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Xcloud: M&k support, less latency, 1440p resolution. Coming very soon
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nominedomine
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Is 1440p better than just providing 1080p with better compression? Compression is really what is spoiling the experience for me, I was enjoying Flight Simulator on xCloud but it just doesn't look anywhere near as good as it should based on screenshots I've seen. It's evident with the clouds for example, they were impressive running it natively on my old ass PC but playing over the cloud running from a Series X (I think) they don't impress at all anymore.
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No clue but stadia kills it at 4k, don't see why 1440p can't work well
They also really need a Xbox wifi controller
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nominedomine
Banned
I think higher resolution usually will come with much better bitrate so it should be much better in theory. I wonder what is stopping them from offering 4K already? They went with Series X blades instead of Series S so 4K would make a lot more sense to me.
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The 1440p thing is a bit of misreading of the video.
Currently you have a dumb setup where the game and server still things you are delivering to a 4k TV. The plan is to remove that stupidity and then allow devs to determine what display resolutions that they want to render. At the moment, the limit is sdr 1440p.
Benefit is that the dev can drop the resolution to improve latency. There is also some funky stuff around actually changing the aspect ratio.
Cost maybe? You do have a monthly charge JUST for 4k
But yeah, till this day stadia kills it at 4k and latency, hopefully Ms gets there
Chukhopops
Member
If they make it work and I can play 4X games at 1440p with low latency I’ll never need to upgrade my PC again.
(As long as XCloud is finally supported in my country)
(As long as XCloud is finally supported in my country)
TBiddy
Member
It probably won't be ever. There will always be a limiting factor due to the speed of light and all that.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Streaming future looking bright. Most people won't bother buying native hardware because of potential 30 ms less latency that they wouldn't notice anyway.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They're also introducing a clarity boost on Edge browsers, which looks like an upscaling + sharpening thing. Nothing that mind blowing, but for streaming the comparison picture makes the image clearer for sure. They're making some good improvements on the Cloud front.
www.engadget.com
Microsoft Edge update brings Xbox streaming 'Clarity Boost' to everyone
Microsoft's Edge browser now has a host of gaming-specific features, including clearer Xbox streaming.
www.engadget.com
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hey Alex, is this just a "sharpening filter"?They're also introducing a clarity boost on Edge browsers, which looks like an upscaling + sharpening thing. Nothing that mind blowing, but for streaming the comparison picture makes the image clearer for sure. They're making some good improvements on the Cloud front.
Microsoft Edge update brings Xbox streaming 'Clarity Boost' to everyone
Microsoft's Edge browser now has a host of gaming-specific features, including clearer Xbox streaming.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Nice improvements!
So when is this coming out of beta?
So when is this coming out of beta?
12Dannu123
Member
They're moving along quite quickly. Xbox cloud gaming should be on the same level as the Console platforms in terms of priority, especially now that it will have the option to stream your game library.
Hopefully Sony improves their cloud gaming service, right now they're very behind and risk being left out in the cold.
Hopefully Sony improves their cloud gaming service, right now they're very behind and risk being left out in the cold.
Tygeezy
Member
Fiber connections net you something like 5-15 ms within a pretty large distance. It's going to be very viable for everything outside of competitive gaming if you have a fiber connection.
Kazekage1981
Member
Doesn't the speed of your ISP also affect game streaming? Right now, the highest in USA is 1Gbps right? Even though you have Wi-Fi 6E routers that can go up to 10Gbps
RaZoR No1
Member
xCloud latency will always be worse than Stadia / Geforce Now, because the games run on XSX Blades/consoles, which already have worse latency compared to PC.
Wasnt there even a comparision between them all and sometimes Stadia/ Geforce Now had better latency than even playing natively on console?
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It was posted in this thread
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...w-rtx-3080-cloud-vs-xcloud-vs-stadia.1628150/
Wasnt there even a comparision between them all and sometimes Stadia/ Geforce Now had better latency than even playing natively on console?
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It was posted in this thread
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digi...w-rtx-3080-cloud-vs-xcloud-vs-stadia.1628150/
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RaZoR No1
Member
Ping/latency is more important if you are streaming.
The download and upload speed "only" limits your resolution
ManaByte
Gold Member
No AT&T goes up to 5 in some areas now.
That's were remote play comes in clutch
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Good shit. That should put it into the same range for input latency as GeForce Now and Stadia, which is about as good or a little better than native console play at 60fps.
