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[Shmunter]

Also no need to close the thread. Marketing and brand perception are one of the most single important factors in the industry and discussion is warranted.

Sony has done it again turning it into an advantage post the game sharing angle etc.

And this will just keep going on and on until MS consolidates their sub offers. The problem they have is the on flow price hike for including online in gamepass. Where to go from here?

 

[Kagey K]

Xbox needs to brain over on how to fix this. It’s messy having completely different sub services as opposed to simply having a tiered structure.

It's really not.

You get gold, you get Gamepass or you get both.

Ppl that don't play online but want gamepass aren't forced to get gold and ppl that don't want gamepass but want online get that. Ppl that want both can have both in 1 sub.

What options are there after June for ppl that want the Now library but don't care about playing online?

 

[Kagey K]

Also no need to close the thread. Marketing and brand perception are one of the most single important factors in the industry and discussion is warranted.

Sony has done it again turning it into an advantage post the game sharing angle etc.

And this will just keep going on and on until MS consolidates their sub offers. The problem they have is the on flow price hike for including online in gamepass. Where to go from here?

One Twotter fan boy post does not show brand perception.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I dont think Xbox is even releases Xbox Live numbers anymore.

That being said PS+ Extra is going to be pretty huge. Almost everyone I know dosen’t even know what a PS Now is.

 

[Gamerguy84]

I dont think Xbox is even releases Xbox Live numbers anymore.

That being said PS+ Extra is going to be pretty huge. Almost everyone I know dosen’t even know what a PS Now is.

Yea they need to advertise it as well. PSNOW is so under the radar your right people barely know what it is.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yea they need to advertise it as well. PSNOW is so under the radar your right people barely know what it is.

Yup, it's gonna be massive for casuals that already play FIFA/Fortnite/PUBG and pay for PS+ already for FIFA online gaming + GTA5. With GTA5 online included already for PS+, and 350+ PS4/5 games, the $40 extra is no brainer for those casuals. I might upgrade to Extra if something interests me, and keep preordering top quality games as well.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to have PS Now where I live and like 90% of the world.

 

[Hezekiah]

A service that gives you brand new games day and date STILL can't match a service that doesn't offer anywhere close to that! Gamepass is failing and it has Halo! That was the game we were all told would life Gamepass to great new heights yet here it is, languishing behind fucking Nintendo's completely half assed effort of a service!

The problem is that Halo has a lot of negativity around it at the moment, and the devs aren't popular with fans.

The fact that multiplayer is f2p doesn't help GP that much either. I completed the campaign on Heroic inside a month anyway, and once I'd done all the FOBs and enemy bases there was no reason to come back to the campaign.

And I got bored of FH5 real quick. Looks like Starfield will be the next first-party game to check out, unless Forza Motorsport comes out this year. But again while I expect that to be a big game, most people will likely be able to complete it in a month or two and unsubscribe if they want to.

 

[kyliethicc]

Yea they need to advertise it as well. PSNOW is so under the radar your right people barely know what it is.

That's why PS Now is dead in June. Plus is the brand people know and like.

 

[Prison Mike]

Shit better sell my xbox then........

 

[THE DUCK]

Xbox needs to brain over on how to fix this. It’s messy having completely different sub services as opposed to simply having a tiered structure.

Lol, that's exactly what they already have, gold is starter, gamepass is middle, gamepass ultimate is deluxe.

 

[adamsapple]

Surprised this topic is still open, at least the expected crowd is getting their jollies in.

 

[SlimySnake]

And it is STILL below Nintendo and Sony and they have released sweet fuck all on their sub services!!!

This is silly. the Nintendo and Sony services are required to play online. Gamepass has no such requirement.

 

[kyliethicc]

It's really not.

You get gold, you get Gamepass or you get both.

Ppl that don't play online but want gamepass aren't forced to get gold and ppl that don't want gamepass but want online get that. Ppl that want both can have both in 1 sub.

Currently, Xbox's service plans are messy. 2 services, 4 different tiers, and you can go up in price but lose features like online play.

Sony and Nintendo have simple offerings now. 1 service each. Pay more, get more, if you want.

What options are there after June for ppl that want the Now library but don't care about playing online?

To subscribe to PS Plus and enjoy acess to that same library, more features, and even more games than before.

As Sony said, less than 1 million people subbed to PS Now without also having PS Plus. Its 1% of their subscribers. Niche.

 

[MScarpa]

Yurinka, you here yet? That guy is always spouting some nonsense. I love it!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

This is silly. the Nintendo and Sony services are required to play online. Gamepass has no such requirement.

And GamePass has no online gaming for consoles so you can't play MP in the offered games without the $180/year sub, so? GP costs as much as PS+ Premium without monthly games, PS collection, online MP, let alone the cheaper version at $100 (Extra). All are subscriptions, they're similar in things and different in others.

