i can talk for Italy...the xsx is very rare to find in stock the shops receive very few we are almost 1/10 of the PS5 disc version (the PS5 Digital I have hardly ever seen), usually are allocated around 15 ps5 per month, 2 xsx and 4 xss. (I'm talking about shops with 1500+ m2). It is probably more complicated for Microsoft to build two models with such different Apu and above all they also had to use the x series to update Xcloud
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Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X are are at least 50/50 in terms of install base in major territories
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DonkeyKong
Member
I think the Series S has a place, i know a few people who got one as a "family" console along with a gamepass sub..
Alx
Member
I haven't jumped in the next gen yet, but when I will it will probably be with a Series S. Considering the specs of my TV(s), the kinds of games I play and the budget I allocate to gaming, it seems like the better choice for me.
SeriesX and PS5 will probably be "premium" for at least 2 more years, so it's find to have access to a regular alternative.
SeriesX and PS5 will probably be "premium" for at least 2 more years, so it's find to have access to a regular alternative.
Rykan
Member
This shows that Microsoft has massively underproduced the Series X and, considering that the Series S is widely available and easy to obtain in many major regions, overproduced the Series S. This also explains why there already is such a large gap in sales between PS5 and the Xbox Series consoles: Both PS5 models and the XSX are sold out due to to high demand, but the Series S is sitting on shelves.
Had Microsoft allocated those resources to the XSX instead, that gap would have been much smaller if not entirely bridged.
Also people saying that this "Proves that XSS will outsell the XSX" are memeworthy. Even in an ideal situation for the Series S where Xbox Series X is sold out and people are picking up the Series S because they can't find a series X, the Series S is only able to match the Series X in some regions.
Had Microsoft allocated those resources to the XSX instead, that gap would have been much smaller if not entirely bridged.
Also people saying that this "Proves that XSS will outsell the XSX" are memeworthy. Even in an ideal situation for the Series S where Xbox Series X is sold out and people are picking up the Series S because they can't find a series X, the Series S is only able to match the Series X in some regions.
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As others have mentioned, 4m less series s wouldn't have meant 4 more series x. The simple fact that more series s apu can be made from a single wafer means that its easier to make series s.
Microsoft does seriously need to up production of series X's though.
I don't why I am currently interested in Google trends but I am. I need to see if it actually means anything but if it does.
Blue is series x, red is series s and this is for people searching xbox series x/s
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For the people in India, I am interested to know the main search engine. Google trends looks like it seriously lacks data points within India. Its very noisy graphs.
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Little Mac
Gold Member
I bought the S because I couldn’t find an X. Despite that, it’s a great console and when bundled with gamepass, an amazing value. Halo and Forza look awesome. I’m positive this will hold me over for a few years until a Series X Pro gets announced. Hopefully chip/supply issues will be resolved by then.
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Papacheeks
Banned
They didn't start Manufacturing until sometime in August if I remember. Which is way too late.
Just shows you who was prepared and also who cares more about console sales. I guess GAMEPASS must be killing it on previous XBox consoles and PC right?
Mr Moose
Member
Weird tweet, laptops exist.
nush
Gold Member
My prediction of the long game (that I've already said before at XSS launch) is that the Series S is being primed for a set-top box given away "free/heavily subsidized" with a paid subscription to Gamepass once they can cost down the box and bundle some other streaming services with it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
At 3x the cost, yeah.
nush
Gold Member
It's for the kids in the back of the car on a long journey. I worked for a company that made those portable console screens way back in the day, made a lot of money off them, super popular but not aimed at core gamers.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Xmas deal: pay 250 bucks and play Forza 5 and the new Halo for free. 300+ other games included.
It almost sounds like a decent deal.
Mr Moose
Member
Yeah the screen things are cool, I think they used to make things like that for the PSOne, it's just the "No, just us??" part of the tweet.
LaughingStock
Member
The only SXs that we can buy around here are being sold by scalpers for double the price or even more. While the SS are readily available in any store.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Nope. The decision was basically "do you want to sell 6m XSX and 0 XSS or do you want to sell 4m XSX and 4m XSS?". Why would Microsoft ever go for the first option?
nush
Gold Member
Kickstarter project that thinks they have invented the wheel, but as they only asked for 13K ASD they must have been backed by someone to get the product to market.
DaleinCalgary
Member
Yes availability effects sales, if you can't find one you can't buy one. You can find S's fairly easily if you want one thus it is selling.
These sales threads mean nothing to me besides showing what MS and Sony can produce through channels. Until both are on the shelves full time we don't know what the real demand is besides they sell everything they can make.
I wouldnt be surprised if the backers required proof of demand via something like kickstarter.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
Demand and supply yadada
The fact that the S is so readily availaable and still can't outsell the X tells you the real picture here
The fact that the S is so readily availaable and still can't outsell the X tells you the real picture here
Chukhopops
Member
All MS games will be on PC and will need to support a wide range of configs including older/weaker ones than the SS. Forza Horizon 5 min spec is a GTX970, a card from 2014. And yet the game looks next-gen according to most reviews.
There’s too much nonsense to address all of it but how do you know the SS and SX are equally easy to source in terms of components? Unless you have anything to back it then you’re just guessing.
If it was the case that both are equally easy to produce then you’d think MS would have readjusted the production in the whole year that happened since launch.
