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Woke Hollywood gets burned by ‘Charlie’s Angels’ (and Terminator) box office bomb

ruvikx

Banned
Terminator Dark Fate was worse than I thought it would be, i.e. it's literally a propaganda movie. There are no themes, no morality tale, nothing which made the first 2 movies have more substance & meaning, no, its sole reason for existing was "kill John Connor & make midget Mexican girl new woke badass leader of resistance".

There was no point to any of it, no actual reason for any of it except that one primary plot objective. Who the fuck is "legion", why was there another judgement day? What the hell is even going on? (& why does Schwarzenegger now change diapers, literally?). None of it is given any context or purpose because the sole reason the movie was made was to "correct" the wrong race & gender of the future resistance leader with the woke 2019 politically correct one.

Oh & the special effects were also really bad, with the jumping physics of the bad Terminator particularly "Van Helsing 2004 esque".
 
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Lanrutcon

Member
Terminator Dark Fate was worse than I thought it would be, i.e. it's literally a propaganda movie. There are no themes, no morality tale, nothing which made the first 2 movies have more substance & meaning, no, its sole reason for existing was "kill John Connor & make midget Mexican girl new woke badass leader of resistance".

Man, that's how I felt about Borderlands 3. So many similarities.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
Terminator Dark Fate was worse than I thought it would be, i.e. it's literally a propaganda movie. There are no themes, no morality tale, nothing which made the first 2 movies have more substance & meaning, no, its sole reason for existing was "kill John Connor & make midget Mexican girl new woke badass leader of resistance".

There was no point to any of it, no actual reason for any of it except that one primary plot objective. Who the fuck is "legion", why was there another judgement day? What the hell is even going on? (& why does Schwarzenegger now change diapers, literally?). None of it is given any context or purpose because the sole reason the movie was made was to "correct" the wrong race & gender of the future resistance leader with the woke 2019 politically correct one.

Oh & the special effects were also really bad, with the jumping physics of the bad Terminator particularly "Van Helsing 2004 esque".
The first time I laughed at the CGI was at the very beginning of the movie with Terminators coming out of the water. It literally looked like some fan project, not an almost 200 million dollar flick.

But it's what they did to John what made me almost drop the movie. It's the kind of stuff you see when an actor dies or demands a 20 mil paycheck to return in the new film.
 
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Terminator was a sad miss for me

I really want another truly great terminator movie, but just don’t see that happening

there was plenty to like in the new movie (woke or not). especially the scary, unstoppable nature of the new bad terminator which surprised me. I thought the actor conveyed a real menace and threat, for the first time since t2

I also thought that the machine learning what it means to be human was an intersecting idea, thrown away far too quickly. In favour of gigantic special effects (that although cool and with some sweet set pieces, quickly becomes tiring)

It’s like the sum doesn’t equal the parts

Maybe, a quiet reboot further down the line, or stealth low budget reintroduction would be the way to go. As topping the last movie and trashing it, by changing the story to ignore it. Just doesn’t seem to be working (and With different spins on existing characters, there are no growing audience ties to the next film. After all, we have seen, or know the outcome to John, Sarah and the t-100s story. There is only so many ways they can tell it, even if time travel is a perfect excuse to bring back characters)

going to miss big Arnie in the role though ....
 
Strong women being portrayed as something new is an absolute myth.

The greatest action movie ever, Aliens has a central protagonist who is female. She is smart, capable and fierce.


But it's not a cash in, it is not done in a pandering manner .... it was organic and part of the story and the development of the character.

People talking about Captain Marvel as some big deal are assholes who can't look past the current timeframe to see that it has been done before and better and legitimately well.


These cheap and obvious bandwagon jumping movies and media products deserve to be found out.

Could you imagine if it came out today instead of a long time ago before the woke/anti-woke culture. It'd be a massive problem on this forum. You are some whiny ass people, labeling movies woke and rebelling.
 

Cravis

Member
They should have done a lower budgeted movie to test the waters and kept it canon with John Connor as the leader of the resistance.

Something like Assault on Precinct 13 but in the future war. That way a lot of the endo effects could still be physical since you wouldn’t see their entire bodies most of the time. It could have gone back to the sci-fi horror feel of the original.

Have them about to lose hope halfway through when someone decides to reprogram one of the infiltrator units and boom there’s Arnies part.

