Hopefully with a gyroscope & a wired variant for competitive play. Of course, if the NX w/ the Base Dock supports the GameCube Adapter, that would be perfect for competitive Smash.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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You just described an hybrid.
Monocle
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I remember a time, decades distant, when I could loose a mighty screech of frustration and spike my SNES controller into the floor, and it would bounce back just fine.
Then the N64 with its weird trident controller came along. The extra weight and pointed bits meant you had to be a little more careful when you drop-kicked it into the drywall, but most of the time the only lasting damage to the controller was a couple of cracks and a grainy rattle.
Rightly afraid to alienate the millions of gamers who spent their weekends glued to their TV and intermittently shrieking "Why don't you eat THIS mushroom!" at Mario 64, the Gamecube's controller was less hefty than the N64's, if a little more brittle. Still, it could stand up to a couple good slingshots at the ceiling without disintegrating beyond repair.
Much of Nintendo's renewed goodwill was squandered with the release of the Wii, whose Wiimotes proved to be the perfect missiles to destroy your dad's new plasma screen, or work in tandem with the nunchuck attachment to fracture Grandpa's jaw during a heated game of Wii Sports. The controller itself was fairly durable, but nothing will unburn those bridges.
Then the Wii U arrived, and it was clear that Nintendo had cast off what little respect they still had for those among their loyal customers who occasionally needed to raise our controllers like Simba and then powerbomb them through the coffee table. You had to sell the whole system just to recoup the cost of a new gamepad!
Now, finally, we learn that Nintendo's contempt for their most passionate fans has reached a new low with the design of the NX, a hybrid device whose core components are inside the controller. I don't need to spell out the dire implications of this move.
Nintendo, end your war on controller breaking tantrums and cancel your outrageous plans for the NX or I guarantee you'll go third party by Christmas!
Then the N64 with its weird trident controller came along. The extra weight and pointed bits meant you had to be a little more careful when you drop-kicked it into the drywall, but most of the time the only lasting damage to the controller was a couple of cracks and a grainy rattle.
Rightly afraid to alienate the millions of gamers who spent their weekends glued to their TV and intermittently shrieking "Why don't you eat THIS mushroom!" at Mario 64, the Gamecube's controller was less hefty than the N64's, if a little more brittle. Still, it could stand up to a couple good slingshots at the ceiling without disintegrating beyond repair.
Much of Nintendo's renewed goodwill was squandered with the release of the Wii, whose Wiimotes proved to be the perfect missiles to destroy your dad's new plasma screen, or work in tandem with the nunchuck attachment to fracture Grandpa's jaw during a heated game of Wii Sports. The controller itself was fairly durable, but nothing will unburn those bridges.
Then the Wii U arrived, and it was clear that Nintendo had cast off what little respect they still had for those among their loyal customers who occasionally needed to raise our controllers like Simba and then powerbomb them through the coffee table. You had to sell the whole system just to recoup the cost of a new gamepad!
Now, finally, we learn that Nintendo's contempt for their most passionate fans has reached a new low with the design of the NX, a hybrid device whose core components are inside the controller. I don't need to spell out the dire implications of this move.
Nintendo, end your war on controller breaking tantrums and cancel your outrageous plans for the NX or I guarantee you'll go third party by Christmas!
It is getting rather semantic, I agree.
The point is this 'hybrid' design seems to be the worst of both worlds. It messes up the handheld by making it come to pieces, while providing none of the advantages of being a home console.
It feels like Eurogamer have pieces of the puzzle, but have assembled them in the wrong order. I imagine it'll make a lot more sense when Nintendo actually reveal something.
Excited about the news, but I wonder just how portable the NX will be...like can I fit it in my pocket along with my cell phone and keys. If not, I'll just keep it around the house which is OK too.
I really hope this thing has good third party support. If so, this will be my go to console after PC. The best feature of the Wii U was the ability to play games on the gamepad. I like to watch TV and game at the same time. The Xbox One snap TV mode didn't do it for me since my TV isn't that big.
