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crackajack
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I don't want them to fail. Just to keep Sony on their best behavior, we absolutely need them. Especially after Nintendo kind of is their own thing now, detached from generations and them sort of fighting with mobile in another league, meanwhile PC creating an insane gap between top notch high end and leaving afforadble gaming hw behind, which is destined to stumble sooner than later for a bit, so it's just the two who deliver.
I also would hope MS brings their own handheld, and their own VR thing. Sony abandoned or disappointed in those areas. The series S as a handheld... and a VR headset compatible with a console AND PC? That might interest me even with lack of exclusives but then gamepass and cross buy might be enough.
The 360 was the only piece of hw I regret buying. Even the PS VR1 was a better package. The moment wiinect was focused on they set the foundation for today and even if their acquired studios would not underperform it will take some monumental effort to turn that old misguided course around.
I wanted GFWL to succeed, but they cut support after a couple of months, which annoyed me.
Gamepass might not be great in the long term implications of what it changes, but it made PS+ jumping on that bandwagon too and improved its content 1000%. So for now, as a customer, I am absolutely a fan, even if I use the competition.
I don't see how acquiring Bethesda and others is not already showing some results, the weird thing is Covid probably helped them get a break, stopping Sony much more than them, and they still could not get a schedule on track and it seems nothing will stop Sony outselling them massively for the next months and third parties will immediately adjust priorities and rather make deals with the better performing plattform, unless MS is willing to buy their loyalty, which would only work if they get their own act together. More HiFi Rushs which might not set the world on fire, but before a big success they need continous small (and some bigger) drops.
I also would hope MS brings their own handheld, and their own VR thing. Sony abandoned or disappointed in those areas. The series S as a handheld... and a VR headset compatible with a console AND PC? That might interest me even with lack of exclusives but then gamepass and cross buy might be enough.
The 360 was the only piece of hw I regret buying. Even the PS VR1 was a better package. The moment wiinect was focused on they set the foundation for today and even if their acquired studios would not underperform it will take some monumental effort to turn that old misguided course around.
I wanted GFWL to succeed, but they cut support after a couple of months, which annoyed me.
Gamepass might not be great in the long term implications of what it changes, but it made PS+ jumping on that bandwagon too and improved its content 1000%. So for now, as a customer, I am absolutely a fan, even if I use the competition.
I don't see how acquiring Bethesda and others is not already showing some results, the weird thing is Covid probably helped them get a break, stopping Sony much more than them, and they still could not get a schedule on track and it seems nothing will stop Sony outselling them massively for the next months and third parties will immediately adjust priorities and rather make deals with the better performing plattform, unless MS is willing to buy their loyalty, which would only work if they get their own act together. More HiFi Rushs which might not set the world on fire, but before a big success they need continous small (and some bigger) drops.
killatopak
Member
I think Steam has a decent chance with its library and Steam Deck gaining headway, they could even bring back Steam Machines.
First party Valve games are good lures.
fart town usa
Gold Member
I don't want Xbox to fail. Series X is a great piece of hardware and I want to see a sequel to Ghostwire so I'll be forced to buy one.
I mentioned it in a separate thread but Phil's recent comments should be used as an out for Xbox to rethink the way they make games. They should focus on smaller games (360 type games), get them on gamepass in a timely manner. They could compete with Sony and Nintendo if they had an absolute playground of smaller more videogamey type experiences instead of trying to make AAA work with gamepass. 360 had that and they could do it again. Xbox has to offer something truly unique that draws heads on a consistent basis. Trickling out games via gamepass and making people wait, only to be disappointed, is just gonna lead to them leaving the console space.
I'm glad that Phil said what he said. It's been beyond embarrassing watching various influencers and gaffers try to flex like Xbox is still in the same league as Nintendo and Sony. I'm sorry but Xbox isn't and hasn't been for quite some time. Need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's a new day.