At the end they are rescued by Connor and it is revealed this infiltrator unit will be sent back in time to protect young John.
 
I do not understand how Joker is non-woke. It is actually the wokest because it tries to reveal the real problem of capitalism and the system right now. The joke at the end was that a murderer with mental illness became a hero for the masses, which reveals how twisted reality can be. The facade of inclusivity in order to sell more products and make more money is not enough. Capitalism really took the 60s counterculture and commercialized it. Now they are trying to shift the blame to the immigrants and Asians (Chinese).
 

Mahadev

Member
I just watched that disaster, I don't know what was more cringe Linda Hamilton's delivery of that terrible womb speech on that train or that short girl pretending to be the leader of the resistence in that scene in the future. Woketards create the dumbest, cringiest dialogue and scenes in Hollywood history non-stop nowadays, amazing. The movie seemed so pointless and out of focus and the CGI vomit made it look even worse, Tim Miller is a fucking hack.

Btw I don't know what happened to Linda Hamilton and her acting, was it Tim Miller's terrible direction or has she lost her talent? She retroactively ruined Sarah Connor for me, I regret watching this clusterfuck so fucking much.
 
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Nymphae

Banned
Because James Cameron liked this scene from Land of the Dead

I love that shitty movie, but man that has some bad ideas. That one is when the zombies started to learn. At one point, the Big Daddy zombie grabs an SMG off of a biker gang who was riding through killing hordes. The zombie just randomly figures out how the gun works, and brings it with him. Then later yeah they figure out that they can just walk across the river floor to get to the walled city. It's actually presented as them learning too, not just coincidence.
 

Mahadev

Member
I do not understand how Joker is non-woke. It is actually the wokest because it tries to reveal the real problem of capitalism and the system right now. The joke at the end was that a murderer with mental illness became a hero for the masses, which reveals how twisted reality can be. The facade of inclusivity in order to sell more products and make more money is not enough. Capitalism really took the 60s counterculture and commercialized it. Now they are trying to shift the blame to the immigrants and Asians (Chinese).


I don't think you understand what "woke" truly is or how woke liberalism functions. Wokeness isn't really a trait that fights capitalism, it's in fact a capitalist distraction used to divide the population, it's obsessive focus on identity politics in order to protect capitalism and the rich from an increasingly pissed off population. Joker isn't woke because it wasn't preaching in the most obnoxious way about what a racist and sexist you are which will make you furious and distracted from the bankers and corporations screwing you 24/7. It would make the blue checkmarks happy though, most of them happen to be affluent California and New York brats pretending to be oppressed while getting paid by daddy to live luxuriously, I don't know if that's relevant though, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
 
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Kev Kev

Gold Member
i feel like if they stopped trying so hard to be "woke" then they could have a chance at making really good movies with all female cast. and it doesnt even have to be all female, it can be mostly female, that might even work out better.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
I think considering the evidence, making a good terminator movie now is just not gonna happen ever
Give it about 5-10 years and they'll try again, just not with a 200 million dollar budget again. I agree with Cravis that it would be a good idea to make a lower budget movie which retcons Woke Fate, brings John back as the leader, maybe stops being another light action flick and brings more seriousness and action thriller themes like T1.
 

Makariel

Member
But its a chicken or egg thing. Were they bland and uninteresting because of the woke directors/writers/producers pushing their woke agenda over making an actual entertaining movie?
This whole yelling of "zomg zhem pushing woke agenda" panic is overblown IMO. In the end of the day I don't care what political leanings a person has that plays pretend for a living, as long as what comes out entertains and/or inspires me. A remake of a remake or the x-th sequel of a series that should have stopped at 2 does neither. Really doesn't matter at this stage what sort of political leanings the writers have. My wife and I had a look at the trailers for both movies and figured we rather stay at home and watch Netflix.
 

Stitch

Gold Member
Dark Fate was a pretty funny troll movie. They try to show us how awesome women are but later they can't figure out how to open a door and need to get saved by a man.
 