I really hope this thing has good third party support. If so, this will be my go to console after PC. The best feature of the Wii U was the ability to play games on the gamepad. I like to watch TV and game at the same time. The Xbox One snap TV mode didn't do it for me since my TV isn't that big.
Yeah, past generations I always tried to own all the consoles. I own PS2/GameCube/Xbox, PS3/Wii/Xbox 360.
But for me it comes down to the games and just last night I was looking through several lists of PS4 and Xbox One exclusives and I was extremely underwhelmed. It amazes me how few good exclusives there are and we're 3 years into this generation and both MS and Sony are already launching new consoles. I know I'll probably end up getting at least a PS4/Neo for whatever Last Of Us sequel Naughty Dog ends up going with, but yeah, I'll do that once there have been a few more price cuts, maybe buy used.
But then I look at the Wii U list of exclusives, and yeah there's a lot of cheap phone/indie stuff, but there's also way more full games made by Nintendo that I'm interested in.
And I have 2 gaming rig PCs (desktop and laptop) so I'm pretty much set for multiplatforms since almost everything that's out on PS4 and Xbox One comes out on PC nowadays.
I really like the idea of a handheld/console hybrid. I hope the rumors of them releasing Splatoon on it are true, and that it includes local multiplayer so I don't have to worry about Nintendo taking down their servers a couple years after launch.
My X1 is mostly just for Rock Band. I'd probably sell it if RB4 actually got a PC port but it doesn't look like it's happening right now. I also use it for Halo, but Halo isn't really as big of a deal for me anymore now that it no longer has split-screen (and even if it did idk if I'd be using it since I don't have friends anymore).
My PS4 is mostly for more niche Japanese stuff, which is mostly coming to PC more and more frequently. And the Japanese games that don't come to PC probably aren't really going to use the extra Neo power, at least the ones I care about. I've more or less come to the conclusion that the vast majority of Sony's first-party output doesn't really appeal to me anymore.
NeonZ
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It'll likely have the handheld Nintendo 3rd party support - series like Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright, Atlus RPGs aside from Persona, etc. The big western 3rd party support was never coming for a system released in the middle of a generation (and that's ignoring Nintendo's historical issues with 3rd parties).
I'm similarly interested, but it all depends on if they can offer some kind of perpetuity for digital purchases of games outside virtual console games. Nintendo have never done this and are unlikely to be able to, but I still hope. If they can, it would be my first console in a long time. Doubtful but as an old Nintendo fan, I'll aways hope.
Either that or some initiative where they support PC or something in some way that works with the console hahaha
calc84maniac
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If I had a nickel for each time somebody has said that in this thread, my NX would be paid for.
Honestly, I'm excited because I really enjoy handhelds, and this seems like a more convenient system than juggling games between a Vita and Vita TV. Of course, the games are the deciding factor, but as someone who rarely plays AAA games the library could very well be right up my alley. People keep lamenting the death of A and AA titles, but this system would be a great outlet for them.
SinCityAssassin
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Oh monocle you cad.
Very funny. But, you know when you're playing on the console you won't be using the HH as a controller.
And we're good to go!
No dual screen set-up
Depends on whether or not this thing has 2 screens i imagine.
They could place the screens side by side on one screen like when playing DS games on Wii U.
The 3DS is so low res that I could imagine both fitting on the single screen quite easily like DS on the GamePad
spazimoose
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People really need to stop bringing up that external processing unit patent. Nintendo, like most companies, patents tons of stuff they never ever plan on implementing just in case. This would be unnecessarily complex and I just dont think Nintendo is up for it.
Sure external graphics cards were sort of a thing with laptops but it never took of because of technical and practical limitations of standards like thunderbolt and express card. Nintendo is not going to develop their PCIe alternative just for NX its just not going to happen. Dont get your hopes up for this. NX is perfectly capable with out this.
Sure external graphics cards were sort of a thing with laptops but it never took of because of technical and practical limitations of standards like thunderbolt and express card. Nintendo is not going to develop their PCIe alternative just for NX its just not going to happen. Dont get your hopes up for this. NX is perfectly capable with out this.