I mentioned it in a separate thread but Phil's recent comments should be used as an out for Xbox to rethink the way they make games. They should focus on smaller games (360 type games), get them on gamepass in a timely manner. They could compete with Sony and Nintendo if they had an absolute playground of smaller more videogamey type experiences instead of trying to make AAA work with gamepass. 360 had that and they could do it again. Xbox has to offer something truly unique that draws heads on a consistent basis. Trickling out games via gamepass and making people wait, only to be disappointed, is just gonna lead to them leaving the console space.
I'm glad that Phil said what he said. It's been beyond embarrassing watching various influencers and gaffers try to flex like Xbox is still in the same league as Nintendo and Sony. I'm sorry but Xbox isn't and hasn't been for quite some time. Need to wake up and smell the coffee. It's a new day.
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XXL
Member
Stop with the persecution complex, it's getting old.
Also, people trying to use the fear of a monopoly are extremely short sighted.
Sega left, Xbox replaced them. There is no reason to believe that wouldn't happen again.
If Xbox wants a place in this I industry, they should earn it (like Playstation and Nintendo) not be given it out of pity or fear.
All in all, I would prefer they figure things out and thrive, but I'm skeptical if that is going to happen.
Also, people trying to use the fear of a monopoly are extremely short sighted.
Sega left, Xbox replaced them. There is no reason to believe that wouldn't happen again.
If Xbox wants a place in this I industry, they should earn it (like Playstation and Nintendo) not be given it out of pity or fear.
All in all, I would prefer they figure things out and thrive, but I'm skeptical if that is going to happen.
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Quezacolt
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I don't want microsoft to fail, i want them to be good as they were during the og xbox and the 360 era, not this thing they are now.
They only care about selling you gamepass now. Where's the quality we had during those first 2 generations?
If they have to fail in order to go back to what they were so be it.
Sony learned with their mistakes from the ps3 first years. Microsft is making mistakes for the second generation in a row now.
They only care about selling you gamepass now. Where's the quality we had during those first 2 generations?
If they have to fail in order to go back to what they were so be it.
Sony learned with their mistakes from the ps3 first years. Microsft is making mistakes for the second generation in a row now.
NightmareFarm
Member
I 100% agree there. One thing I hate is that pretty much all of their exclusives nowadays are western. And that explains why they're all soulless, so story focused and overly cinematic.
I think inFAMOUS and R&C are exceptions to the rule though, they need to get inFAMOUS back up and running and pump out ratchet more consistently.
cireza
Member
Have you tried starting your console and playing a game ? Because I am also an Xbox gamer and there are thousands of games available. The beginning of the year had a lot of new games already. What are you waiting for ?
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Lunarorbit
Member
When you treat your console like dog shit and barely release games this is the response you're going to get.
How do you think change gets made in the video game industry? Vote with your wallet and complaining online are people's recourses
How do you think change gets made in the video game industry? Vote with your wallet and complaining online are people's recourses
Umbasaborne
Banned
No one wants them to fail. We have nothing positive to say because their output sucks right now. Once their output doesnt suck, we will start being nice to them
FalsettoVibe
Member
I want them to do better, but they are digging a hole and if they don't do something fast, it seems it will be impossible to climb out of. As Phil stated, digital ecosystems are important and right now, a lot of people bought into PlayStation's last gen. So far this gen, that trend seems to continue. Also, I'm not so sure about their subscription model is working in their favor when it comes to hooking people into their ecosystems since people can come and go easily.
nowhat
Member
That's right. As Kratos (ironically enough in this context) said: "Don't be sorry. Be better."
XXL
Member
Sorry, can you elaborate? I don't understand your point.
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ToTTenTranz
Banned
No.
This is a discussion forum and people are not only free but also expected to provide their opinion on the things they take an interest in.
This. We’re better off without MS running the industry to the ground.
With that said, I don’t want them to fail. I want them to be forever 3rd placer.
akaFullmetal
Member
Good thing then that this is the only place talking about Xbox this way ......no other recent articles or media sites......
NightmareFarm
Member
Yes. Sony has done nothing but pump out the most generic ass soulless overly cinematic games since about 2016. TLOU, GOW, RDR2, even Spider-Man. Completely soulless, casualised and sterilised. Just compare this to their output in the 2000s with games like Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, inFAMOUS.