I don't think you understand what "woke" truly is or how woke liberalism functions. Wokeness isn't really a trait that fights capitalism, it's in fact a capitalist distraction used to divide the population, it's obsessive focus on identity politics in order to protect capitalism and the rich from an increasingly pissed off population. Joker isn't woke because it wasn't preaching in the most obnoxious way about what a racist and sexist you are which will make you furious and distracted from the bankers and corporations screwing you 24/7. It would make the blue checkmarks happy though, most of them happen to be affluent California and New York brats pretending to be oppressed while getting paid by daddy to live luxuriously, I don't know if that's relevant though, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

I understand your point. But to me this is just the evolution of the culture which has become toxic... but the original meaning and intent was good.
However, as the cultural evolution of the "rich" states in America grew... so did the woke culture's ego... and they neglected the more conservative side.
It is the hypocrisy of inclusivity. I think woke is still a good term, but you cannot let woke overrun your own bullshit. I can sense part of woke-culture has become a way to "get back" at white men, which I do not like as a Chinese Canadian myself. Then again I also notice the racism against the new Mainland Chinese immigrants due to the decades of anti-communist propaganda by the West. I really worry about this situation right now. I feel if they do not balance this. It could be a perfect storm for them to start a major war by conveniently blaming the evil communists again. It is a complicated world... as the rich Chinese got richer they also realize their power and they want to hold onto their wealth. This made some of them kind of anti-communist too.... which is a necessary view if they want to fit into the highly socially conditioned Western "inclusive" culture of multiculturalism (under the capitalist hegemony). Many of the young generation would love to because Western culture and lifestyle is still the mainstream culture of the world. I really do not want World War 3.
 
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Mahadev

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I understand your point. But to me this is just the evolution of the culture which has become toxic... but the original meaning and intent was good.
However, as the cultural evolution of the "rich" states in America grew... so did the woke culture's ego... and they neglected the more conservative side.
It is the hypocrisy of inclusivity. I think woke is still a good term, but you cannot let woke overrun your own bullshit. I can sense part of woke-culture has become a way to "get back" at white men, which I do not like as a Chinese Canadian myself. Then again I also notice the racism against the new Mainland Chinese immigrants due to the decades of anti-communist propaganda by the West. I really worry about this situation right now. I feel if they do not balance this. It could be a perfect storm for them to start a major war by conveniently blaming the evil communists again. It is a complicated world... as the rich Chinese got richer they also realize their power and they want to hold onto their wealth. This made some of them kind of anti-communist too.... which is a necessary view if they want to fit into the highly socially conditioned Western "inclusive" culture of multiculturalism (under the capitalist hegemony). Many of the young generation would love to because Western culture and lifestyle is still the mainstream culture of the world. I really do not want World War 3.


I don't remember a point in time when the term woke was good, it was popularized by social media troglodytes for virtue signalling reasons and the term itself is cringe as fuck. Also China is already under capitalist hegemony, they use the aesthetics of communism while the country is more capitalist than most European countries and more totalitarian than Middle Eastern dictatorships and it's quickly becoming a tech dystopia.
 
I don't remember a point in time when the term woke was good, it was popularized by social media troglodytes for virtue signalling reasons and the term itself is cringe as fuck. Also China is already under capitalist hegemony, they use the aesthetics of communism while the country is more capitalist than most European countries and more totalitarian than Middle Eastern dictatorships and it's quickly becoming a tech dystopia.

They are trying to balance... but hard when they need to develop and with America trying to shut them off (or perhaps pretending like they are to appease voters).
It is a double edged sword really, but it has already been set in motion so there is no going back. I just hope they can preserve some of that socialist mentality and equality in the heart of the public. It should happen since once a middle class develops.... they will start to demand spiritual and other higher quality needs, just as what happened in America before. It is already happening now with their investment into green energy and rejuvenation of their ancient culture. The irony is, the counterculture they worship now is partially their own culture of Daoism and Buddhism (which is the grandpa's culture to a lot of the rebellious youth). lol

I have not followed Internet culture seriously for years. It has gone off the rails and I do not like meme culture or troll culture at all. I feel it is a degeneration of the youth's critical thinking ability worldwide (Asia especially in my opinion... I really like the counterculture stuff that the West tries to keep... not just the "Supreme" image of counterculture now to supply the capitalist system). However, I think perhaps we are in the old man yells at cloud group now, or at least I am. :)

EDIT: In my opinion this division of opinion is not good in the long-run. The split of this forum into ResetEra is a sign of this. If we segregate and divide instead of trying to communicate then there will only be chaos. This is what they are trying to prevent in China, though they will label it as authoritarian and evil in certain Western media outlets whom I feel are associated with the oil dudes controlling the world. Not to mention the constant reminder of Biblical metaphors of 'awakening' and 'armageddon' in the pop culture that we all love to associate with the extreme right... but in the end, what will this kind narrative lead to?
We are still monkeys after all, and we will always be monkeys with dicks and pussies until the day our bodies are no longer necessary.
 
