ChorizoPicozo
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What do you think Microsoft needs to do to become successful?
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ComputerBlue
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I’ve heard this same bullshit excuse so many times over the years that it feels like copypasta. I even changed the dates for you, you can go back many years and your comment will be in its natural habitat.
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feynoob
Banned
I think you guys need to do more research on what is happening in the gaming industry.
feynoob
Banned
Sorry that you dont like their games.Gameplay?.
They are focusing from rts, racing, pvp pirate, shooter, turn based, Sim. Those are community based gameplay games. Its why their games feels PCs.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
.Sorry, you don't know the definition of "gameplay".
Deputy Moonman
Member
I interpreted that to mean multiplayer but could easily be wrong. MS and Nintendo have always done multiplayer better. Sony relies on 3rd party support. Nothing wrong with that.Gameplay?.
ChorizoPicozo
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Topher
Gold Member
What Microsoft has been doing isn't enough. Not as far as game output is concerned. Single player games is definitely a spot where Microsoft can improve and bring in a broader audience. That doesn't mean giving up what they already have. It means building on it. And they will be doing that. Those narrative driven games are on the way. That's what Starfield, Avowed, Hellblade 2 and others are and those games will help build a solid foundation for a gaming library that is badly needed.
feynoob
Banned
Do you understand that gameplay, isnt exclusive to story telling games?Gameplay = multiplayer?
There are tons of ways to have good games with unique gameplay.
MS just choose different option, which works for them. Sony same too. Nothing wrong with that.
DavidGzz
Member
Xbox and Xbox 360 were two good gens in a row, Xbox One was a mistep. The current gen will be their best yet.
Everyone is hurrying up and getting their licks in before the gen starts popping off for them expecially if the Acti-Blizz deals goes through. Plage Tale, Pentiment, Wo Long, and then Diablo 4 on Game Pass soon and they are just getting started. The PS4 didn't begin being good until almost 2 years in starting with Bloodborne. Patience.
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MrTroubleMaker
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Make boring cinematic games that woke game reviews love...
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Do you understand that I am not talking about narrative driven games?
You are assuming things.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
They’re already successful
feynoob
Banned
What you want is that.
Those are the games who usually wins Goty, then you get weird games like hades, it takes 2, and stray. Or if you are fromsoft.
MS prefers engagement, as those what keeps gamers engage on your console. From RPG games, to racing to MP, to shooter SP. Its all about letting players have a replay value. Its why I called it PCs. Its not exclusive to MP.
Each of their recent studios have all been about that.
ComputerBlue
Member
I think it’s time for you to realize that Microsoft has been feeding you the same crap for years and you keep eating it up. My last Xbox is an Xbox One, and there’s slim to no chance of me ever buying another because their output has been abysmal for the past decade. Buying studios in the past hasn’t changed their output in terms of quality and consistency, don’t know if it will in the future.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
No. Again, you are assuming things.
How did I define GOTY? I am not talking about the awards.
So?
Excuses.
Like Horizon or God of War?
Like Gran Turismo?
SP? Did you mean multiplayer, 10 year platform like Halo Infinite, right?
Replay value dosen't exclude AAA GOTY/New IPs.
And Sony is not investing in "gameplay, engagement, replay value" games?.
feynoob
Banned
This is why I keep telling people to do some research.
This is MS/Xbox studios, which was making content for them. Study clear, and see why they suffered massively from lack of content.
Turn 10 Studios (2001)
Rare (2002)
343 Industries (2007)
The Coalition (2010)
Playground Games (2018) (was already making games for them)
Mojang Studios (2014)
Undead Labs (2018) (Was already making games for them)
Compulsion Games (2018)
Ninja Theory (2018)
Obsidian Entertainment (2018)
The Initiative (2018)
World’s Edge (2019)
Double Fine Productions (2019)
Closed studios
BUNGIE
- Founded: 1991
- Bought by Microsoft: 2000
- Status: Alive, but Separated
DIGITAL ANVIL
- Founded: 1996
- Bought By Microsoft: 2000
- Status: Closed in 2006
ENSEMBLE
- Founded: 1995
- Bought by Microsoft: 2001
- Status: Closed in 2008
LIONHEAD STUDIOS
- Founded: 1997
- Bought By Microsoft: 2006
- Status: Closed in 2016
PRESS PLAY
- Founded: 2006
- Bought By Microsoft: 2012
- Status: Closed in 2016
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
What does that mean?