 

[thismeinteil]

We'll, it's like I said when they first announced the merger, MS is probably going to be even more tight lipped with the GamePass numbers, since it will now be directly compared to Plus. MS hates having smaller numbers.

 

[ReBurn]

This is silly. the Nintendo and Sony services are required to play online. Gamepass has no such requirement.

Gamepass Ultimate has no such requirement. The $10 Xbox Gamepass does not include gold benefits, so you have to pay separately for online play.

This comparison article is stupid either way. It doesn't include gold subscribers and I would imagine there are still plenty of them who pay for gold to play shooters and sports online.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

And GamePass has no online gaming for consoles so you can't play MP in the offered games without the $180/year sub, so? GP costs as much as PS+ Premium without monthly games, PS collection, online MP, let alone the cheaper version at $100 (Extra). All are subscriptions, they're similar in things and different in others.

I love you Bo but I have to ask...

 

[jaysius]

In that case we need GamePass Ultimate numbers as GamePass has no online gaming, nor 2 free monthly games added forever to library (when your sub is active), and it's as expensive as PS+ Premium, with GP Ultimate being $180/year.

Your right they don’t have 2 “free games” aka games that cease to work once your subscription lapses. They have 4 because Gamepass ultimate has Games With Gold also.

 

[MScarpa]

A service that gives you brand new games day and date STILL can't match a service that doesn't offer anywhere close to that! Gamepass is failing and it has Halo! That was the game we were all told would life Gamepass to great new heights yet here it is, languishing behind fucking Nintendo's completely half assed effort of a service!

Currently playing Halo Infinite single player and I'm having a lot of fun. Should i just stop playing it now since Halo and Gamepass are failing? You guys are always so funny. I enjoy the laughs.

You should preface your posts with "My name is Vincent, I don't own an Xbox and don't have Gamepass"

 

[jaysius]

Over 100 Million Xbox Gold users.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella also confirmed more than 100 million monthly active users for Xbox Live and 18 million plus subscribers for Game Pass. Nadella called it a good news as the company expands its opportunity for the “world`s three billion gamers”.
in case anyone wants real apples to apples here.

Sorry that I sourced a news site, I know your favorite sources are your asses.

That would mean the real headline from non-clown biased and fact/logic skewing world is:

PS PLUS 51 MILLION Subs doesn’t have HALF the subs of Xbox Gold 100 Million subs

What a bunch of fucking thirsty clowns.

This thread is pure trash.

Took 4 pages for someone to google a few facts here.

 

[Kagey K]

To subscribe to PS Plus and enjoy acess to that same library, more features, and even more games than before.

As Sony said, less than 1 million people subbed to PS Now without also having PS Plus. Its 1% of their subscribers. Niche.

Again what if a person doesn't want plus and just wants to continue playing the Now library?

It's a massive price hike for them for a feature they arent looking for.

Also 1 million ppl with now that don't have plus is 1/3 (or 33%) of psnow current user base*

*Maybe not today current since so many jumped on to the 49.99 deal to convert later when it upgrades.

Sony saw a mass influx of users that day.

 

[kyliethicc]

Sorry that I sourced a news site, I know your favorite sources are your asses.

That would mean the real headline from non-clown biased and fact/logic skewing world is:

PS PLUS 51 MILLION Subs doesn’t have HALF the subs of Xbox Gold 100 Million subs

What a bunch of fucking thirsty clowns.

This thread is pure trash.

Took 4 pages for someone to google a few facts here.

MAU isn't paid subs lol

PSN has 110 mil MAU.

He's saying Xbox Network has 100 mil MAU, which are free accounts.

Again what if a person doesn't want plus and just wants to continue playing the Now library?

It's a massive price hike for them for a feature they arent looking for.

Don't want access to the PS Plus library of games? Don't subscribe. And anyone with a Now sub gets converted for free.

Also 1 million ppl with now that don't have plus is 1/3 (or 33%) of psnow current user base.

Yeah and Sony doesn't care. Its around 800k people, out of the ~ 48.8 million service subs they have. 1%.

 

[Shmunter]

Lol, that's exactly what they already have, gold is starter, gamepass is middle, gamepass ultimate is deluxe.

Gold is not a starter, it’s standalone. You need seperate gamepass sub if wanting online and gamepass. Or pay even more for ultimate if wanting it all in one.

Messy and a pr headache as psplus being a single service will be compared to gamepass sub numbers going forward whether one agrees or not. That’s the crux of it.

 

[jaysius]

MAU isn't paid subs lol

PSN has 110 mil MAU.

He's saying Xbox Network has 100 mil MAU, which are free accounts.

Did you see the entire sentence before you replied? Jesus I can’t be there to read this aloud for you.

