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Will Nintendo Switch reach the sales of the Sony PS2?

Will the Nintendo Switch reach the sales of the Sony PS2?

  • Yes

    Votes: 127 58.0%
  • No

    Votes: 92 42.0%

  • Total voters
    219

Lupin3

Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Don't think so. If Sony can get the PS5 supply under control, it's going to eat into the Switch sales for sure. But who knows.
 

StormCell

Member


It is a Hybrid Handheld from my perspective. I still wouldn't call it an exclusive console. It's meant for mobility the way it is designed down to the controllers, the thing has a screen on it.
Does the Steam Deck come with a dock packed in, or do you have to purchase it separately? Does it come with a fully functioning controller for TV play? That's the thing about that product is that I would imagine nearly everyone buying it is playing it as a handheld only. It's not packaged for hybrid use and not marketed as such.

That's no where near the case with Switch. While I don't have statistics for 2022, Nintendo revealed back in 2017 that only 30% of Switch owners play Switch as a handheld exclusively. While most alarmist headlines ran with the storyline of "More Switch owners prefer to play Switch as a handheld" this was not an accurate take. About 20% prefer to play docked only, and another 50% use it as intended. This idea that the Switch is more than a handheld is also supported in the sales numbers between the dock-able model and handheld-only Switch Lite. Since its introduction, Switch Lite has never sold anywhere close to the numbers of the basic Switch, and it's cheaper. If people really wanted the Switch to play as a handheld, it would show via Switch Lite sales.

I get that you want to differentiate the Switch into a category with the Steam Deck, but Nintendo Switch is Nintendo's home console. It's a complete unification of their handheld line with their home console line. From a 20,000 ft view, it's barely any different than Playstation letting its handheld product line expire while they push remote-play and cloud gaming options that utilize the Playstation controller paired with a smart phone for a screen, or playing remotely on a smart TV. Both platforms have simply taken different paths to melding these two styles of play together at a time when mobile has really captured the on-the-go play.

Yes, Switch is a traditional gaming platform.
 

DGrayson

Mod Team and Bat Team
Staff Member
I havent bought one yet. Was planning on waiting until BOTW2 but my son will probably get it for Christmas this year. So thats at least 1 more sale!
 

EverydayBeast

thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Nintendo made switch more expensive (controller costs, accessories etc.) and only ONE high profile Zelda games, while others had two.
 

OuterLimits

Member
Not sure if it will but it will be close. Regardless, it's super impressive especially considering the price of a PS2 was dirt cheap the final couple years in stores.
 
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The Wii comparisons are a little odd.

The Switch is a consolidation due to them abandoning consoles withthe Wii U, and it has no competition in the handheld space, not even a little bit, until recently with the Steam Deck which they can barely manufacture units for. I predict an LTD of no more than 3-4 million for it but it's out really late into the Switches lifespan to really do much of anything to Switch sales.

They also had obtained some "core gamer" buyers early on with false promises and good ports just like the Wii U, but unlike the Wii U had better retention.

The Switch didn't expand Nintendo's audience unlike the Wii, where most of the customers who brought it all went missing. There's a theory that mobile is where they went and sure, some of them did, but the majority just stopped playing games. For many it wasn't even about games even though the balance board was itself was a controller for games some users never saw it anything more as an alternate way to exercise in a fun way. Then you had all the Wii sports users who did not go and buy Wii Sports resort. The mobile industry got bigger because of phone adoption but there's not much overlap between Wii gamers or even Kinect gamers and mobile. If anything someone should hire a detective because the Kinect audience is harder to find than the Wii audience no one knows where they went but it was out of games.

The Switch may have gotten a bit of that audience but the Wii userbase for the most part is not on the Switch. It's a completely different issue altogether. The witches advantages that the 3DS did not have are easy linked to most of its sales.

Why keep the OG? On TV blurry/bad IQ play?