Microsoft exclusives at least value fun over realism. I'll take funky games like Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct and Hifi Rush over TLOU2, HFW and whatever next "hold left stick forward to walk" game they pump out. And by game I mean remaster of a 5 year old game listed as a PS5 exclusive "remake".
XXL
Member
rickybooby87
Member
The real question is why does Microsoft/Xbox want the Xbox to fail?
Riky
$MSFT
They won publisher of the year with the highest score in history in 2021.
They didn't deliver anything in 2022.
They have two next gen only first party exclusives this year already and a showcase next month.
Let's see the showcase.
H4ze
Member
Maybe at your place buddy, where I'm from a lot of outlets talk about it, especially since the Redfall fuckup. And that's fine, MS did fail here, no doubt.
But I don't give a shit anymore, I don't wanna be part of the witch hunt, I will keep on playing whatever I want on all the platforms.
XXL
Member
Buying something and operating something properly are 2 different things.
I'm opposed to ABK for one reason, they can't manage what they have currently and would more likely fuck it up than create a monopoly.
akaFullmetal
Member
So, wait till e3....
We're tired of hearing that type of thing. Don't need promises of a great future, just need some tangible results finally. Let's hope starfield isn't coming in hot like the rumor of red fall.
REDRZA MWS
Member
You will never understand fanboy mentality, dont even try.
akaFullmetal
Member
Enjoy your games!
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Punished Miku
Gold Member
PeteBull
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phils or greenbergs secret gaf account =p
H4ze
Member
You too mate!
BbMajor7th
Member
Phil Spencer and Aaron Greenberg are not XBOX, they're just the current people at the top. Most of the venom directed at senior management is due to how they've steered the business, made empty promises, or set the brand up for failure. Hammering on executives that continually talk big but deliver little isn't about wanting XBOX to fail - by contrast, people who fangirl and damage control for failures and mismanagement are abetting the brand's failure. They're so attached to the losers in charge, they'd rather the whole brand fail than heads roll.
And let's blow this one out of the water: Hi-Fi Rush is a great game that could have massively benefitted from proper marketing support; Redfall is a troubled, unfinished game that could have massively benefitted from technical support. XBOX's job isn't to take credit or criticism for what their studios create, it's to give them the resources they need to succeed on their own terms. THIS is where they fall down. It's not MS fault that Redfall was a mess, but there's plenty they could have done to prevent that. It's not to MS's credit that Hi-Fi Rush is great, but they could have done way more to market it.
They are constantly turning up in the media to say things that make them look like idiots a few weeks down the line: "We're confident about our merger, we've learnt so much"; "20XX is going to be our best year for games yet"; "We've delayed Redfall to make sure it's the absolute best shape possible". That's why people laugh at them, that's why people shit on them - they're the reason the XBOX brand has stumbled from one issue to the next over recent years while the competition hoovers up market share. Wanting that to change isn't about chasing failure, wanting it to stay that way absolutely is.
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Kokoloko85
Member
Because I dont like MS. I dont like how they do business. And they will try to swollow up the industry 1publisher &IP at a time
CuNi
Member
While obviously there are people that just want Xbox to crash and burn so they feel superior about their choice or fanship with Sony, many others actually rightfully critique Xbox for its many issues and decisions.
Those people unfortunately are thrown into the same camp as the haters, for whatever reason.
One can like or see the potential in something and still criticue it without hating on it. Hell, if you go back in my post history, you can see I'll critique the out of what 343i did to Halo, not because i hate it, but because of what it has become since they took over.
Or take No Man's sky for example. People shat on that game so hard, but some also gave constructive criticism and thankfully the devs took those to heart and look where the game is now.
People want Xbox to do better, not to be gone.
Those people unfortunately are thrown into the same camp as the haters, for whatever reason.
One can like or see the potential in something and still criticue it without hating on it. Hell, if you go back in my post history, you can see I'll critique the out of what 343i did to Halo, not because i hate it, but because of what it has become since they took over.
Or take No Man's sky for example. People shat on that game so hard, but some also gave constructive criticism and thankfully the devs took those to heart and look where the game is now.
