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Wkd B.O. 04•27-29•18 - Avengers screams over Quiet, takes all-time opening weekend crown w/ $250m opening
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sushisamurai30
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I'll wait until Monday actuals before celebrating. Still, IW is much more deserving of having the record than TFA
mckmas8808
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The good thing is in this case it was a great movie.
sushisamurai30
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Actuals are at $258mil.
PRAISE THANOS
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More people went to see a movie = / quality of a movie
IDK how you isolate Black Panther from Avatar, Star Wars, Titanic, etc, except that you're personally offended that it has a large aggregate score on RT.
IW is more or less a pure action-fest that doesn't make sense outside of the context of the previous films in the MCU. Black Panther is largely a disconnected film that stands apart from the MCU, and is unprecedented in its themes.
https://thebrag.com/avengers-infinity-war-more-same-marvel/
https://www.salon.com/2018/04/27/th...dled-mess-but-possibly-a-dangerous-precedent/
Now I do not necessarily agree with the titles of these articles, but their content and supporting details are on point.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I was pleasantly surprised with Infinity War, it deserves that success.
Vicetrailia
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The key to infinity war is dat ending, otherwise it doesn't hold a candle to Panther (Imo).
I saw it twice btw. The first watch is amazing, and the second reminds you that it is a typical marvel movie.
Great job though, definitely deserved.
I saw it twice btw. The first watch is amazing, and the second reminds you that it is a typical marvel movie.
Great job though, definitely deserved.
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mckmas8808
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You should realize that Rotten Tomatoes score has nothing and should have nothing to do with how much money a movie makes. The two are completely different things. Why are you lumping the two things together? And why are you choosing the Black Panther movie to compare it to?
Those supporting details are freaking terrible! I'm 100% against people not liking shared universes and movies telling a larger story. It's so dumb to criticize a movie because it's not a great "stand-alone" movie. It's like criticizing a LOST episode because it's not great if you watched it in isolation from any other LOST seasons/episodes. If the content is made to be viewed and understood in a larger context, then that's the way it should be viewed. Why diss something just because you have to invest 10+ hours to get the most out of it?
Just look at what Fox has going for some of their Superhero movies with darn near no crossover or overarching story/narrative. You have two great movies in Logan and Deadpool. But basically, everything else is average to bad. Wouldn't have been great if old man Logan existed in a great context than just that one movie?
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Phoenix RISING
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Logan writes all the ties to the previous X-Men films that would bog it down right out of the script. Without the baggage, it is free to do its own thing.
Deadpool's highlight for me were his interactions with Colossus. Outside of that, meh.
It's a good thing that you don't review books/films/video games. You are essentially saying that you have to play the ME1 and 2 to determine if 3 is good. Or play all of the Dark Souls games. Or Sonic. Or Mario. Or read all of Lord of the Rings. Or A Song of Ice and Fire (unfinished, so I guess we'll never know?) Or watch all of the James Bond movies. Or Matrix. Or Pirates of the Caribbean. Or Terminators, Aliens....
Sounds silly, right?
A work of art should stand on its own. Infinity War isn't special.
mckmas8808
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No it doesn't sound silly. Having a few movies out of many that depends on many other movies is fine. Think of the Marvel movie as episodes of a TV show. There are many tv shows that depend on the previous episodes to make it better.
Black Mirror has all stand alone episodes. And all those standalone episodes combined make a Season. That's one way to do it. Or you can have a show like Stranger Things. If someone were to watch the 5th episode of the 1st season of Stranger Things, they'd be lost. It doesn't mean the episode was bad. You gotta understand that Disney and Marvel are doing something different here compared to any other movie licensed material.
Phoenix RISING
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If you want me to think of the MCU as a TV show, my opinion of it is even worse.
Instead of having multiple seasons of Captain America, Iron Man, or Thor for example, that span for 780 minutes for a single season as a Jessica Jones or Cage show does, now there is only 540 minutes of character development.
Hulk, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Ant-Man, and Black Panther are all woefully undeveloped if I am to look at the MCU with the detail of a TV show.
mckmas8808
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Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Ant-Man, and Black Panther have been introduced way later than the other characters. So of course the detail is less, but for a movie it's enough to understand what's going on in Avengers 3. And the Hulk has been in more than enough movies to understand his motivations. What are you talking about?