He’s saying Live the old name it’s Xbox Gold.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella also confirmed more than 100 million monthly active users for Xbox Live

 

[CatLady]

Currently, Xbox's service plans are messy. 2 services, 4 different tiers, and you can go up in price but lose features like online play.

Sony and Nintendo have simple offerings now. 1 service each. Pay more, get more, if you want.


To subscribe to PS Plus and enjoy acess to that same library, more features, and even more games than before.

As Sony said, less than 1 million people subbed to PS Now without also having PS Plus. Its 1% of their subscribers. Niche.

If it's around 1 million that's over 30% of PSNow subscribers.

Renaming PSNow to the much more successful PS+ does work well to hide how embarrassing PSNow's numbers are, especially when compared to Game Pass.

 

[kyliethicc]

Did you see the entire sentence before you replied? Jesus I can’t be there to read this aloud for you.

Shes saying Live the old name it’s Xbox Gold.

Yes which is the old name for Xbox Network. He never says Gold.

A MAU isn't a paid subscriber. Everyone knows that.

If it's around 1 million that's over 30% of PSNow subscribers.

Renaming PSNow to the much more successful PS+ does work well to hide how embarrassing PSNow's numbers are, especially when compared to Game Pass.

Think Jimbo said its about 25% of Now subs. Around 800k out of 3.2 mil or so.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yes which is the old name for Xbox Network. He never says Gold.

Yes, if you want to play probably Solitaire on PC you need Xbox Live.

 

[Kenshin775]

I have no problem with this. Technically It's true PS plus has the most subscribers. But If you compare Netflix like game services and try to act like PS Plus Essential is one of those services then we have a problem.

But this is good for MS. More comparisons of Game Pass to Sony's renamed PSnow service draws more attention to how good Game Pass is.

 

[THE DUCK]

Gold is not a starter, it’s standalone. You need seperate gamepass sub if wanting online and gamepass. Or pay even more for ultimate if wanting it all in one.

Messy and a pr headache as psplus being a single service will be compared to gamepass sub numbers going forward whether one agrees or not. That’s the crux of it.

Anyone with two eyes who can read can figure it out. If anything the ps plus new tiered system is more complicated, you need a chart just to check and see what you getting at each level.....

 

[RoboFu]

Sorry that I sourced a news site, I know your favorite sources are your asses.

That would mean the real headline from non-clown biased and fact/logic skewing world is:

PS PLUS 51 MILLION Subs doesn’t have HALF the subs of Xbox Gold 100 Million subs

What a bunch of fucking thirsty clowns.

This thread is pure trash.

Took 4 pages for someone to google a few facts here.

I posted that on page one.. everyone ignored it obviously.

 

[Warnen]

all thanks to destiny…. Sony’s wisest move to date.

 

[sainraja]

And GamePass has no online gaming for consoles so you can't play MP in the offered games without the $180/year sub, so? GP costs as much as PS+ Premium without monthly games, PS collection, online MP, let alone the cheaper version at $100 (Extra). All are subscriptions, they're similar in things and different in others.

^^ This is getting lost on everyone.

I mean, console wars aside.....these are subscription services specifically for gaming. That's what they have in common — the value prop can be different and it's going to be the audience for each respective console that will decide if it is worth it or not.

They can be compared as they are. Hell, people compared them before; now just because some numbers are being thrown into the mix shouldn't change that and why should that matter to anyone here?
None of us had anything to do with the design of these services lol.

Getting Game Pass won't give you access to Sony's first party line-up day one so using that as point against those interested in PS titles is a bit pointless, don't you think? And if Sony also offered day and date, the same would apply to PS fans who try to use that as some sort of a win over the 'other' guys.

 

[jaysius]

Yes which is the old name for Xbox Network. He never says Gold.

A MAU isn't a paid subscriber. Everyone knows that.


Think Jimbo said its about 25% of Now subs. Around 800k out of 3.2 mil or so.

Do you understand if you could find accurate PSN MAU numbers it would be a real comparison vs comparing a cheaper Sony service that gives Online Play vs a Microsoft service that gives games.
PSNow subs vs Gamepass subs would make sense, but you probably wouldn’t like those numbers at all.

 

[remember_spinal]

As of june sony will have more new first party games on their subscription service also so you also have to really consider the value you’re getting with both services. It might not be day 1 but if day 1 first party games aren’t coming out every month it really doesnt matter anyway.

I assume once summer rolls around the shift will already start to happen once people start playing games like miles and returnal on it

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

The PlayStation Plus, on the other hand, has around 48 million subscribers(via Sony.com), with the PlayStation Now boasting another 3.2 million subscribers. If we merge the two, we are looking at somewhere around 51 million subscribers, which is more than twice what the Xbox Game Pass has.