Screen caps courtesy of A.Romero from the thread linked above...
Screen caps courtesy of A.Romero from the thread linked above...
Some captures:
Latency tested on 60 and 120 hz (120 only supported on Crucible):
Outriders comparison at 60 hz:
For me xcloud/psnow have gotten to a point where i cant even tell if its streaming or running native for games in the xbox 360/ps3 era and below via local wifi. Im just waiting for xcloud to allow me to stream my whole xbox gaming library outside of my home network and better celluar mobile performance.
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01011001
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what I find interesting is that they are talking about arbitrary resolution support. I wonder if they will also support that on console, since there's no real reason not to right? after all these games run on Series X hardware and on the Series X OS.
with that games could finally support 21:9 or 16:10 resolutions.
also as an alternative they advise devs to expose PC resolution settings, which I would also be all for!
with that games could finally support 21:9 or 16:10 resolutions.
also as an alternative they advise devs to expose PC resolution settings, which I would also be all for!
Craig of War
Banned
They need universal M&K support on console too it long overdue
01011001
Banned
xCloud could be the thing that pushed devs in that direction. PC users will demand it more and more and there is no reason not to support it as most of these games are also on PC
DavidGzz
Member
Yep! Do you know what has more latency than streaming? Going from a monitor to a television with mouse gaming. I notice that WAY more than I notice any latency with GE Force Now. I don't notice it at all. If Xcloud can compare to GE Force Now and have a good resolution, it will be amazing.
MScarpa
Member
Yes it is to answer your question. And what is your Gamertag, I'd love to add you.
I was wondering the same thing after watching the video. It does feel weird to allow devs to change the display resolution for xcloud but not for console users if they are using roughly the same hardware.
Especially for something like remote play, that would be useful to get ride of the black bars on my phone.
DavidGzz
Member
Holy shit, I didn't know about this. The anti-streaming people(because of latency) that are console-only players are looking pretty funny now. I knew I wasn't crazy when I said I don't even notice latency when I play GE Force now at work on a wired connection. It's great.
Kagey K
Banned
For the most part I use my Xbox for remote streaming if I'm playing something intensive, but the xcloud touch controls are on point and click games like AI, Drangonropa and Nonary games are
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Yeah, the way that the touch controls disappears on when the cut scenes start in danganronpa 2 is a nice touch.For the most part I use my Xbox for remote streaming if I'm playing something intensive, but the xcloud touch controls on point and click games like AI, Drangonropa and Nonary games are
Kagey K
Banned
They honestly feel like native phone games, and make sense for the genre.
I prefer them to the console controls, with the cursor.
This is where something like smart glass could have made sense for console only gamers instead of trying to shoehorn it into everything.
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40-50 Mbps is enough to stream in 4K + surround sound. Anything above that is redundant and is only really useful to do multiple things on the same connection (eg if someone else in the house is watching Netflix). As others have said it's latency (ping) that matters.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
I welcome improved quality, I use Xcloud to try games out, or if I dont have enough SSD space.
My biggest complaint is somtimes games which are 60fps on seriesX are 30fps on xcloud.
My biggest complaint is somtimes games which are 60fps on seriesX are 30fps on xcloud.
12Dannu123
Member
The reason why there's a 30 FPS limit on XCloud and 60FPS on XSX is because XCloud is running XSX server blades but using a Series S profile.
Spyxos
Gold Member
Real 4k is usually only 30fps on consoles, but for streaming you need atleast 60fps.
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Your experience is not everyone's experience. Also try it with a wired controller, helps a bunch.
Its available in mexico, brazil, argentina and the only supported countries for xbox that dont have cloud are chile and colombia which will probably get it soonish
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01011001
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yikes... if you can't tell those from native, the 2 worst streaming services out there... I mean... damn, that's some level of casual I didn't expect on such a forum
nominedomine
Banned
I didn't think about that, but I don't think it needs to render at 4K to benefit from the better quality of 4K video streaming.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
That sounds like packet loss, your speed is not the issue.
Could be caused by high jitter or maybe a link in your network, like a switch.
I didnt know this was a techincal forum, i thought it was a forum for people who love the hobby. Maybe i have a good internet connection, maybe im old and the reflexes/eyesight cant tell the difference anymore. I really only notice a difference with modern games. Not everyone are cyborgs who can spot every single dropped frame, feel the diff bet .000001 and .000002ms input lag, count every pixel.