In most cases the OLED Switch isn't really the "best" option available. It has it's own drawbacks and the price difference doesn't seem justified in most casuals view which is why the standard Switch (or at least the Ver 2.0 that many people don't know Nintendo put out) keeps outselling all other models. Maybe if the Switch's price was discounted to $250 and the OLED was $300 OLED adoption may see a slight uptick but even then that premium is still there and most consumers don't think there's enough improvement to justify it.
 

Astral Dog

Member
With a price drop and eventual cross gen games, its possible.

Even if it doesn't it had a good run still, what matters most is if they can launch a succesor without trouble
 

Bragr

Member
A ‘tiny chance’?

Even if a Switch 2 comes out, games will likely be fully BC. Mario Kart 9, Odyssey 2, BoTW 2, the next four to five years of Pokémon are all going to be available on Switch.

I think it will still be chugging along in 2026.

Funnily enough, what I *do* think will be slower in sales is the Switch 2, for the same reasons.
Well, the x factor here is that once the supply of PS5 and Series X starts to arrive, the Switch sales will likely take a serious hit.

I also don't think the Switch 2 is gonna be near the current Switch, because the current Switch is the first hybrid, it makes people excited and makes them want to try it, the second one will not be able to play on that.

But, a new Mario Kart and a new Animal Crossing alone will be enough to push some very serious numbers. They could probably sell like 30 million Switch 2 with those 2 games alone.
 
The Switch has already started it's decline. Once that happens, Nintendo consoles usually drop pretty quickly. I don't think Switch will drop as fast as say the Wii, but it's still going to make it tough to sell 47M-48M more consoles. I also doubt Nintendo is going to drop the price outside of a few random deals and for the holidays.
 

blacktout

Member
Don't think so. If Sony can get the PS5 supply under control, it's going to eat into the Switch sales for sure. But who knows.

Well, the x factor here is that once the supply of PS5 and Series X starts to arrive, the Switch sales will likely take a serious hit.

Why do you think this? The Switch has been competing with more powerful consoles for its entire lifespan and that hasn't had any impact on its sales. Plus, I have to imagine that the vast majority of prospective PS5/XS buyers who have any desire to own a Switch already do, given how long it has been on the market. I guess there are probably some parents who bought their kids a Switch last Christmas because they couldn't find a PS5 or XSX, so maybe the Switch's holiday sales take a hit this year (assuming greater PS5/XSX stock, which isn't guaranteed), but I just don't see that as having a massive sales impact.

The two big potential obstacles for the Switch are its successor and market saturation and we have very little information about either right now.
 

ThaGuy

Member
People don't remember how bad the disc read error situation was for the PS2 to the point I would say everyone I knew owned more than one at some point in time. Software sales never matched how many playstations were out there so I don't even think Nintendo cares about hitting the most consoles sold.
 

Lupin3

Targeting terrorists with a D-Pad
Why do you think this? The Switch has been competing with more powerful consoles for its entire lifespan and that hasn't had any impact on its sales. Plus, I have to imagine that the vast majority of prospective PS5/XS buyers who have any desire to own a Switch already do, given how long it has been on the market. I guess there are probably some parents who bought their kids a Switch last Christmas because they couldn't find a PS5 or XSX, so maybe the Switch's holiday sales take a hit this year (assuming greater PS5/XSX stock, which isn't guaranteed), but I just don't see that as having a massive sales impact.

The two big potential obstacles for the Switch are its successor and market saturation and we have very little information about either right now.

Personally, because the PS5 is still incredibly hard to come by (have yet to see one in brick and mortar, ever). When it really hits the shelves people will surely pick it up in much higher rates than now. I don't doubt that Switch will continue to sell, just not as well if more consumers will have the chance to choose. But hey, this is just me guessing. I really have no idea what will happen.
 

Marvel14

Member


It is a Hybrid Handheld from my perspective. I still wouldn't call it an exclusive console. It's meant for mobility the way it is designed down to the controllers, the thing has a screen on it.
This is the videogame equivalent of Flat Earth Theory...all the evidence is there but damn the evidence! My feelings, my logic and my perspective are all that matters.
 

