ReBurn
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Exactly. This game got that score because it's a great game. Redefining gaming isn't what earned it that score. Not to mention it isn't a requirement.
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Was Mario Odyssey worthy of its 97?
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Sure, if you're ignoring Breath of the Wild, Red Dead Redemption 2, Elden Ring, The Last of Us, The Last of Us Part II, Half-Life: Alyx, The Witcher 3, and a bunch of other games.
Super Mario Odyssey has a higher score than all of those games, by the way. It's the highest rated game of all time on Opencritic.
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Astral Dog
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Yes and No
For me its actually one of the weaker 3D Marios,(though they are all awesome games) because of its clumsy joycon controls and gimmicky Moon design, its a game that's well worth a playthrough but its more about collecting trash than challenging platforming levels.
However, its presentation,ambition, polish and content are deserving of high praise and its simply a game that follows trends, fans / critics have been asking for more open level design and Nintendo delivered just that.
my favorite 3D Marios are Galaxy 2,3D World and Mario64DS. And i would rather play a new 2D Mario Bros right now than an Odyssey sequel, its long overdue
tbh i don't like Breath of the Wild that much either compared to other Zeldas
so maybe im just not cool anymore 
For me its actually one of the weaker 3D Marios,(though they are all awesome games) because of its clumsy joycon controls and gimmicky Moon design, its a game that's well worth a playthrough but its more about collecting trash than challenging platforming levels.
However, its presentation,ambition, polish and content are deserving of high praise and its simply a game that follows trends, fans / critics have been asking for more open level design and Nintendo delivered just that.
my favorite 3D Marios are Galaxy 2,3D World and Mario64DS. And i would rather play a new 2D Mario Bros right now than an Odyssey sequel, its long overdue
tbh i don't like Breath of the Wild that much either compared to other Zeldas
so maybe im just not cool anymore 
ReBurn
Gold Member
I mean, none of the games you mentioned are particularly innovative except maybe Half-Life Alyx. They are all good, though, and deserve their scores.
The original comment I replied to was that Odyssey didn't deserve its score because it wasn't innovative and didn't move gaming forward. Aside from Alyx every game you mentioned was in the low risk gaming safe space that formed during the focus group shaped PS360 era and gelled in the PS4/One era. "Zelda is open world now!" is cool, but not particularly innovative.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Each and every one of the games I listed did several things that had never been done in games before and/or did things that reshaped the direction of the industry at large.
Fbh
Member
It'd say it was a solid 85 or maybe even 90.
I really like the variety and creativity of the levels, the cappy mechanic is one of the best new additions the franchise has gotten so far and overall I had a blast with it. But I do think it was too easy and could have used some more actual platforming, it ends up being more of a chill exploration game than a platformer which I found a bit disappointing. Also the moons going for a quantity over quality design was weird.
I really like the variety and creativity of the levels, the cappy mechanic is one of the best new additions the franchise has gotten so far and overall I had a blast with it. But I do think it was too easy and could have used some more actual platforming, it ends up being more of a chill exploration game than a platformer which I found a bit disappointing. Also the moons going for a quantity over quality design was weird.
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Nautilus
Banned
Its a better game than all of those examples you gave, that's why.
DragoonWalker
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Assigning a granular number score which implies objectivity to a subjective and variable experience highly dependent on one's own preferences and life experience, is a fool's errand and an exercise in futility.
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Just like Ragnarok
remember_spinal
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James Sawyer Ford
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Looks like the majority here disagree.
It's a great game, just not the greatest game of all time (or anywhere near it).
Kataploom
Gold Member
Some here putting Odyssey bellow Sunshine, lmao... I couldn't even play Sunshine last time on the SM3DAS because I came from playing Odyssey and couldn't stand it's low framerate and inferior controls... And Sunshine has very good controls compared to basically anything (all 3D marios in general).
I don't know if the game deserves 97, but it's incredible, I'd say I don't like the moon bloat but let's be honest, only those that need to do EVERYTHING in a game are the ones complaining
I don't know if the game deserves 97, but it's incredible, I'd say I don't like the moon bloat but let's be honest, only those that need to do EVERYTHING in a game are the ones complaining
eastcoastkody
Member
it was great. but 97 is probably high
I feel like i beat it quicker than other 3D Mario's
I feel like i beat it quicker than other 3D Mario's
BusierDonkey
Member
I thoroughly enjoyed every second I spent with it and am hoping the next Mario game is another Odyssey game.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Odyssey is as good as sunshine, galaxy 1&2 and they all are more pleasant to play than Mario 64.