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From Theater to your living room in 75 days.

 
Could you imagine if it came out today instead of a long time ago before the woke/anti-woke culture. It'd be a massive problem on this forum. You are some whiny ass people, labeling movies woke and rebelling.
The original alien, at least, would be a problem for the woke crowd due to the nudity and flaws of the female character. There's a reason many of these new woke films portray females as perfect mary sues, and try to put men down as bumbling baffoons or worse.

Anti-woke didn't react negatively to wonder woman, afaik, so it's not like they automatically react negatively to any female led movie.
Really doesn't matter at this stage what sort of political leanings the writers have.

Yes it doesn't matter so long as they keep politics out of the content they create. When writers subtitute the actual plot for political preaching, it's bound to matter.
 
S

SLoWMoTIoN

Unconfirmed Member
Explain a lot. Specially Ghostbusters and Doctor Who.

I don't watch Doctor Who but some random video played on the season before it went "woke" and it seemed like the series had already been shit by then m8.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
That Terminator movie was among the worst movies I've seen in a long time.

Whomever thought making T-800 Arnie into a complacent family man with drapery business, a wife and kids should be lowered into molten lava like the real T-800.
 

Kreen101

Member
I love that shitty movie, but man that has some bad ideas. That one is when the zombies started to learn. At one point, the Big Daddy zombie grabs an SMG off of a biker gang who was riding through killing hordes. The zombie just randomly figures out how the gun works, and brings it with him. Then later yeah they figure out that they can just walk across the river floor to get to the walled city. It's actually presented as them learning too, not just coincidence.

George Romero was actually woke before it was the trendy thing to do. Land of the Dead expressed the idea that the "real monsters" are rich people and capitalists, while "zombies are people too".
 
Because it didn't attack the white males for their genital.

It is a sensitive subject because as the other genitals rise, so too do the historical consequences even though we all try to harmonize it with Taoism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. It should be that we are all consciousness... but it is hard to control the feelings based on history.
I would love for of us to alleviate global poverty, climate change, and inequality together until we can get out of our monkey bodies and into the next non-genital based non-binary body. LOL, humans are hilarious!

What should happen now is for the mature capitalist societies to peacefully transition into socialism as Asia (China) takes on the grunt work of creating wealth to feed the system. But the dick egos are strong on both sides...
 
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Kenpachii

Gold Member
Terminator movie was basically a chick flick movie.

Cast was decent however even tomboy did a solid job, script was a bit iffy but solid. Terminator was solid in what it presented a hybrid actor also did a well job. Arnold did a good job in the movie. Effects where solid not great tho. Pacins was also doable.

Nothing special, didn't hate it, didn't really love it. Nice sunday movie i guess.

Terminator Dark Fate was worse than I thought it would be, i.e. it's literally a propaganda movie. There are no themes, no morality tale, nothing which made the first 2 movies have more substance & meaning, no, its sole reason for existing was "kill John Connor & make midget Mexican girl new woke badass leader of resistance".

There was no point to any of it, no actual reason for any of it except that one primary plot objective. Who the fuck is "legion", why was there another judgement day? What the hell is even going on? (& why does Schwarzenegger now change diapers, literally?). None of it is given any context or purpose because the sole reason the movie was made was to "correct" the wrong race & gender of the future resistance leader with the woke 2019 politically correct one.

Oh & the special effects were also really bad, with the jumping physics of the bad Terminator particularly "Van Helsing 2004 esque".

The theme of the movie was that u can't prevent skynet. Skynet got formed a while later under another name legion as people wanted to push tech forwards and created yet again a skynet that destroys the human race. Which ended up much like skynet them sending again and again terminators through the portals to eliminate people they can't kill in the present or find. The mexican kid was just one of them to be terminated. The reason that chick went back was because she saved her in the future and she wanted to pay that favor back. They said there was no resistance, with lots of robots getting sended back in that one time line of current cast, explains them are swamping time area's with robots to eliminate more threats. She's just one of the many john connors really.