Marvel14

Member
Lol, so defensive about your box. Relax dude. Stop foaming at the mouth for a second and think about different perspectives. We can agree to disagree.
Not about the shape of the earth and not about a machine designed to play video games on your TV.
 
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Bragr

Member
Why do you think this? The Switch has been competing with more powerful consoles for its entire lifespan and that hasn't had any impact on its sales. Plus, I have to imagine that the vast majority of prospective PS5/XS buyers who have any desire to own a Switch already do, given how long it has been on the market. I guess there are probably some parents who bought their kids a Switch last Christmas because they couldn't find a PS5 or XSX, so maybe the Switch's holiday sales take a hit this year (assuming greater PS5/XSX stock, which isn't guaranteed), but I just don't see that as having a massive sales impact.

The two big potential obstacles for the Switch are its successor and market saturation and we have very little information about either right now.
Because the demand for the PS5 is so huge, once it gets satiated the console market will change. Market forces will change. What people look at when it comes to games will change. I don't think the Switch will lose massive sales, but enough to make over 155 million sold hard, especially with the saturation.

Where I am from, the PS5 is a non-factor it's so rare, casual gamers just get the Switch or the Xbox Series S.
 

StormCell

Member
The Switch has already started it's decline. Once that happens, Nintendo consoles usually drop pretty quickly. I don't think Switch will drop as fast as say the Wii, but it's still going to make it tough to sell 47M-48M more consoles. I also doubt Nintendo is going to drop the price outside of a few random deals and for the holidays.
I mostly agree with this perspective. We usually reach a point where Nintendo's support for a platform begins to dry up in advance of their next wave of "launch support" games. Although I feel like Nintendo kind of jumped the shark with the strong COVID year sales and the new Animal Crossing exploding in popularity and really really reaching mass appeal (a true COVID phenomenon), this has enabled Nintendo to adjust their schedule back some and keep the fire hose going a bit longer.

Fact is, there will eventually be a saturation point. We saw it with PS2 eventually, but that came long after price drops and the realization that it had become the defacto value DVD player in western living rooms.

I feel that Switch has no real "multi purpose" to keep it going strong even with eventual price drops. It will simply have to continue to sell off the strength of its library, which it is plenty capable of doing if given enough price drops. I would really like to see a $100 Switch at some point just to watch that damn thing sell gangbusters.
 

Ogbert

Member
Well, the x factor here is that once the supply of PS5 and Series X starts to arrive, the Switch sales will likely take a serious hit.
I just don’t see it making a difference.

I think Nintendo’s cosmic success is down to the fact that they’re not really in competition with anyone. People buy a PS *or* an Xbox. But they will buy a Switch to compliment it. Mainly to get hold of Mario and Zelda.

Likewise a PC. Doesn’t matter if you’re rocking a 3080ti, you’re still going to pick up a Switch.

They’ve created their own market and people leave them to it.
 

Bragr

Member
I just don’t see it making a difference.

I think Nintendo’s cosmic success is down to the fact that they’re not really in competition with anyone. People buy a PS *or* an Xbox. But they will buy a Switch to compliment it. Mainly to get hold of Mario and Zelda.

Likewise a PC. Doesn’t matter if you’re rocking a 3080ti, you’re still going to pick up a Switch.

They’ve created their own market and people leave them to it.
A person bases their purchase decisions on what they see around them, with more PS5, more people gonna see it at their friend's house etc... and what people want in gaming changes.

Yes, the Switch will still do fine because it does have a unique market, but if people see and play the PS5, they rather save up and get that than the Switch. We are just in a bizarre landscape where the current-gen consoles have not yet taken over, but like it was with the 360 back when, when people experience HD gaming, their perceptions changed. Once people get to see and play with the SSD and 4K gaming, the Switch is gonna seem less appealing.

I think, around late 2023-ish, that will have an impact in some way on the Switch to where reaching PS2 levels will be hard. We will see.
 
This is the videogame equivalent of Flat Earth Theory...all the evidence is there but damn the evidence! My feelings, my logic and my perspective are all that matters.
Even Nintendo said more people use the Switch exclusively as a handheld than docked in one of their reports. The biggest sellers are mostly games you'd see iterations of on the 3DS, and the casuals aren't really thinki of the Switch as competition for Xbox or PS5, they are still treating it like it's in a different market like the DS and 3DS.

