DrROBschiz
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A possibility but not being reported
Also why would Nintendo deliberately confuse the messaging
Why would the source mislead the media in return
Unless this is some misunderstanding of some sort.
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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A possibility but not being reported
Also why would Nintendo deliberately confuse the messaging
Why would the source mislead the media in return
Unless this is some misunderstanding of some sort.
ShockingAlberto
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I am aware of the sources involved and they were different. EG's sources had information Rogers' sources didn't.
I'm still wanting to like this idea, but I'm having a very hard time visualizing just what it's supposed to be like.
A tablet with two separate controller pieces on the side just doesn't make much sense to me, and a tablet with one controller piece would probably look nightmarish. Not to mention all of this is very likely to be bulky and tedious to keep up with (think of all the extra pieces), and the weird design will scare away nearly anyone wanting just a relatively normal gaming experience (even moreso IMO than the Wii U's gamepad design would've).
And didn't Nintendo pin some of their failure with the U on focusing towards making a tablet, anyways? If so, then why would they do it again?
A tablet with two separate controller pieces on the side just doesn't make much sense to me, and a tablet with one controller piece would probably look nightmarish. Not to mention all of this is very likely to be bulky and tedious to keep up with (think of all the extra pieces), and the weird design will scare away nearly anyone wanting just a relatively normal gaming experience (even moreso IMO than the Wii U's gamepad design would've).
And didn't Nintendo pin some of their failure with the U on focusing towards making a tablet, anyways? If so, then why would they do it again?
As i said, i don't think it's gonna be latest tech or cutting edge, but i think they'll use the 16nm FF process as it just cost less, consume less, and perfom better. A X1-similar with said process would literally cost less with slightly better perfomance, or the same with a significant increase (if i remember correctly, the shrink from 20->16 is about 20% in term of power efficiency).
Okami Haundo
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Wait... Why would the handheld need a refresh sooner? The Wii-U has basically been thrown out into a back alley to die. The 3DS has Pokemon coming soon...
Father_Brain
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Oh, I'm not criticizing the accuracy of that phrase, just the people who took a vaguely worded sentence as some kind of smoking gun proving that it was intended to compete with Sony/MS on performance.
That article also seemed to suggest that the handheld and console were separate devices, but I think that's just a matter of Mochizuki's sources back then knowing that it would comprise handheld and console functionality, while being fuzzier on the execution. Nine months later, it's understandable that his sources would be clearer on the specifics.
Are you an editor for a particular website? I can't recall the site that reported the exact same thing - verbatim. But what difference would any of this make? Are they going to ditch the entire Mario Maker line because it is interoperable with a Wii U userbase?
That rationale doesn't make sense, right. While the 3DS hardware feels like a relic now, it's at least still selling software.
Nintendo may be trying to play to where their "strength" is currently (handheld) and attacking their problems from there. If it takes off, it might make their pivot back onto your living room TV easier.
Broken Hope
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Expecting the screen to be trash, Nintendo has never used a high quality screen.
BRocknRolla
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You've all begun making me doubt this... Is this just another "NX prototype controller" fake information leak? I'm really wondering about Eurogamer's source given some of the dissenting going on. I don't see a reason for people to stick to their guns unless they've got real sources. I wouldn't think Eurogamer would just toss out a rumor unless they could corroborate it. Maybe I'm wrong.
Seriously, I just need Nintendo to start talking. Obviously they can handle their PR as they see fit, but in light of their recent financials, I find the silence sort of appalling. Nintendo should be trumpeting their big picture vision for their new console, even if they aren't showing it off yet.
Seriously, I just need Nintendo to start talking. Obviously they can handle their PR as they see fit, but in light of their recent financials, I find the silence sort of appalling. Nintendo should be trumpeting their big picture vision for their new console, even if they aren't showing it off yet.
Just hearing this news today. Very neat idea, and makes sense for Nintendo I think.
A few things occur to me...