I think there are shoulder buttons on the top of the tablet, ala N3DS, that are only used when the controller is attached. I dont think the detachable controllers have anything more than what is shown. They can be detached so you can use it as a tablet. Not so you can play unattached or one person with each.
ZiZ
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I hope they can deliver on this. If they can truly pull this off, we would be getting the best of both worlds.
Handheld games like pokemon and monster hunter with console graphics.
Console games that can be played on the go.
What concerns me the most is multiplayer. Will it be like console local multiplayer with Multiple controllers connected to one unit? Or will it be like handheld multiplayer, where each player needs their own unit.
Handheld games like pokemon and monster hunter with console graphics.
Console games that can be played on the go.
What concerns me the most is multiplayer. Will it be like console local multiplayer with Multiple controllers connected to one unit? Or will it be like handheld multiplayer, where each player needs their own unit.
For people like you (and me) who like to use both handhelds and play on the TV then it's fine. When I say the worst of both worlds, I mean for the handheld-only gamer, and the console-only gamer.
Plinko
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Unveiled in September, not released.
They did say it would be revealed in Fall, and September is technically fall, so it's possible.
September announcement is normal. It's 6 months before the release in March. Just like many other console reveals being 5-6 months before launch.
While i was thinking about that thing that bugs me, about the two detachable controllers and what would be the concept around that, i had some kind of revelation.
Cause i was lwatching the digital foundry vid and the guy talked about the two pads as if it was so huge to have two pads out of the box, and i was like.. Are you fucking kidding me.. Are we all pretending there is anything new about giving away a secondary pad ? I mean it's just a good deal, but local multiplayer was there all along..
Then i got it.
Maybe the NX is reallly centered about the idea of a completely easy to transport, (on the "go" you know), self sufficient device that allows for super fun things between friends, in a living room, in the street, in a park, at a friend's house... Maybe that's the whole marketing idea here. It's like the Wii was at some point, a family friendly device for immediate fun, except it's super flexible, everyone can have his own and play all sort of things, (and that means also why not, AR multiplayer board games for exemple). Like.. The NX would be, more like a set of card than a console in the spirit.
So you could play with a friend everywhere by docking the screen somewhere (maybe it has some kind of ipad skin that can become a support you know, that couldl actually make it pretty fashionable), but why not imagining you could also for example plug one to a tv, and having a friend come with his NX, and you would be able to play a 4 player game on tv, maybe more. And why not use it for their infamous asynchronous (is that it) gameplay, with some players on the tv and some others on their NW screen.
Think about it. We know Nintendo always try again and again. What they failed on GBA, then DS, then with the WiiU. All those multiplayer concepts with different configurations... They can finally have it, with the proper marketing.
Just one device, really small, simple, and it can be used for so many things to have fun with your friends. And those two detachable pads probably have gyros to, so that little NX device can also create Wii fun for everyone on the go. What if a NX can recognize multiple controllers, so you can for exemple be in a park with your friends, and everyone detaches the controllers and put the NX on the ground, and everyone is playing Just Dance in the wild..
basically, sorry i'm long.. But yeah the NX would be centered around the idea that it's super small, simple, cheap, and can be used for so many gaming ideas between friends (everything Ubi has been asking for) everywhere.
That's learning everything from the Wii, but also from Monster Hunter and the whole community aspect of the biggest gaming success in Japan. You make people play in group.
I can already see the 80's commercial. I can also see a Wii like sucess if they have the right software with it (some genius multiplayer party game on the go).
Cause i was lwatching the digital foundry vid and the guy talked about the two pads as if it was so huge to have two pads out of the box, and i was like.. Are you fucking kidding me.. Are we all pretending there is anything new about giving away a secondary pad ? I mean it's just a good deal, but local multiplayer was there all along..
Then i got it.