As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.
 

blacktout

Member
Even Nintendo said more people use the Switch exclusively as a handheld than docked in one of their reports.

I assume this is the slide you're talking about:



It only really supports your argument if you ignore the fact that the clear majority of Switch owners use it as *both* a handheld and a console. You know, because it's a hybrid system and that's exactly how it's designed to be used.

The biggest sellers are mostly games you'd see iterations of on the 3DS,

Huh? Are you just talking about Pokemon here? Because all of the other top-selling games are either from series with a long history of appearing on both handhelds and consoles (Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, NSMB, Luigi's Mansion) or from series that have mostly been exclusive to consoles (3D Zelda, 3D Mario*, Splatoon). Of course, this makes perfect sense, since the Switch is both a handheld and a console and Nintendo's development studios and consumers are treating it as such.

As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.

I have no idea what statement you're referring to, but Nintendo stopped releasing software for the Wii U almost immediately after the Switch launched and continued to support the 3DS for another two years. It's clear which device the Switch was replacing *first*, though, of course, it would eventually replace both, since, once again, it's a hybrid system and not *just* a handheld or console.

* - Yes, I remember Super Mario 3D Land, but every other 3D Mario pre-Switch was console only.
 
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I assume this is the slide you're talking about:



It only really supports your argument

Actually it fully supports that part of my post by default. I only said what the Slide actually said itself as shown.

Huh? Are you just talking about Pokemon here? Because all of the other top-selling games are either from series with a long history of appearing on both handhelds and consoles (Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, NSMB, Luigi's Mansion) or from series that have mostly been exclusive to consoles (3D Zelda, 3D Mario*, Splatoon). Of course, this makes perfect sense, since the Switch is both a handheld and a console and Nintendo's development studios and consumers are treating it as such.

You seem to be conveniently omitting games.

I have no idea what statement you're referring to, but Nintendo stopped releasing software for the Wii U almost immediately

I didn't say anything about software.

and not *just* a handheld or console.

Now you're being misleading about what the argument was, no one said it was just a handheld, but that is is a handheld system that can be played on a TV like a console. Just a handheld is the Switch Lite.

Nobody called the PSPGO a console because it can be hooked up to a TV, and I think there are other portables that could do that too.
 

blacktout

Member
Actually it fully supports that part of my post by default. I only said what the Slide actually said itself as shown.

Only if, as I said upfront, you're playing rhetorical games instead of acknowledging the reality of how the vast majority of consumers use the device.

You seem to be conveniently omitting games.

Please list them, because I think the only two games from the top 15 not in one of the series listed are Monster Hunter (3rd party) and RingFit Adventure (new IP).

I didn't say anything about software.

OK, then please supply the quote you mentioned, because it's not at all reflective of how Nintendo behaved once the Switch launched.

Now you're being misleading about what the argument was, no one said it was just a handheld, but that is is a handheld system that can be played on a TV like a console. Just a handheld is the Switch Lite.

Nobody called the PSPGO a console because it can be hooked up to a TV, and I think there are other portables that could do that too.

The Switch is explicitly sold, marketed, and *used* as both a handheld and a console. Its software library reflects this. Its design reflects this. Everything reflects this.
 
Only if, as I said upfront, you're playing rhetorical games
You posted the chart, everything else is a delusion you are creating in your head trying to associate what I said with something else.

OK, then please supply the quote you mentioned, because it's not at all reflective of how Nintendo behaved once the Switch launched.
The Wii U console isn't software it's hardware, somehow you aren't getting this.

The Switch is explicitly sold, marketed, and *used* as both a handheld and a console. Its software library reflects this. Its design reflects this. Everything reflects this.
This is saying nothing, it's not an argument.