Maybe I'm missing the subtleties of the hardcore Mario fans.
So I'm not sure how I would rate it, I am annoyed by the amount of unnecessary text I Nintendo games since the GameCube days... So I can barely play these games.
Maybe I'm missing the subtleties of the hardcore Mario fans.
So I'm not sure how I would rate it, I am annoyed by the amount of unnecessary text I Nintendo games since the GameCube days... So I can barely play these games.
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cinnamonandgravy
Member
it was good, happy it was made, would like a sequel, but... i dont know, i didnt have a ton of fun, and only a little tiny bit of the music was memorable.
Katajx
Gold Member
Yes, this is how a new system should launch with those kind of heavy hitters year 1. I enjoyed this game immensely even though I would have liked them to do some things differently. It was 3D Mario and it was fun to me the whole way through.
I liked collecting the coins to unlock all of the suits for Mario, but I had wished they affected gameplay in some way instead of being cosmetics.
Chronicle
Member
No that game is hot garbage. Got it for my daughter and it's sparse and the gameplay is terrible. You literally run on the spot for like a second or two before you move. Fucking stab! It made me realize it's just nerd nostalgia that keeps nintendo popular. Terrible awful game. Come at me geeks!
I agree.
I think the biggest factor in overrating a game (in my opinion of course) is the IP aura. Then the potential player's reaction (it's tied to the popularity of the IP in a way but not entirely) and only after that publisher's pressure.
I genuinely think that because it's 3D Mario and it's Nintendo they think everything in this game is pure genius. It's instinctive at this point.
I'd say the same for Halo Infinite's 87.
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Hitchyhero
Banned
I never played 64 when it originally released (I have since though)...my first 3d Mario was sunshine. I don't know why sunshine gets a bad rep as I thought it was a brilliant game. I love the jumping mechanics along with flud.... And it's think the platforming was million times better than anything that was in odysee.
Looking back at sunshine I think the art direction was better too but that may be nostalgia kicking in.
Imo sunshine is a much better game. Odysee was not challenging, and I didn't like the levels that much. I also prefer galaxy to odysee.
Looking back at sunshine I think the art direction was better too but that may be nostalgia kicking in.
Imo sunshine is a much better game. Odysee was not challenging, and I didn't like the levels that much. I also prefer galaxy to odysee.
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semiconscious
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super mario galaxy also got a 97 meta, & it was a much more imaginative game, imo. so, there's that...
Yes. It revolutionized Mario in such a simple thing he always had, his hat. There was someone at Nintendo that said, hey, what if we use his hat for movement and then like all things from Nintendo they knew how to expend upon that. I think this simple twist of something that in hindsight so obvious is why this is such an amazing game.
It's also polished, runs perfectly, music is amazing, and art is beautiful.
It's also polished, runs perfectly, music is amazing, and art is beautiful.
This is a solid 8/10. I enjoyed it, but was still slightly disappointed. The game is good, controls are good, worlds are mostly fun, but it has too many collectibles, and it was a bit too easy.
I do not regret playing it, but it is not close to a game like the Galaxy games, and I was unwilling to play those for the longest of time. When I did, I had a blast with them.
I do not regret playing it, but it is not close to a game like the Galaxy games, and I was unwilling to play those for the longest of time. When I did, I had a blast with them.
Captain Toad
Banned
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Worth a 92 for me personally, amazing game, but not that amazing.
Nautilus
Banned
What majority?
And who said about being the greatest game of all time? And even then, how those games you listed are contenders of best of all time? Plently of people disliked BOTW, and Elden Ring, much like Mario Odyssey.
I think it's worse, all we can say for sure is that the general interest with this game died within months unlike a lot of those other examples.
When critics or gamers talk about the GOTG or the GOAT it is rarely brought up.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Looks at my post that you quoted. I stated there that it's a 97 on Opencritic, which makes it the greatest game of all time according to that score. No game has scored higher.
Paltheos
Member
Captain Toad
You are, of course, invited to respond in earnest.Yeah you might be right. I might be selling some of the environments short because of how bland or boring most of the content is. Luncheon Kingdom is a standout location too - Really creative (again, not that I'm looking for aesthetic in a Mario game but if it's there, all due). Now that I'm thinking about it again, it reminds me a little bit of those levels in DK: Tropical Freeze that dice fruit and have you use them as temporary platforms while dodging the hazards of the cutting instruments too iirc? I hadn't seen something like that before in a platformer, and I enjoyed those levels the most in that game.