Maybe the NX is reallly centered about the idea of a completely easy to transport, (on the "go" you know), self sufficient device that allows for super fun things between friends, in a living room, in the street, in a park, at a friend's house... Maybe that's the whole marketing idea here. It's like the Wii was at some point, a family friendly device for immediate fun, except it's super flexible, everyone can have his own and play all sort of things, (and that means also why not, AR multiplayer board games for exemple). Like.. The NX would be, more like a set of card than a console in the spirit.
So you could play with a friend everywhere by docking the screen somewhere (maybe it has some kind of ipad skin that can become a support you know, that couldl actually make it pretty fashionable), but why not imagining you could also for example plug one to a tv, and having a friend come with his NX, and you would be able to play a 4 player game on tv, maybe more. And why not use it for their infamous asynchronous (is that it) gameplay, with some players on the tv and some others on their NW screen.
Think about it. We know Nintendo always try again and again. What they failed on GBA, then DS, then with the WiiU. All those multiplayer concepts with different configurations... They can finally have it, with the proper marketing.
Just one device, really small, simple, and it can be used for so many things to have fun with your friends. And those two detachable pads probably have gyros to, so that little NX device can also create Wii fun for everyone on the go. What if a NX can recognize multiple controllers, so you can for exemple be in a park with your friends, and everyone detaches the controllers and put the NX on the ground, and everyone is playing Just Dance in the wild..
basically, sorry i'm long.. But yeah the NX would be centered around the idea that it's super small, simple, cheap, and can be used for so many gaming ideas between friends (everything Ubi has been asking for) everywhere.
That's learning everything from the Wii, but also from Monster Hunter and the whole community aspect of the biggest gaming success in Japan. You make people play in group.
I can already see the 80's commercial. I can also see a Wii like sucess if they have the right software with it (some genius multiplayer party game on the go).
My main concern for the new Nintendo system:
1. Online service. Account tied to hardware is simply ridiculous. Also, I don't like the current e-shop.
2. Region Lock.
3. OS. I think both 3DS and WiiU have crappy OS.
Really hope Nintendo can put their shit together this time.
Handheld-only gamers will be glad to play Zelda on the go. Console-only gamers can finally get Pokemon and Monster Hunter. I think they are both fine. I think it's for the best of both worlds. The less hardware I need to buy the better.
1. Online service. Account tied to hardware is simply ridiculous. Also, I don't like the current e-shop.
2. Region Lock.
3. OS. I think both 3DS and WiiU have crappy OS.
Really hope Nintendo can put their shit together this time.
Handheld-only gamers will be glad to play Zelda on the go. Console-only gamers can finally get Pokemon and Monster Hunter. I think they are both fine. I think it's for the best of both worlds. The less hardware I need to buy the better.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
For people who are concerned about competitive smash and NX not having usb, etc.
Please just wait for official announcement and see the official spec to see if they have usb or not before people start to panic. Having an Artificial Paranoia about something that aren't confirmed yet is unnecessary.
Please just wait for official announcement and see the official spec to see if they have usb or not before people start to panic. Having an Artificial Paranoia about something that aren't confirmed yet is unnecessary.
Obliterator
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Now that this is all out in the open I wonder how long before someone leaks a pic of the controller / dev kit. Can't be long now
My Nintendo is going to be used and it's not tied to hardware. You could even access your Miitomo account from any phone or tablet with your account.
Dunno about the other 2 but hope for the best.
But when you buy one game from e-shop, can you download it from another system with the same account?
X1 is not an early chip. The system will be released next spring. Anyone who thinks there will be a significant change to the spec from this point is delusional.
I've got to imagine the official reveal is coming soon, since its launch is just a little over half a year away.
Schnozberry
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In theory, a Pascal Tegra could get you close if it was given a large enough power envelope. It depends on if the system has an expanded TDP when it's plugged into the dock.
Obliterator
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Official reveal is September. I'm just curious if someone will leak the dev kit sooner
GhostTrick
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Yes and no. It depends on Pascal specs. Let's say it's a 512 cuda cores part, able to clock at 1200mhz when potentially docked.
You'd be looking here at 1.2Tflops, by Nvidia standards.You'd be looking at GTX750 level of performance, so beyond XB1 but below PS4.
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