Switch is a Handheld that can hook up to a TV, it's success is based on the Nintendo's handheld dominance primarily along with no competition in that space. You tried to change what was argued by saying it's not "just" a handheld which no one was arguing, as the Switch Lite is just a handheld. now you are moving backwards and making generic statements. No one said that it wasn't advertised as a console and (primarily) as a handheld.
 

blacktout

Member
The Wii U console isn't software it's hardware, somehow you aren't getting this.

You explicitly mentioned a statement by Nintendo that the Switch was replacing the 3DS and not the Wii U. I'd like you to produce that statement.

It's abundantly clear that you're arguing in bad faith, aggressively misinterpreting what I'm saying, and probably just flat out making shit up, so I'm not going to engage further. I'll leave it up to whoever reads these exchanges to decide who they think is bullshitting here.
 
You explicitly mentioned a statement by Nintendo that the Switch was replacing the 3DS and not the Wii U. I'd like you to produce that statement.

It's abundantly clear that you're arguing in bad faith,
It's abundantly clear you have poor reading comprehension.

Your own quotes has the word "replace" what do you think they were replacing the 3D with? Switch software and not the console itself?

Man you're dense. It was about hardware from the start but for some reason you went multiple posts imagining that Nintendo was going to replace their old console with software from a console not released yet? Did you even bother paying attention to what you read?

Here's the quote it's pretty freaking clear
As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.

Don't see how you got "software" out of this. You may need to get some reading lessons from elemnetary.

However I will say I was slightly mistaken, the original quote was that the witch would not replace EITHER Wii U or 3DS,a nd it would be some third thing. But of course they ended up completely replacing the Wii U, and Nintendo changed t later to only "not replacing" 3DS.

But anyway you're whole rant was bullshit, all you had to do as read what you were quoting wow. Nothing is made up either, you're just ignorant.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/51874/nintendo-nx-replace-wii-3ds-ceo/index.html
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/242777-nintendo-says-switch-wont-replace-3ds
 
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Kataploom

Member
You posted the chart, everything else is a delusion you are creating in your head trying to associate what I said with something else.


The Wii U console isn't software it's hardware, somehow you aren't getting this.


This is saying nothing, it's not an argument.

Switch is a Handheld that can hook up to a TV, it's success is based on the Nintendo's handheld dominance primarily along with no competition in that space. You tried to change what was argued by saying it's not "just" a handheld which no one was arguing, as the Switch Lite is just a handheld. now you are moving backwards and making generic statements. No one said that it wasn't advertised as a console and (primarily) as a handheld.
Damn, this weird argument you can only have in English lol, it's a gaming device, as is PS2
 

Lasha

Member
Funny that the battery life came up. I was hearing on the news on my way to work yesterday that the battery of the switch is to be dead within the next 3 years? It was one of those random tech segments on the show, so I found that interesting.
Anything with a rechargeable battery suffers from a limited lifespan. At least the switch's battery can be changed.
 
It sure looks like it could happen but there's many factors. look at how fast the PS4 dropped off. The same could happen to switch and it falls just short of PS2 sales. Imagine it ends at like 154m.
 

Marvel14

Member
Even Nintendo said more people use the Switch exclusively as a handheld than docked in one of their reports. The biggest sellers are mostly games you'd see iterations of on the 3DS, and the casuals aren't really thinki of the Switch as competition for Xbox or PS5, they are still treating it like it's in a different market like the DS and 3DS.

As much as fans want to argue it's a console the market doesn't really agree and Nintendo itself wasn't consistent on this at launch. They clearly said the Switch was not replacing the Wii U at first and it was replacing the 3DS.
Ok flat earther. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Jennifer Lawrence Reaction GIF
 

Marvel14

Member
You explicitly mentioned a statement by Nintendo that the Switch was replacing the 3DS and not the Wii U. I'd like you to produce that statement.

It's abundantly clear that you're arguing in bad faith, aggressively misinterpreting what I'm saying, and probably just flat out making shit up, so I'm not going to engage further. I'll leave it up to whoever reads these exchanges to decide who they think is bullshitting here.
Dude...Good luck arguing with ideologues. Arguing in bad faith and making data fit their narrative is their raison d'etre.
 
