved anything?

 

[93xfan]

Next gen starts when Naughty Dog says so. Believe.

I’ll be waiting for the downgrades and all the short term memory people that don’t remember Uncharted 4 being downgraded 3 times being surprised. Great company, but will be skeptical until release day

 

[BrutalTruth_]

Last of Us 2 is definitely one of the best looking console games ever released, anyone downplaying it is insane.

"downgrade" because it was done on an actual PC then ported on the PS4.

I think the Unreal 5 games will be mindblowing, Hellblade 2 might be amazing if they use Unreal 5 properly.

 

[hussar16]

Ratchet looks exactly the same without RT except for the mirror like reflections on the ship (which itself was obviously designed to create a justification for the RT) and like 4 or 5 other examples. That's it. It's simply wrong to claim that it's a major part of the visuals. Spiderman with all the glass buildings is actually a much better test case for it.

And obviously developers don't have to utilise it - obviously. That's hardly the point.

Your claim that it's never too early to implement new tech is bizarre. What if using RT necessitated games at 480p and 15fps? Would it still be worth the trade off? If not, then you accept my point in principle: it's just a case of whether you think the trade off is worthwhile. My point was that it currently isn't. Very minor benefits almost always at the cost of a large cut to frame rate. The only counter example I've seen so far is Metro Exodus - just maybe that can become the standard, and then it might be worth it.

Ratchet ps5 got downgraded to.i was excited on first reveal be abuse it looked amazing but then on release it looked worse

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

I don't understand people expectations about graphics, its development curve is inevitably logarithmic. The more the tech evolve, the less the gap impress.

Topics that should be more developed are definitely physics (how ridiculous until this day to see everything clipping aka "hey look at my beautiful hair going through my body/clothes and look at my weapon/sword on my back going deep into my ass" or "hey, I'm a magician, half my body is going through this wall and this rock !") and lighting (raytracing is still work in progress).

You should all lower your expectation because you will be less and less impressed each coming generation, at least, in pancake mode (VR is truely a revolution in gaming, including graphics, but still need more iteration to be "mainstream" accepted)

 

[ChiefDada]

Ratchet ps5 got downgraded to.i was excited on first reveal be abuse it looked amazing but then on release it looked worse

Lol no, Ratchet actually improved compared to pre release trailers.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

I can't agree with this at all personally.


Games like Ratchet and Clank and Horizon Forbidden West have completely blown me away. Even games like Spiderman Miles Morales and Demon's Souls at launch blew me away.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

PC games all have minimum specs well below 2070 developers need to account for. Sony can solely develop for the PS5 and get way more out of it than pretty much any PC port. I can't think of many PC games that hold a candle to The Last of US 2 or Horizon Forbidden West when it comes to graphics quality, both of which were developed on the PS4

Exactly.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Rockstar*

*Naughty Dog, to this day TLOU II is unmatched.

 

[Ronin_7]

If Demon Souls, Fortnite & Ratchet didn't impress you then:

- You have unrealistic expectations;
- You will need to wait for Guerrilla & Naughty Dog next gen debut.

 

[SABRE220]

I'm sorry but I'm not going to agree that performance over visuals is 'lazy'.

Aiming for 60fps does not give devs complete leeway to rest on their laurels using last gen pipelines and putting the bare minimumto push the tech forward. We had 60fps games last gen such as doom eternal and battlefield 1(huge upgrades in the same gen even) that were ridiculously impressive, had massive scales and fidelity and were running on pathetic jaguar cpus, 1.2tflop gpus and 5400rpm hdds etc and now after getting ~10xgpu upgrade, vastly superior cpus and streaming systems we barely see a signifigant upgrade even in 60fps games....look at bf2042 its arguably a downgrade.

So again your criteria of basically patting devs on the back for just adding a 60fps and job done is disappointing...you can and should expect more.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I think some people here, need to buy a new TV. I've been blown away by some of the games this gen and more so features like VRR, 120 FPS. All of which kill the last gen consoles.
Playing games on my old LG TV and One X is painfull now and such a backwards step