And I'm not saying think of the Marvel movies as a one to one comparison to TV shows. But only "similar" to them. The overarching story and the way they are detailing the characters and their narratives is closer to a TV show than typical movies that we are used to getting. Most movies try to tell a whole story over 2-5 movies. Marvel and Disney are trying to tell a whole story over 20 movies. So why is it a big deal that you have to watch half of the 18 movies in order to get the most out of Avengers 3? Why is that such a bad thing? Who in their right mind out want to watch a movie called "Avengers 3" and not want to watch any other movie that came before it?
Phoenix RISING
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Most great movies like Inception, the Fighter, Hurt Locker, Get Out, Schindler's List, The Shawshank Redemption, Ghost, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and so on, get it right once.
Sequels are a money-generating enterprise.
When Disney/Marvel recognized that there was a demand for these kinds of movies, they became more ambitious. Guardians, Ant-Man, BP, multiple sequels for the core Avengers (minus Hulk, because that's owned by Universal)--multiple phases was not a part of the original plan.
At any rate, you're not going to convince me or the average movie critic that IW is a great movie.
mckmas8808
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Now I see where we truly disagree. I fundementally disagree with the notion that sequels are a "money-generating enterprise". They can be, but they also could be a way to further show the world or universe that the creators wanted. Or they can be both.
You seem to have a cynical view of sequels and why they exist. In this case, I totally understand why you don't love the nature that Avengers 3 exist and was made. Because it's a movie that purely relies on sequels to love it. It's basically impossible to love Avengers 3 if you don't understand the full story. And you only get the full story in the previous movies.
Do you feel the same way about sequels with TV shows? Like how LOST had like 6 seasons or how The Wire had 5 seasons?
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I'm a reader so I do not watch much television. I am vaguely aware of LOST, and how it drug on even after people escaped from the island. Yes, that, and Grey's Anatomy have been dragged. My wife tells me that Dr. Grey isn't even on that show anymore, lol!!!!
The Walking Dead is just as bad as an offender.
S5 of The Wire is undeniably the weakest, but that is because--as our current situation in the US demonstrates--the role of the Press simply is not all that compelling. Quality research is boring. Fabricating stories creates excitement. How McNulty faked a murder so that people would care about the case is a perfect indictment of "outrage culture," meanwhile, the good journalists that would have traced the steps to get the true story are underpaid, underfunded. But that's not as interesting as Hampsterdam.
I digress. The Wire is a unique circumstance where you are tracking two cultures between the police and the street, and then all the other capillary stories that spawn from that dichotomy. If the MCU isn't capable of that level of complexity because good and evil is presented as black and white. There are no Omars running the streets. Or Bubbles.
mckmas8808
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So glad that you are a fan of The Wire, so you can talk that language too. I'd say Marvel did create a guy like Omar. He's name is Kilmonger. Marvel has been known to have bad/weak bad guys, but Kilmonger and now Thanos is showing that they have learned from their past mistakes (making the movies 90% about the heros and only 10% about the bad guys) and are displaying their abilities to flesh out the bad guys now.
And also the fact that these characters have previous histories kind of puts some constraints on how they can be used. But I'd say that Loki to some smaller degree could be compared to Bubbles. You can see him playing both sides of the fence for his own reasons. But clearly nowhere near as complex as Bubbles. I think Bubbles maybe one of the most complex written characters ever on TV. The actor and the writers did an amazing job with that character.
mckmas8808
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Hopefully their parents will then. Dat ending is soul-shaking!
If anything affects its legs it would more likely be the 1-2 Punch of Deadpool 2 then Solo this month and then the 1-2 Punch of Incredibles 2 then JP World 2 in June.
Thats some heavy competition for its 2 months.
Phoenix RISING
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My money is on this too. After the simultaneous WW release, I think the numbers are heavily front-loaded. I think we will see a sharp decline by week 3.
Like, that's going to have to be a really long WW bar.
mckmas8808
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WOW! Ant-Man made almost $600 Million?!?!
Yep, it and Guardians were their big gambles and when they paid off I knew that they had this stuff down pat.
WaterAstro
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It's understandable because Infinity War relies on 18 movies in order to be fully appreciated, but it's also why it's so hyped.
Kadayi
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Indeed. I went and saw it again in the late afternoon. A really hot sunny day here so figured the cinema wouldn't be too busy as everyone would be out getting some rays, so so wrong, even an hour beforehand the theatre was almost entirely sold out (thankfully managed to get a decent seat though). The film hasn't even debuted in China yet and that's a big market for the Marvel films.