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Marvel14

Member
It's abundantly clear you have poor reading comprehension.

Your own quotes has the word "replace" what do you think they were replacing the 3D with? Switch software and not the console itself?

Man you're dense. It was about hardware from the start but for some reason you went multiple posts imagining that Nintendo was going to replace their old console with software from a console not released yet? Did you even bother paying attention to what you read?

Here's the quote it's pretty freaking clear


Don't see how you got "software" out of this. You may need to get some reading lessons from elemnetary.

However I will say I was slightly mistaken, the original quote was that the witch would not replace EITHER Wii U or 3DS,a nd it would be some third thing. But of course they ended up completely replacing the Wii U, and Nintendo changed t later to only "not replacing" 3DS.

But anyway you're whole rant was bullshit, all you had to do as read what you were quoting wow. Nothing is made up either, you're just ignorant.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/51874/nintendo-nx-replace-wii-3ds-ceo/index.html
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/242777-nintendo-says-switch-wont-replace-3ds
Explain why a console is not defined as " a machine that plays videogames on your TV."
And then explain what the right definition for a console is.
 

Neff

Member
Switch can be used as a console, or as a handheld. It's fully designed to enable both modes of play out of the box.

Bonus round- PS2 can be used as a console, or as a DVD player. Back in the day a lot of people simply used it as a DVD player because it was one of the cheaper models available on the market.
 
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E Eddie-Griffin Fahdis Fahdis As much as I like Switch which is my preferred platform due to portability, I personally just tired of marketing gimmicks. I remember back in February in one of random thread we have like this three camp of people debating, one camp think its a home console, another one think its a hybrid, and the third one think its a handheld IFireflyl IFireflyl , and it was pointless, this kind of debate always ends in agree to disagree, everyone are entitled to their own opinion.

For me personally I think its "a handheld that come with a packed in HDMI/USB hub, with an innovative but terrible built quality and uncomfortable controller". Maybe a lot people do consider it a hybrid or home console, you don't have to give me the statistics I totally believe they would, this just shows people buys into marketing gimmicks, it has nothing to do with proving what the device actually is. Its just like Sega claim Genesis had blast processing but in reality it just had a slightly faster CPU, but people buy into that in the 90s and it took decades to debunk that crap. You see marketing is like a jackpot, sometimes you hit it, some time it went terrible, like when PS3 is announced they just have to market it as a "its not a game console, it's the center of home entertainment that have super computer capability" and we all see how stupid that was, but sometimes marketing did worked like in the case for Genesis and Switch. Nintendo at least from Wii era they decided they can not compete with Microsoft or Sony in terms of raw power, so they tried all different type of weird stuff and marketing with mixed results, and Switch is one of their most successful experiment.

What I'm saying is I'm personally not a fan of marketing gimmicks, I like to see the plastic box as how exactly it is so "a handheld that come with a packed in HDMI/USB hub, with an innovative but terrible built quality and uncomfortable controller" is fine for me (Why? Because the device had the power and performance of of a handheld, I think most sane people will not set their expectation for it to have identical graphic and performance of a XBOX or Playstation, adding a Hub doesn't change that fact, its just like I wouldn't expect a Laptop of having the same performance as a Desktop even if the said Laptop brand marketed as a hybrid PC with a packed in Hub and M/K, It just sound silly). Just like for me back then "PS2 was a game console that was disguised as DVD player to trick parent to buy the damn thing". In terms of honesty, I have to give props to Steam deck, it marketed as a handheld PC instead of "Super Hybrid all in one device capable of every type of workflow" and trust me valve adding a dock for the damn thing is cheaper than you think.