Except back then they didn’t have many active games in development. They had very few studios and projects. 2023 was always the year things would start 2018 plus 5 years. The studios they purchased deserve 5 years before crying about it. The only studio over due is ninja therory and needs to deliver in 2023. The studios who need the least work put games out 2019 or later outside ninja therory.
Obsidian October 25, 2019 outer worlds.
Inexile wasteland 3 August 28, 2020
Compulsion we happy few 10 August 2018
Undead labs state of decay 2 May 18, 2018
Double fine psconaughts 2 August 25, 2021
Ninja therory hell blade August 8, 2017
Playground delivered forza 5 and started a new studio who is working on fable.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It means that you don't even realize how right you are.
PhaseJump
Banned
feynoob
Banned
That is what Goty is.
Unless you mean epic games, which people like to play and they still do.
Ms is missing "Interactive section" as
Topher
said.That is not RPG. People need to seriously search what "RPG" means.
2 different type of racing. Sim/ and the other one. MS flight Sim.
I guess you are taking the piss here.
Just say "New IP".
lets not bring Sony here. They have no reason to be mentioned. Dont want to derail the topic.
8BiTw0LF
Banned
No multiplayer paywall - Microsoft has it's own servers. Take the hit, but gain customer goodwill.
Free to play games, where the users come first - not the monetization. Halo Battle Royale, Gears Battle Royale and Forza Battle Royale - F2P. Give monthly extra stuff to GamePass subscribers ala Twitch Prime.
Focus more on quality instead of quantity. 40% of GamePass games could be cut and no one would care.
Free to play games, where the users come first - not the monetization. Halo Battle Royale, Gears Battle Royale and Forza Battle Royale - F2P. Give monthly extra stuff to GamePass subscribers ala Twitch Prime.
Focus more on quality instead of quantity. 40% of GamePass games could be cut and no one would care.
Mister Wolf
Member
Release Starfield and Avowed in 2023.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
You ask me to define GOTY. And I did. is not about the awards perse. Is about the quality and the zeitgeist they achieve. (In the context of AAA)That is what Goty is.
Unless you mean epic games, which people like to play and they still do.
Ms is missing "Interactive section" as
Videogames are not caged in one "pure" genre anymore. They have become more like hybrid genres.
That is not what you meant. Don't try to spin it.
The moment you said:
"MS direction has been gameplay"
How can you take that statement seriously?
No. You need to be quite categorical.
Because you are the one assuming that:
1. AAA/GOTY/New Ips = narrative driven games.
2. That for some reason Narrative Driven Games = no "gameplay"
One dosen't exclude the other. MS is lacking in AAA/GOTY/New IPs regardless of the type of game.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
100% accurate. Trolls are scared. The future has been obvious for a while now.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
This ridiculous Xbox is doomed narratives ending?
fart town usa
Gold Member
Remaster Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding.
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
Only when people ignore them. They will milk it as long as they can.
levyjl1988
Banned
I hope Halo TV series Season 2 does not fail. More action and less CW drama crap.
feynoob
Banned
You are having issues with that.
What quality do you really want? More gameplay? Graphic overhaul? Focus story? There are too many quality options. You cant just go a head and say quality games.
Nintendo games are garbage graphic, yet gameplay is good. Do you mean that type of quality?
You cant put a skin to a genre, and call it another genre.
You can have RPG elements, but that wont make it RPG.
GT/Motorsport/Flight Sim are sims. While horizon is arcade.
They arent heavy based story. They are gameplay focused. Meaning your focus is the gameplay "Less story, more gameplay".
They have a problem with their IPs. They need new IPs, which can give you what you want.
Narritive games have the advantage of using emotions, which is a powerful tool. You can attract audience that way, by telling compelling story. But that alone isnt enough. You need to have a good gameplay, which can carry the story.
In essence, both have to complement each other. Rd2 with arthur, Gow with kratos new family.
For someone like MS, you wont find that much. Since their games covers all kind of genre.
Only new IPs can deliver that. Current IP wont work well with that. Unless they reboot halo.
see above.
