One reason I never log on to Windows with my Live account. Only using offline accounts
Throughout history it has been shown time and time again that you cannot make the world "safer" without devolving into a blind tyranny. Censorship, Hate Speech, Safe Spaces; these things all revolve around the notion that someone gets to decide what everyone else isn't able to tolerate. Who gets to define these things and where do they get the authority? To try and stem harassment is to deny an inherent part of reality.Your view on these things is sad, the solution to harassment is to stem the harassment, not to grow a thicker skin.
Your personal experience with searching out suffering is something I can relate to, 15 years ago I was on a path of self destruction, my wife saved me from that.
My wife is also the answer to the question of at what point words harm you. She internalised all the hate and prejudice she received, started to believe that her wheelchair was her defining feature, that she deserved the pain other people inflicted, the barrage of insults and snide remarks. Her nervous breakdown was complete and devastating, suicidal tendencies and all the other things.
There you go, that's our story.
No.So for those that don't want to read the whole thing it's basically talking about how organizations and law enforcement are considering the "show me your papers" approach to online gaming in very slick speech so that they can track and have everyones information
Throughout history it has been shown time and time again that you cannot make the world "safer" without devolving into a blind tyranny. Censorship, Hate Speech, Safe Spaces; these things all revolve around the notion that someone gets to decide what everyone else isn't able to tolerate. Who gets to define these things and where do they get the authority? To try and stem harassment is to deny an inherent part of reality.
You can only make people stronger. Growing a thicker skin isn't meant to be dismissive of people being assholes. It's meant to build you as a person, so that if you are exposed to the shittier sides of life or people, you have a strong enough sense of self to not be bothered by them. I had a teacher who used to tell me that "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can forever hurt me". I thought that was so profound to think of how hurtful words can be. What I didn't realize though is that it misses the entire point of the original phrase. Sure, words CAN hurt you. They can be terribly damaging for someone. However they don't HAVE to hurt you. The original phrase is one of personal empowerment and is attempting to strengthen you rather than leave you as a victim.
It sounds like your wife is not the answer to at what point words harm you (because that is entirely subjective), but rather what happens when someone doesn't develop or never understood the importance of developing a solid sense of self. My condolences to the suffering she felt, but that doesn't sound like an example we should all strive to replicate.
OP's summary is disingenuous. Getting death threats from people who have your address and phone number is serious, and there should be some avenue for law enforcement to do it's job.
Now the article is conflating the serious saftey issues with "safe spaces" as well, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here.
I doubt this story is real, but even if it was this isn't a video games problem, it's an inthernet problem, if you post personal info online don't be surprised that people have access to that info.
So for those that don't want to read the whole thing it's basically talking about how organizations and law enforcement are considering the "show me your papers" approach to online gaming in very slick speech so that they can track and have everyones information..
Look, this is not meant to be a tit for tat shit flinging fest..You know what, I regret getting involved in this, I did a terrible job of trying to communicate my point of view, and instead allowed it to fall into tit for tat.
I disagree with those that feel that people should just get over it, I feel that punishing the attacker is better than ignoring the attacked. I really should have just started with that.
Look, this is not meant to be a tit for tat shit flinging fest..
I don't think we should ignore the attacked either, so hey we have some agreement there. The potential issue I see with punishing the "attacker" (with online harassment being the example here), is that it opens the door to tyrannical forces that can easily spiral out of control, even if they were done with the best of intent. It is a dangerous game to play.
What we can always do though, is empower the person who was hurt in the situation so that in the future, they don't need anyone but themselves to withstand it. I appreciate your take on this to dude. It's important to address how people behave and if we should do anything about it. Thanks for being willing to have that discussion.
I did none of the above.
I am fully cognisant of the fact that newspapers often dramatise things to get more eyes.
What I do take umbridge with is when people dismiss the actual problems that are highlighted, regardless of the medium.
You're 100% right. But when far left rags start attacking free speech it never stops with just the worst of the worst. You say you like GAF from days gone by, but anyone whose been here for 6 years knows damn well what happens when these narratives are allowed to fester without push back. It starts with the worst of the worst, but quickly slides to the point that even innocuous speech leads to losing accounts if just one lunatic takes issue with it. So pardon those of us who remember and don't want to let major newspapers "who are just starting a conversation" pushy Sony, Nintendo, and MS to ban anyone they don't like from their platforms.You know, I used to like Gaf a lot more when we talked about video games, not about how manly men are offended by the fact that people don’t like when they call them faggots on the internets.