Story was solid. Arnold came back because he was just another robot that got send and created. Him shooting that kid down was the theme of the movie, u can't change prevent anything just delay.

Then the end of the movie, where that robot dies and it took them so much effort to get it down while another one is probably already on the way again.

They mentioned she's basically john conner in the fact that she now has to hide and create a resistance in the current time line to prevent this from happening again while trying to survive. That's why that old chick said she's john conner she's the resistance, as she is going to create it now herself.

The next movie if even one gets made will be about them building out that resistance to fight legion off and after legion they will have to fight the next one off etc. It's a endless cycle.
 
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Dontero

Banned
I don't see why people need to excuse sexism.
Yeah i like Lara games because i like tits and shooting guns. If Lara looks like flat board i won't play.

It is completely ok to be sexist.

Equality is disease not benefit. Good things come only from difference not equality.
 
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Lanrutcon

Member
Equality is disease not benefit. Good things come only from difference not equality.

I don't think you mean Equality as per the definition of the word, which is "the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities". Equality as per that definition is a good thing.

I think you mean Equality in whatever weird twisted social justice circlejerk way the word gets thrown around and abused.
 

Dontero

Banned
I don't think you mean Equality as per the definition of the word, which is "the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities". Equality as per that definition is a good thing.

No i mean it.
Whatever it is opportunity, status or rights equality is wrong.

Opportunity:
I spend my days working hard, i save money. I sent my kid to good school i paid for.
Someone else drinks all his money and instead of working hard he is lazy. He doesn't have money to send his kid to good school.

It is obvious that my kid opportunity is something that is just.

Status:
I don't drink, smoke or do drugs, i help my local community.
Someone else deals drugs, steals and fights with people.

Why should his status be equal to mine ?

Rights:
Women are weaker on average compared to men by a lot.
Should i require women to do same physical work ?
 
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Harlock

Member
I don't watch Doctor Who but some random video played on the season before it went "woke" and it seemed like the series had already been shit by then m8.

The themes got very worse, with direct episodes about social justice events. But on top that, The Doctor was always kinda of cynical/satirical character. This is very hard to work with women.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
No i mean it.
Whatever it is opportunity, status or rights equality is wrong.

Opportunity:
I spend my days working hard, i save money. I sent my kid to good school i paid for.
Someone else drinks all his money and instead of working hard he is lazy. He doesn't have money to send his kid to good schoo

It is obvious that my kid opportunity is something that is just.

As long as he (the drunk) had the same opportunities, that's fair. If he never had a chance, then that's unfair. If he fucked up his chances, then that's on him. You're confusing equality of outcome with equality of opportunity. I sense a huge language barrier here.

Status:
I don't drink, smoke or do drugs, i help my local community.
Someone else deals drugs, steals and fights with people.

Why should his status be equal to mine ?

It's not equal to yours. Equality of status is about social equality. You may not like what he's doing, but he still has the right to speak his mind, to own property (if legally acquired), equal access to social services, etc. If what he's doing is illegal, then the law will take away or restrict access to those rights (up to a point). You're confusing your status as a member of the community with civil rights.

Rights:
Women are weaker on average compared to men by a lot.
Should i require women to do same physical work ?

What you require is up to you, but if you try to deny someone an opportunity based on their sex that makes you a sexist. If you deny someone an opportunity based on their inability to do the job, then you're fine. So in your example: if a strong woman applies for a physical position and you turn her down without a good reason, then that's not equality. That's the opposite, in fact..

That being said, obviously the extreme left has some very different ideas about all this.
 

Dontero

Banned
As long as he (the drunk) had the same opportunities, that's fair. If he never had a chance, then that's unfair. If he fucked up his chances, then that's on him. You're confusing equality of outcome with equality of opportunity. I sense a huge language barrier here.

No it is you who are confusing things here. So let me continue that example. My kid had me working hard for his education and that drunk kid had him and he didn't sent him to school. By your argument kid didn't have same opportunity.

To me it is completely just and right.

It's not equal to yours. Equality of status is about social equality. You may not like what he's doing, but he still has the right to speak his mind, to own property (if legally acquired), equal access to social services, etc. If what he's doing is illegal, then the law will take away or restrict access to those rights (up to a point). You're confusing your status as a member of the community with civil rights.