Generally speaking it’s amazing to see the usual suspects rewriting their narrative in real time from « it sells 0, worse than the Ouya, least desirable etc » to « well ok it sells but only because people can’t find the Series X », still no proof of that but that’s progress I suppose.
Gameplaylover
Member
At the beginning of a gen the first buyers are the core gamers that go for the X. I have absoultely no doubt that at the end of this gen S easily outsells X.
FrankWza
Member
It’s in stock at Bestbuy for store pickup this weekend and has been for 2 days. We’re not even in thanksgiving/Black Friday week yet
Mr Moose
Member
You can get them on the Xbox All Access thing online with same day delivery, some stores have them in-store (target has them, apparently).Only places the series s is “ widget available “ is maybe the UK? And other random countries. Or you are just lying.
it has not been readily available in the us the only real country that matters..
The fact that some of these users forget that xbox and almost all third party devs generally supports pc that are alot less powerful than the s would be worrisome if their motives weren't transparent
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Oh shit only one left near me and they just came in last night! Got to go!!!
FrankWza
Member
Run and get it you green rat! Use the walls and pipes if you need to.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Not at target.. they only do local and do not ship unless local for these consoles.
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DonJorginho
Banned
I bought the S as a solid companion to the PS5, allows me to play all the BCC games I want from the OG Xbox and 360 era, as well as experiencing certain new Xbox exclusives day one via Gamepass.
It's small size, light weight and whisper quiet fans make it a unit I can easily fit in anywhere around the house, office and even travelling.
It's small size, light weight and whisper quiet fans make it a unit I can easily fit in anywhere around the house, office and even travelling.
Your recollection is much different than mine. My recollection is most people saying the S would eventually outsell the X because of the price.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
I was too late. The guy says they have more but for next weekend.
Kokoloko85
Member
The Series S is in stock and the Series X not so much, thats probably why its sold close or more than the Series X. Otherwise the Series X will sell more.
There are some delusional people in here think its because MS want the series S to sell more due to Cloud gaming and gamepass etc are dumb.
Its not a stroke of genius or anything like that lol. And some casuals probably didnt even know the difference.
Personally if I missed out on the Series X, I would get a series S. But if the X is available most hardcore fans arent gonna get the S for any other reason than being a secondary console
There are some delusional people in here think its because MS want the series S to sell more due to Cloud gaming and gamepass etc are dumb.
Its not a stroke of genius or anything like that lol. And some casuals probably didnt even know the difference.
Personally if I missed out on the Series X, I would get a series S. But if the X is available most hardcore fans arent gonna get the S for any other reason than being a secondary console
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It’s a risky strat… if the S ends up overshadowing the X consumers might end up associating Xbox with bottom of the barrel.
Are you really in here talking about other people being dumb while suggesting hardcore fans will buy more consoles than casuals?
ethomaz
Banned
Neither has contract with TSMC.
They have contract with AMD.
AMD has a contract with TSMC for 150k 7nm wafers for 2021... from these 80% (120k) are allocated to consoles with Sony getting 80k wafers and MS 40k wafers.
AMD sells the chips already produced and tested to Sony/MS... that is why the defectives are used by AMD and not Sony/MS.
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Kokoloko85
Member
I never said hardcore fans are gonna buy more consoles than casuals. I just said hardcore fans will mostly likely get a Series X. Casuals will buy both
Oh that's interesting, you got a link/source? Do we know how many usable APU's are available per wafer?
But you suggested the X would outsell the S. Once these things are routinely available, casuals will most likely get an S though. Even MS expects that. Which is why I felt you were implying casuals will prefer the more expensive version.
ethomaz
Banned
The AMD contract with TSMC for 2021 were defined in Q4 last year (probably AMD is in talk with TSMC right now to the amount for 2022).
How many APUs come from a wafer is simple to math the issue is that the numbers of the defectives is unknow.
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cheers, might have to folllow that account.
ReBurn
Gold Member
I'm not sure what the definition of "truly next gen" is, but even when those games happen people will still use Series S because it's still going to play those truly next gen games because that's what it was designed to do. It will just do it at lower settings not unlike how many people who will play it on PC will experience those games. Especially if they are still using 1080p TV's, like many are.
ethomaz
Banned
BTW your others question.
300mm (12in) wafer can fit around:
- 229 308mm2 APUs (PS5).
- 197 360mm2 APUs (Series X).
- 358 197mm2 APUs (Series S).
Of course that doesn't account defectives.
In PS5 case is easier to reach a number... imagine from 229 you have 200 good (29 defectives)... 80k wafers give you 16 million APUs in 2021 (that fits the current Sony Forecast).
For MS is trick because we don't know how many of 40k wafers are being used to Series X or Series S.
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prinz_valium
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Series S backordered at Amazon.co.uk
Even if the Series S is readily available in the EU right now, there will be stock shortages this holiday for the Series S in Europe.
The Series X will continue to sell out instantly.
Last year at this time, the Xbox One, got it second price drop.
Even if the Series S is readily available in the EU right now, there will be stock shortages this holiday for the Series S in Europe.
The Series X will continue to sell out instantly.
Last year at this time, the Xbox One, got it second price drop.
prinz_valium
Member
150mm wafer? Those are not used for the console chips.
It's 300mm wafer.
Probably a typo.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I looked at the article and those numbers are no where to be seen btw. So I don't know how he arrives at these numbers.