So renaming PS Now to PS+ means Gamepass is losing in subs now? If they add a 4th tier of PS+ that's free and gives all the benefits that not being subbed already does that mean PS+ will have 120+mil users? I think it's very clear gamepass competes against other full catalog services like Ubi+ and now PS premium tier not Nintendo Switch Online and PS+ basic.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Throw in Office 365 as well.

I mean, you might as well call them a bonafide rental service at this point.

You’ll own nothing and like it. No really, you actually like it.

Back when there was just horse armor, everyone laughed at a future like this. What a time to be alive.

In 10 years, you will be paying a sub for your PC OS, and we will hear, “thank you sir, may I sub to another!”

 

[remember_spinal]

So renaming PS Now to PS+ means Gamepass is losing in subs now?

Yes. And losing would be putting it lightly….its effectively 2:1 lead

 

[kyliethicc]

Do you understand if you could find accurate PSN MAU numbers it would be a real comparison

PSN MAU are announced by Sony every quarter.

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/21q3_supplement.pdf

vs comparing a cheaper Sony service that gives Online Play vs a Microsoft service that gives games.

PlayStation Plus, Nintendo Online, and Xbox Game Pass (and Live Gold) are all gaming services. The comparisons are obvious.

Hardware from each differs a bit, but are still compared, understandably. Same with services.

PSNow subs vs Gamepass subs would make sense, but you probably wouldn’t like those numbers at all.

Around 3 mil Now subs vs 25 mil GP subs. Why wouldn't I like that comparison?

Now is of course dead this June, since its now part of Plus's 48 mil subs.

 

[Excess]

Of course it has more. They simply converted regular PS + users into their new program.

Sage and report.

 

[jaysius]

PSN MAU are announced by Sony every quarter.

https://www.sony.com/en/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/pdf/21q3_supplement.pdf

You see that’s still not a comparison, does it hurt that much to think bilatterally for a moment?

You people can’t be reasoned with.

The numbers are much closer though than a deficit of 50 million.

Go ahead and move the goal post again though.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You see that’s still not a comparison, does it hurt that much to think unilaterally for a moment?

You people can’t be reasoned with.

 

[remember_spinal]

Also, people have to consider this is only the first iteration of this new services. We can only assume that it will continue to improve and offer additional incentives over time like gamepass has.

I think sony was smart with this. They didn’t kill their primary revenue generator but they did just enough to disrupt what gamepass was doing

 

[Robb]

Hasn’t this been the case for years? Those two aren’t really comparable.

 

[Kagey K]

MAU isn't paid subs lol

PSN has 110 mil MAU.

He's saying Xbox Network has 100 mil MAU, which are free accounts.


Don't want access to the PS Plus library of games? Don't subscribe. And anyone with a Now sub gets converted for free.


Yeah and Sony doesn't care. Its around 800k people, out of the ~ 48.8 million service subs they have. 1%.

So basically fuck them.

It's only almost a million people, but they can either fuck themselves or learn to like it.

Seems like a great attitude to take.

 

[kyliethicc]

You see that’s still not a comparison, does it hurt that much to think unilaterally for a moment?

You people can’t be reasoned with.

The numbers are much closer though than a deficit of 50 million.

Go ahead and move the goal post again though.

At this point, I see you have no idea what you're talking about honey. Feel better.

 

[jaysius]

At this point, I see you have no idea what you're talking about honey. Feel better.

That’s how out of touch you are.

What I was saying is for a 1:1 COMPARISON you need to find the XBOX MAU also. You merely posted the Sony stats when in your original reply.

 

[Kagey K]

Of course it has more. They simply converted regular PS + users into their new program.

Sage and report.

The funny thing is for the majority they will continue to pay the same, and no services will have changed.

I don't think we are going to see people demanding breakdowns of tiered subs and asking if it's sustainable once it just shows up as one number in thier quarterly reports though.

 

[Hendrick's]

I mean, you might as well call them a bonafide rental service at this point.

You’ll own nothing and like it. No really, you actually like it.

Back when there was just horse armor, everyone laughed at a future like this. What a time to be alive.

In 10 years, you will be paying a sub for your PC OS, and we will hear, “thank you sir, may I sub to another!”

I prefer the sub model. It works better for me. And let's be honest. Even if you still buy physical, you don't own anything but a piece of plastic.

 

[sainraja]

You see that’s still not a comparison, does it hurt that much to think unilaterally for a moment?

You people can’t be reasoned with.

The numbers are much closer though than a deficit of 50 million.

Go ahead and move the goal post again though.

"If you could only follow my very specific rules then you will see what I mean!"

Lol.

People will compare subscriptions services available on both systems when making a decision. Not saying "numbers" is going to be important to them but the value prop is going to be a factor. if they like what PS+ tiers offer they will go with that and if they like what Gamepass etc offer, they will go there. They aren't going to say it's not a fair comparison so I won't be deciding which one to go with!