Again you are confusing things here. Justice system and status are completely different things. But even if you go with justice system you can't have equal system either way. For one immunity system is based on lack of equality. Immigration system is based on lack of equality.
But i guess we might agree that most of people are equal with exceptions in face of law.


What you require is up to you, but if you try to deny someone an opportunity based on their sex that makes you a sexist. If you deny someone an opportunity based on their inability to do the job, then you're fine.

But that is not equality. Equality means equal rights regardless of things.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
No it is you who are confusing things here. So let me continue that example. My kid had me working hard for his education and that drunk kid had him and he didn't sent him to school. By your argument kid didn't have same opportunity.

To me it is completely just and right.

Could you rephrase that please. Your English is hard to understand. There's a drunk kid now...?

But that is not equality. Equality means equal rights regardless of things.

No, that's not what the word means. Equality means you get the opportunity, but not the outcome. For example, you have every right to apply for a position as a brain surgeon. That does not mean they have to hire you if you don't have the necessary qualifications. You have the right to education, not the right to good grades. You have the right to be allowed to try, not the right to succeed or excel. You get me?
 

-Troid-

Banned
The last time I went to the theater (for King of the Monsters I think) I saw a poster for the new Charlie's Angels. I liked the movies from the early 2000's so it caught my eye for a second because it had the cute girl who was the pink ranger in the Power Rangers movie, but then immideiately lost my interest when I saw Kristen Stewart.

She has to be one of the worst actresses of our time so that casting decision didn't instill confidence in me. Never saw but it doesn't seem I missed anything.
 
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If he never had a chance, then that's unfair. If he fucked up his chances, then that's on him. You're confusing equality of outcome with equality of opportunity. I sense a huge language barrier here.
maybe he had genetics he inherited that predisposed him to alcohol addiction and never truly had a chance given social situations often involve alcohol.
 

Lanrutcon

Member
maybe he had genetics he inherited that predisposed him to alcohol addiction and never truly had a chance given social situations often involve alcohol.

Interesting. Has a genetic predisposition to alcohol been proven as "a thing" to the point lawmakers even consider it? I can imagine some far flung future where we live in a dystopia where we are all prejudged on our genetics. Actually that sounds like a movie I saw once.
 

Whitecrow

Gold Member
The 'right' of a person to not be offended will always be prioritized obove science and facts. And thats why our world will never move to the right direction.
 
Interesting. Has a genetic predisposition to alcohol been proven as "a thing" to the point lawmakers even consider it? I can imagine some far flung future where we live in a dystopia where we are all prejudged on our genetics. Actually that sounds like a movie I saw once.
I've heard about genetic predispositions to alcohol addiction, but not sure how strong they can be given the right environment.
Among the behavioral traits parents can pass on to their children is a predisposition toward alcohol abuse and addiction. Among those abusing alcohol, people who are genetically predisposed to alcoholism have a higher risk of developing an alcohol use disorder. https://www.addictioncenter.com/alcohol/genetics-of-alcoholism/
 
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Orpheum

Member

See that's what the movie is about and that's why it failed.

Movies should be about interesting characters, plots, twists etc all fleshed out to entertain, excite, even terrify.

If your movie solely exist to show how the girls can punch dudes, you failed. it's simple.
There are female leads in both games and movies which are goddamn superb because they focus on what matters while at the same time empowering women
 

Dontero

Banned
Could you rephrase that please. Your English is hard to understand. There's a drunk kid now...?

From previous post:

Opportunity:
I spend my days working hard, i save money. I sent my kid to good school i paid for.
Someone else drinks all his money and instead of working hard he is lazy. He doesn't have money to send his kid to good school.

It is obvious that my kid opportunity is something that is just.
By your account that kid should have exact same opportunity as mine. Which is clearly unjust.
 
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VulcanRaven

Member
Terminator Dark Fate was worse than I thought it would be, i.e. it's literally a propaganda movie. There are no themes, no morality tale, nothing which made the first 2 movies have more substance & meaning, no, its sole reason for existing was "kill John Connor & make midget Mexican girl new woke badass leader of resistance".
So is having strong women as main characters in a movie propaganda now?
 
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