I might trigger a lot of warriors, but that's just my opinion, agree to disagree. I personally don't have brand loyalty to any plastic box

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And as for the topic, there are many possibilities, it already surpassed PS4 in a lesser amount of time, Switch sold 100 million in 5 year which PS4 had around 86 million in 5 year, if Nintendo decided they are confident with the Switch and giving it another 5 years lifespan, it could definitely surpass PS2, but I think when we were to compare sales here, lets not forget the amount of time is also a important statistic, like how long for it to reach a certain number should also factored in. Just like in my prior example, I would say Switch already surpassed PS4 in terms of sales despite the total sales number is still around 10 million behind (117 million for PS4), but PS4 had like 5 years to reach 86 million while Switch did more than 100 million in 5 year. PS3 was officially launched in the end of 2006 which is 6 years after PS2 launched where they shifted focus to newer generation, giving a 6 year of focus, although I used to be a GameCube guy, but that number is pretty incredible if you ask me. It just felt weird to me let say if Nintendo continue to focus on Switch for 10+ year gap to their next gen device, to compare its sale number to something with a 6 years gap generation, but that's just me.
 
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Cutty Flam

Member
If Mario Party Superstars receives DLC in the way of boards, then yes, easily

Even if it doesn’t receive DLC for some odd reason, my answer is still yes, easily

The library is spectacular. Oldschool games via NSO, great games from the Wii U ported to the Switch, ton of excellent RPGs and especially JRPGs, plenty of strong AAA games, eShop is great, plenty more strong games to come. BOTW’s sequel will take the gaming world by storm and impress again
 
Ok flat earther. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Man some butthurt clowns here that ignore the idnustry and the market, and Nintendos own data.

Explain why a console is not defined as " a machine that plays videogames on your TV."

That was never the definition, otherwise the early portables wouldn't have been called "portables that could hook up to a TV."

Don't forget computers not PC's or desktops used to hook up to TV's too and those weren't called consoles either, because they weren't. But buy your definition they would be, and same for modern PC's with the right cables.

Clearly didn't think this through.

Dude...Good luck arguing with ideologues. Arguing in bad faith and making data fit their narrative is their raison d'etre.
Funny how he liked this post even though I just proved him wrong with links, but he's a coward so he ran. Not even an ounce of self-respect.

What I'm saying is I'm personally not a fan of marketing gimmicks, I like to see the plastic box as how exactly it is so "a handheld that come with a packed in HDMI/USB hub, with an innovative but terrible built quality and uncomfortable controller" is fine for me (Why? Because the device had the power and performance of of a handheld, I think most sane people will not set their expectation for it to have identical graphic and performance of a XBOX or Playstation, adding a Hub doesn't change that fact, its just like I wouldn't expect a Laptop of having the same performance as a Desktop even if the said Laptop brand marketed as a hybrid PC with a packed in Hub and M/K, It just sound silly).

I might trigger a lot of warriors, but that's just my opinion, agree to disagree. I personally don't have brand loyalty to any plastic box

This is actually a reasonable argument, and different from the other guy trying to argue what he believes with no evidence than ran when the links came out. or the other guy who jumped in projecting calling me an ideologue when that's what he is.

NX was even presented as a handheld in the early stages before the true name was revealed, and it was a Pokemon staffer that first tried to shift the tone by saying it was both instead of a handheld that hooked up to a TV, and then suddenly Nintendo as a whole including Reggie started pushing the same talking point. It's clear they were seeing the comments about the Wii U and the expectations Nintendo was giving up on the home, and that is what happened no matter how you slice it, the Switch is doing better than the DS because it's powerful, has no competition in the handheld space, and doesn't have the burn out the 3DS has when it was revealed where people were thinking "DS again?"

All they did was just get back those who left for mobile after the DS days during the 3DS run, now they got those back, their console fans also use the device because there's no alternative, and they have nothing in the handheld space to compete with so it's just them and mobile. That's why the sales are so high, although it seems they are starting to fall behind the DS now. Maybe they need to release Nintendogs Switch or Brain Academy 3 or something to keep things going.

And as for the topic, there are many possibilities, it already surpassed PS4 in a lesser amount of time, Switch sold 100 million in 5 year which PS4 had around 86 million in 5 year, if Nintendo decided they are confident with the Switch and giving it another 5 years lifespan, it could definitely surpass PS2, but I think when we were to compare sales here, lets not forget the amount of time is also a important statistic, like how long for it to reach a certain number should also factored in. Just like in my prior example, I would say Switch already surpassed PS4 in terms of sales despite the total sales number is still around 10 million behind (117 million for PS4),

You're looking at it with a console comparisons which I think is a mistake, you should compare it to DS, PSP, and 3DS instead.