People want Xbox to do better, not to be gone.
nowhat
Member
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
There are groups of people who want the other team to fail and would be the same groups that would cry when their favorite plastic box has no competition to keep their pricing in check
Most of those people who really do want the other side to fail can't help and reveal themselves in posts and usually get banned but some are smart enough to walk that fine line and say "just joking"
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
We know the people that are over the moon right now, and its fair. Its like laughing at the opposing football team when they fuck up and MS has fucked up badly this last 12 months.
The only thing that sucks is that I think these people would love nothing more than for MS to bow out of the race, but they dont understand how bad that would be for the industry and us.
Sony, with free reign to do what they want would be terrible, just like MS would be.
But yeah, theres a few people that would love Xbox to crumble and are too stupid to realize how bad this would be for themselves.
The only thing that sucks is that I think these people would love nothing more than for MS to bow out of the race, but they dont understand how bad that would be for the industry and us.
Sony, with free reign to do what they want would be terrible, just like MS would be.
But yeah, theres a few people that would love Xbox to crumble and are too stupid to realize how bad this would be for themselves.
KXVXII9X
Member
I only have a PC and a Switch, and I want Xbox to simply do better and be more honest and upfront and stop with the empty promises. What would I possibly gain from them failing? I have used PC GamePass and just cancelled yesterday. I gave them many chances. I'm a fan of quality games, not consoles. I go to whoever is providing me that. It dawned on me that if Xbox were ever to go under, how would the industry shift? What kind of competition would that leave for Sony? Would it just be Sony and Nintendo? I like having options and strong competition. I want to see each console strive for its best. I understand that failures can happen. What I don't understand is making the same mistake over and over and trying to manipulate your audience with a "good guy" persona. I wouldn't mind if some of the current leadership was replaced as much as I hate people losing their jobs.
Forsythia
Member
Let's be real, there are certainly many here who want MS to die in a fire and for Sony to have a monopoly. Don't deny it.
But there are also a lot of people here who simply want MS to do better. And rightfully so. And no one should stay quiet on the issues Xbox has. imho, they're doing fantastic on every front, except on the part which matters most: quality games.
Just ignore the trolls OP, you're better off that way.
But there are also a lot of people here who simply want MS to do better. And rightfully so. And no one should stay quiet on the issues Xbox has. imho, they're doing fantastic on every front, except on the part which matters most: quality games.
Just ignore the trolls OP, you're better off that way.
Markio128
Member
I don’t necessarily agree with this. If MS bowed out, then it could open the way for someone else to give it a go. MS trying to buy massive publishers is the anti-competitive shit we need to see less of. That’s what will eventually kill the industry.
ByWatterson
Member
We just want them to do better.
Some of us have gone back and forth on whether Game Pass is a good thing - and seeing the game quality go down as Game Pass becomes a bigger and bigger part of Xbox's focus confirms a lot of our fears. So, perhaps I want Game Pass to decline in importance so that big, blockbuster titles are necessary again. But I definitely don't want Xbox to fail.
Some of us have gone back and forth on whether Game Pass is a good thing - and seeing the game quality go down as Game Pass becomes a bigger and bigger part of Xbox's focus confirms a lot of our fears. So, perhaps I want Game Pass to decline in importance so that big, blockbuster titles are necessary again. But I definitely don't want Xbox to fail.
Umbasaborne
Banned
But i also think there is a line between hearing the rightful criticism that has been launched at xbox recently, and trying to dismiss it as “concern trolling”’or “doom posting”. They sre so insecure on the xbox thread at era that any negative xbox news or valid criticisms are treated as “doom posting”.
Im hard on microsoft because i was an xbox fan for a long time, i defended them hardcore on this site during the xbox one era, early in that generation when mods were literally banning people for being positive about xbox. But after years of empty promises, and unfinished games,
Im just done, i dont have it in me to defend them anymore.
I will give them credit for the strives they’ve made for preservation with their excllent backward compatibility, and for their great hardware and controllers, but thats about all i can give them credit for. Hifi rush was great, but its a b game that does not make up for the lack of any major games last year, and the piss poor state or redfall, their first triple a release in over a year.
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