Dr. Claus
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The newest Fantasy/Old World book: Lords of the Lance. Has a ton of knights in it!
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The newest Fantasy/Old World book: Lords of the Lance. Has a ton of knights in it!
Trogdor1123
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Was thinking the big metal ones with pilots lol
Side note, a free blade knight 40k anime would be something
Dr. Claus
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Oh derp! Then I have no idea lol
Darkmakaimura
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People really up in arms over the reveal of female Custodes.
FunkMiller
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I don’t think the idea of female custodes is so much of a problem, lore wise. It’s entirely possible, and easy to roll in - unlike with Astartes.
But GW have done a terrible job of doing it. You can’t just state in a tweet that they’ve always been there - when there’s been absolutely no reference to them in three decades.
Also, this has dug up the fact that Blackrock and Vanguard are both big shareholders in GW. A lot of people didn’t know this.
GW have shit the bed with this reveal. A real pity. It could have been done so well. They should have listened to ADB when he was writing Master Of Mankind.
Trogdor1123
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When did this happen?
darth.shrimp
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People don't like big muscle mommies?!
Latest codex. Which also, coincidentally, sucks big time.
Trogdor1123
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Did it just drop? I hadn’t seen anything
darth.shrimp
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Up to preorder, but there are rules leaks in many places already.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I'm not a lore master, but I read somewhere that custodes were always men. Some reference to them being selected from "sons"..
Anyway, this is the start and will end with female Space Marines. There are people and groups who are campaigning for this change and are the reason for GW going in this direction.
We all know this is only going to go one way as well. We're not going to see Brothers of Silence or Brothers of Battle.
Dr. Claus
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NecrosaroIII
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I'm gonna start printing my army this week. I was thinking of:
Some state militia halberders, some state missile gunners, some demigryph knights to get started. Maybe a mage, but i can't find a good one for a mage on a gryphon
Some state militia halberders, some state missile gunners, some demigryph knights to get started. Maybe a mage, but i can't find a good one for a mage on a gryphon
Trogdor1123
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I don’t brothers of silence or brothers of battle. That would be dumb.
As for the custodes, not sure how I feel about it. Major kill did a video and it kind of changed my mind a bit. I’ll have to think on it.
FunkMiller
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It's not a lore breaker. The custodes are directly descended from the emperor and their creation is a somewhat different process from the Astartes. They could have just said due to the great rift opening that the Imperium have decided to take the daughters of nobles, as well as the sons. It's just the fact they've done it in such a lazy, ret-con manner that's the problem.
But female Astartes are probably coming, yes. If Primaris marines can exist, then they'll put together a lore justification for female space marines as well. I just hope they make a bit more of a fucking effort with how they do it... rather than just banging out a bloody tweet.
darth.shrimp
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I actually like the idea of female Custodes. Like, a lot. But the day GW try to push female Space Marines, whatever their "lore justification" (I doubt they'd even bother with one to be honest), they can go fuck themselves.... not that I've touched a mini for the last 15 years anyway.
lifa-cobex
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Just learned about it myself....
I stopped playing table top years back but i do enjoy the books.
I stopped playing table top years back but i do enjoy the books.
Dr. Claus
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Lazy dlacktivism. Something as simple as “There have always been female custodians, but they are a very rare breed taken of noble houses who engage in military practices.”
Explains why a daughter would be chosen, that they have knowledge to warrant being chosen over a son, and explains why we have seen none until this point.
FunkMiller
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It's worrying that they haven't even tried to give a lore reason for the change. Lazy as shit, and doesn't bode well for the future.
Dr. Claus
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Very concerning. What is worse are the hordes of mental cases trying to celebrate the chance just because it pisses some folks off, calling them misogynists, bigots, sexists, etc.
Trogdor1123
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It is a bit out of step too for them. Lately, they have been going out of their way to be consistent with Lore. The heresy really forced that. I’d think the writers must be a bit torn on this too given how they could have easily done it through those books.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
And that's why this change exists in the first place. Classic case of the tail wagging the dog.
Same reason why GW will introduce female Astartes. They need to appease the vocal minority. They'll now make sure there aren't any male only factions or forces moving forward.
Ammogeddon
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Just catching up on the latest furore over female Custodes. More female representation in 40K was inevitable and overdue. I’m not keen on the idea of retconning as if they’ve always been there. They’ve spent years building the lore, it’s just lazy. They should be introduced as a new change. It would be more reflective of the cultural and social shift we are actually facing.
Mark my words, you’ll start seeing space marine sprues with female marines in the next 5 years or female head options at the very least.
Mark my words, you’ll start seeing space marine sprues with female marines in the next 5 years or female head options at the very least.