PS4 only got the energy to sell that last 20 million units because the Xbox One completely collapsed at some point and only started to climb back up in 2018 when the gen was pretty much over, the One S and One X sold back up to what was the old baseline for the original Xbox One before the sales bottomed out and then the current new consoles released. The Wii U of course collapse long before the Xbox One.

So there was a time where the PS4 was basically the only console really selling especially in most of 2016, and much of 2017, 2015 is when the sales were starting to bottom out for the Xbox One after being ahead of the 360 in a few countries. So you can't just make a one to one comparison with the Switch to the PS4 based on the same timeline because it doesn't take too many things into account.

Both handhelds, the DS and the 3DS both seemed like their declines would be slow once sales starting slowing down, but eventually the twig snapped and the drop and sales accelerated rapidly, that same thing could happen again for the Switch. They just released a 3rd sku, and there's little reason to suspect after such a long time they'll go back tot he 3DS "new" strategy when that was only done to save declining 3DS sales. They would also have too many similarly priced products in the market and may cause confusion.

It's likely the next Switch release will be the successor instead of another revision. If Switch sales continue to fall behind the DS, then I'd say the chances of it passing the PS2 will depend on if Nintendo decided to cut the price and if they do, how much that price drop attracts new buyers. Giving the sales figures of the Switch so far a price drop may not increase sales as much as people think.
 

Marvel14

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"a handheld that come with a packed in HDMI/USB hub, with an innovative but terrible built quality and uncomfortable controller"
So if 60% of people use it docked 90% of the time its still just a handheld right? It still can't be both home console and handheld even though that's its actual USP because that screen (rarely used) is still there forcing it to just be a handheld? ( I feel a schrodingers cat analogy coming)

And on your power point. If it didn't have that screen there's no way you could claim that it was just a handheld regardless of power.

Is Switch really more of a successor to 3ds than Wii U? Where did the 3d and the two portable screens go if so?

Don't forget computers not PC's or desktops used to hook up to TV's too and those weren't called consoles either, because they weren't. But buy your definition they would be, and same for modern PC's with the right cables.
Fair point. Revised definition to "a machine specialised to play videogames on your TV."

That takes care of pcs- many more functions and not specialised for games.

You still didn't define a console. Why doesn't this improved ( thanks for that) definition work? What should the definition be?
 
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Woopah

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NX was even presented as a handheld in the early stages before the true name was revealed, and it was a Pokemon staffer that first tried to shift the tone by saying it was both instead of a handheld that hooked up to a TV, and then suddenly Nintendo as a whole including Reggie started pushing the same talking point. It's clear they were seeing the comments about the Wii U and the expectations Nintendo was giving up on the home, and that is what happened no matter how you slice it, the Switch is doing better than the DS because it's powerful, has no competition in the handheld space, and doesn't have the burn out the 3DS has when it was revealed where people were thinking "DS again?"

All they did was just get back those who left for mobile after the DS days during the 3DS run, now they got those back, their console fans also use the device because there's no alternative, and they have nothing in the handheld space to compete with so it's just them and mobile. That's why the sales are so high, although it seems they are starting to fall behind the DS now. Maybe they need to release Nintendogs Switch or Brain Academy 3 or something to keep things going.
Do you have a link for the bolded? When the NX was announced it was called a "dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept". That's why official trackers tracked it alongside the PS4, Xbox One, 3DS and Vita. Because they are well dedicated video game platforms.

Also the Switch sales were below those of the DS, it was only recently that it started selling faster than it launch-aligned.
 

Dane

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Complicated, the PS2 post gen sales were roughly 30% of the total sales, the following consoles sales were only around 10%, not even that for the last one, price cutting became less intensive each generation.
 
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Azelover

Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I think it will, but it's very difficult.

A lot of different things could happen. So we'll see.
 
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