MS have certain type of genre, which doesnt get goty recognition. FH5. Despite winning some awards, it didnt win goty, due to its being a racing game.
The point is, they need a new IP with a different genre. A game, which can have a chance for those. That is what "You" want.
You could have saved everyone from these posts.
feynoob
Banned
Can you for once, please I beg you, acknowledge MS short coming?
Those suits neglected the brand, to a point, they allowed Xbox to have soo little studios until 2018.
Please criticize them. Dont wank for them.
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Have you seen the title of this thread?
feynoob
Banned
Yes I did. And its justified honestly. This year is proof that MS isnt taking Xbox seriously.
One of the key point that I hate about MS is stopping x360 3rd party program.
Its really bad, that they stopped doing that. Those are what made x360 great. Especially when xbox had low studios head count. I dont see that now.
The only timed exclusives are just b- and below tier.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Wait, someone thinks Xbox isn’t a success already? Good lord, lol.
Chukhopops
Member
So at what point does MS become successful since they already have passed the 100M MAUs back in Jan 2021?
Can only one brand be successful in each market? Is Samsung not successful in smartphones because Apple makes more money?
I can’t believe the amount of shitting on MS for any reason those days. Feels like a full time job to constantly spend the energy to quote-mine, distort and repeat the same crap ad nauseum.
Can only one brand be successful in each market? Is Samsung not successful in smartphones because Apple makes more money?
I can’t believe the amount of shitting on MS for any reason those days. Feels like a full time job to constantly spend the energy to quote-mine, distort and repeat the same crap ad nauseum.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Is not that I want.
Is:
What do you think Microsoft needs to do to become successful?
MS has good hardware
MS has good ecosystem.
MS has the best value in gaming, aka GP.
Why is MS lacking?:
AAA/GOTY/New IPs. Consistently.
I dunno why is so hard for you to understand:
AAA/GOTY/New IPs.
I already told you. I will tell you again:
AAA = The highest production values, big Scope, Bleeding Edge technology.
GOTY= Quality, zeitgeist-Generation defining. Etc
So, an RPG cannot be a AAA/GOTY game?
You are talking about "replay value, gameplay, engagement"
Gran Turismo fits that.
. I will fix you poor argument:MS identity has been co-op/multiplayer driven. And that's about it.
A game being " gameplay driven" has nothing to do with being or not being AAA/GOTY.
Halo and Gears were once AAA/GOTY/New IPs.
Is not what I want
Is:
What do you think Microsoft needs to do to become successful?
You keep focusing in Narratives Games, that is not the only issue MS has:
MS is lacking in AAA/GOTY/New IP Regardless of type of game.
Wrong. MS neglected the production of AAA/GOTY/New IP regardless of genre
Is not what I want
Is:
What do you think Microsoft needs to do to become successful?
feynoob
Banned
Its all boils down to this. These 2 are the ones that would deliver, what you want.
To get a goty, or what ever you are looking for, they would need to make new IPs. And they need to drop those games consistantly. That way, they could have a hit or two. Until then, wait for them to hit that train.
Nothing happens magically. It takes time.
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Chukhopops
Member
Why do you try to force your opinion on others and why do people have to acknowledge anything?
Why do you pretend to know how « fans » feel about the brand or service?
Let me give you my perspective:
- I have an XSX and a slightly aging PC;
- I pay for GPU;
- I have seen a steady stream of games I have enjoyed in the service this year. The list is too long to be quoted but stuff like Total War Warhammer 3, Tunic, Immortality, Weird West, Norco, Hitman Trilogy and many others;
- What am I supposed to be upset about? Does it matter that those games are not exclusive when it would have cost me the price of a Series console to buy them all?
Your argument seems to be that MS is bad because they don’t have God of War or Spider-Man and that’s a fair opinion. But not everyone thinks that and personally I don’t give a shit about either, give me a good, well curated service offering AA and indie games and I’ll be delighted.
So in short, I’m not acknowledging shit.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Define success for them.
If you think it's releasing games like God of War, look elsewhere.
They are pretty successful with what they put out and have a fanbase.
If you think it's releasing games like God of War, look elsewhere.
They are pretty successful with what they put out and have a fanbase.
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