Dr. Claus
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There was already plenty of female representation, one of the more popular and fan favorite factions is literally female only.
Make new named female characters in those armies, don’t just shoehorn it for narcissists who need to see themselves in an army for vain purposes of “representation”.
Ammogeddon
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There’s always going to be a vocal minority that wants female Adeptus Astartes, but they’ll never actually support them by putting their hand in their pocket. The only way GW will make money from the change is forcing it on everyone.
FunkMiller
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It’s probably worth pointing out at this stage that GW has, and always has been, run by a bunch of old lefties.
Warhammer grew out of an Thatcherite culture in the 80s, that also saw 2000ad become hugely popular, and left wing comedy was extremely influential.
40k is a satire. Always has been. Largely about ultra conservative politics, religion, and monolithic institutions.
I know the temptation is to see this kind of stuff as only happening because the hobby has become infected by ’tourists’. But these kinds of progressive changes are absolutely things that the higher ups and creators at GW would champion.
Trogdor1123
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Not sure about all of this. They have spoken about female custodes internally for some time apparently and the only thing that was stopping it was the higher ups.
Major Kill did a decent video on this.
Frankly, it all depends how they do it. And the way they are currently doing it is not good at all.
FunkMiller
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Majorkill thinks he knows a lot more than he actually does.
ADB made the point that he was only stopped from having female custodes because they'd already had the male heads produced in the factory. Which sounds like GW more than anything else. But the higher ups will be well behind female custodes if they think they'll sell. I guess we'll see.
And no, the way they are doing it is terrible. Feels more like a poor comms issue to me though, than senior management. Get your messaging about the lore straight and then make your changes. Just alienating people otherwise.
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Trogdor1123
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It’s true , this could have been an opportunity rather than an issue. It’s a shame.
Side not, I just started the 5th seige of Terra audio book yesterday and my god is it depressing. It’s really well done.
FunkMiller
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I'm back on Master Of Mankind at the moment. I can't do too much Heresy over a long period, so come back to it as the years go by. I'll get to where you are in a couple of years probably
Trogdor1123
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Besides the Ciaphus Cain books, they are my fav so far.I'm back on Master Of Mankind at the moment. I can't do too much Heresy over a long period, so come back to it as the years go by. I'll get to where you are in a couple of years probably
Dr. Claus
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Have you read twice dead king, lords of lances, or oracle and the divine get? All fantastic as well.
Mikado
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As an 80's-era leftie myself, I love me some Sarah Connors, Ellen Ripleys and Deunan Knutes.
It would have been cool at least if GW had different/interesting sculpts for the femstodes - or anything else.
But they won't. They'll just sell a sprue of some ugly heads to add to the existing man bodies. Which basically means it makes no difference at all.
Edit: Not to diminish the concerns from fans of the lore ofc. I'm not really in that camp so I can't say much either way - I just like to paint my little plastic doods. But I can see how someone who spent a lot of time supporting and digging into the fandom would be annoyed if they just randomly change things for no real reason.
It would have been cool at least if GW had different/interesting sculpts for the femstodes - or anything else.
But they won't. They'll just sell a sprue of some ugly heads to add to the existing man bodies. Which basically means it makes no difference at all.
Edit: Not to diminish the concerns from fans of the lore ofc. I'm not really in that camp so I can't say much either way - I just like to paint my little plastic doods. But I can see how someone who spent a lot of time supporting and digging into the fandom would be annoyed if they just randomly change things for no real reason.
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Dr. Claus
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The thing is, we have plenty of those types of character. Celestine, Severina Raine, Bree Jagdea, Anurhada, Lotara Serrin, Shadowsun, Jain Zar, Amberley Vail, Regina Kasteen, etc.
Makariel
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Assasinorum: Kingmaker is a book that is entirely set on a Knight world and covers the politics involved and of course big stompy knights. Absolutely fantastic book that made be buy another knight once I had finished reading it
Black Library - eBook: Assassinorum Kingmaker
www.blacklibrary.com
Regarding the other 'big issue' of the day on female Custodes: what took them so long? Unlike Space Marines, they have never written themselves into a corner regarding the creation of them, Custodes do not "have to be" men and are created in a very different process. Find it funny when tourists show up from the woodworks getting their knickers in a twist over a girl in golden armour. Actually that's not fair towards tourists, as they are usually there to have fun, while the "anti fsm" Grognards that have latched onto this subject seems to revel in negativity. I don't know how someone can get so angry over the gender of a toy soldier. I welcome our golden girls and started building a Custodes jumping at some male space marine and chopping his silly head off:
Currently looking for a suitable head, luckily there's now a wealth of 3rd party bits available that are Stormcast-scale to consider.
Also, space marines are just one successful experiment by Cawl or Bile away from getting more than 1 gender