Being an asshole might be free speech, but I that doesn’t mean we have to put up with your crap.
China's social credit system, in addition to being the biggest bunch of bullshit, is something that would not fly in the US due to our first amendment (you can't provide conditions for expression, and what's the point of a social credit system if not to control what people say and do). It's arguable that anonymity may be part of the 4th amendment. Though it guarantees no privacy, the Supreme Court has routinely ruled that privacy is an implication of the amendment and a right protected by the Constitution. So this kind of stuff won't be coming from the US government.Blizzard is half way there. All they have to do is enforce "show real name" which is currently a selectable option. Same with Xbox Live. This is not difficult to do at all and I think some sort of regulation is in the future. China is doing it via their "social credit rating" system, which is a more extreme version I think than what western countries would sign up for, but some elements like removing anonymity from the Internet might be a possibility.
I more or less think of them as the "representative" of the crybaby-left, similar to how Fox News is the "representative" of the crybaby-right.Good ole WaPo doing their due diligence as puppets of the establishment. More control, control, control.
Can anyone actually imagine how this could even be achievable? People you play with on XBL just knowing your address, your home number and even your mother's mobile? I want to give the story the benefit of the doubt, but I literally can't fathom how this could be possible.
OR...you know....maybe they want to clamp down on an environment that is truly toxic and harmful, for the good of everyone in said environment.
As for "standard online trash talk", it's dismissive attitudes like that which mean that the victims of such bullying feel like they have nowhere to turn to because nobody will care.
Bullying and insulting is NEVER acceptable behaviour, and the sooner people get introduced to the idea that they are accountable, the better the world will be.
"But muh free speech" is tired and old. Freedom of expression is fine, up until a point where it is harmful to others, and then there need to be consequences for crossing that line. "Joking" about rape, paedophilia, murder and racism are undeniably far past that line.
As someone who has never been a victim of online abuse, I am fine with the idea of tools to protect those that have.
I'm not saying it's not possible. But as I've already said, I've never seen a reverse IP lookup that was useful enough to get any info that could lead to getting a guy's phone number and his mother's. It's possible that the cross referenced info, I just have a hard time imagining a bunch of trolls on XBL going through all that effort just to fuck with a guy for about 30 minutes one night.You can make an educated guess using public IP address and then cross referencing that with the username (many times people use the same username across different platforms and you can figure out their real name). Or you call into support chat claiming to be that person and use social engineering.
I'm not saying it's not possible. But as I've already said, I've never seen a reverse IP lookup that was useful enough to get any info that could lead to getting a guy's phone number and his mother's. It's possible that the cross referenced info, I just have a hard time imagining a bunch of trolls on XBL going through all that effort just to fuck with a guy for about 30 minutes one night.
The support route is possible but they generally want info in the first place to confirm your ID. it was also apparently all done during a night so I have no idea if support would even be open. And again, I just find it hard to believe they'd go through all that effort.
Where is Toxci City? And why they want rid of it?
Free speech doesn't apply to these online platforms. They're private spaces that we sign up for under terms of the providers so, they can and should limit how we communicate with each other to help prevent shit like the Fortnite story. That is just all kinds of fucked up. I don't know how you solve it but they shouldn't just do nothing and hide behind the free speech banner. Free speech doesn't apply here.
Ffs all platforms and even social media have block, mute and ignore features, if someone is being a wanker to you, just use the tools the platform as provided to cut all communication/interaction with said wanker. End of story
People crying on the Internet because some random avatar on a screen typed out some words, some people need to grow up big time imo.
Video games are private surroundings where you have to follow the rules of the owner.
This is not a free speech issue.
If people can't behave in online games there should be ways to remove them.
The question is really how this can be enforced properly to create a surrounding where people can play without having to expect to run into assholes. And this probably can't be achieved just through bans, but it there need to be efforts to combat this toxicity from within the industry.
Some are already doing that but overall, the industry still seems very indifferent to they type of audience and type of discourse surrounding their products. Creators need to realize that the responsibility that comes with creating media for hundreds of millions of people is significant.