I wonder if touch-screen gaming will be part of the handheld experience. I imagine it will. But if you have to put the screen on a dock to use it as a console, how do you control those games in that situation? Maybe it has a sensor bar like the Wii, and you can aim at the screen with the controller parts. An interface like that could simulate touch and multi-touch reasonably well for most basic applications. It wouldn't be sufficient for all games, but it might work well enough for games designed with it in mind.
Will it have Android built in? Or maybe some specialized Nintendo version of Android, kind of like what Amazon is doing with the Fire? If so, then you could take the handles off it and just use it as an awesome tablet with a really nice graphics chip. I think Nintendo would be dumb not to leverage it that way. The machine would instantly have lots of additional appeal.
200 -250 bucks, awesome handheld gaming, very functional TV gaming console, and a cutting edge tablet, all in one package.
A few things occur to me...
I wonder if touch-screen gaming will be part of the handheld experience. I imagine it will. But if you have to put the screen on a dock to use it as a console, how do you control those games in that situation? Maybe it has a sensor bar like the Wii, and you can aim at the screen with the controller parts. An interface like that could simulate touch and multi-touch reasonably well for most basic applications. It wouldn't be sufficient for all games, but it might work well enough for games designed with it in mind.
Will it have Android built in? Or maybe some specialized Nintendo version of Android, kind of like what Amazon is doing with the Fire? If so, then you could take the handles off it and just use it as an awesome tablet with a really nice graphics chip. I think Nintendo would be dumb not to leverage it that way. The machine would instantly have lots of additional appeal.
200 -250 bucks, awesome handheld gaming, very functional TV gaming console, and a cutting edge tablet, all in one package.
Iwata stated several times that it wasn't a hybrid but multiple SKUs.
3DS is older and on a different architecture than everything Nintendo's working with from here on out. Iwata stated that NX would be based on Wii U's software architecture so I'd assume that things like VC's emulation based are founded with Wii U and moving onto NX in the future.
Okami Haundo
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I can definitely see them playing to their strengths here. At the same time, I think their greatest weakness has just been the division between console and handheld development.
I know that we're seeing this as a handheld, but I can't see them marketing this as anything other than a console with handheld-like functionality. Their comments about NX not "replacing" either Wii-U or 3DS make it seem like they consider the NX to exist within its own category.
James Scott
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Not having to make 2 screens would conserve power while reducing costs allowing them to make a nicer screen especially if they don't have to account for 3D too
Portugeezer
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Ancient tech, annoying to use stylus in games that require touch and buttons... I hope they don't use it anymore.
Capacitive screens have gotten a lot better too.
I think that statement was more about them not wanting to declare their existing systems dead (yet). They definitely showed that chart of Wii U and 3DS transitioning to new systems, so it's going to happen.
Broken Hope
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Nintendo are too cheap to use a good screen, even £50 phones have better screens than Nintendo have ever used.
It's will probably the "third pillar" thing they did with DS all over again. If it succeeds, then Nintendo will just keep making hybrids. It becomes the successor to both the gameboy/DS line and the home console line. The streams merge.
If it isn't successful, they can pivot and go back to the old strategy.
Father_Brain
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Sorry, what? WSJ, Kotaku, IGN, and MCV have all independently corroborated the Eurogamer report.
DrROBschiz
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But then the dev kits and messaging being delivered to people working on NX would be explicit
If the recent leak says portable hybrid then thats all we have at the moment until we get a solid source saying there is more to the story
Eurogamer saw fit to run this story as being the only SKU. Not sure what to thin though since all other major outlets are silent or cross reporting on Eurogamers story
Corroborated? Like quoted their OWN sources and not just reporting Eurogamers story?
Im going to have to read their articles and see if thats the case
Sometimes people have good, multiple sources. I believe she has some major sources in NCL. Perhaps she also has some insight into Eurogamer? Eh i just think she definitely knows things.
Hatty
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Resistive is better where it counts. Its the cheapest way to have a stylus and a stylus is great for games like Mario Maker and Etrian Odyssey. I have an iPhone 6S and I would not like to draw a map or design a level on it and I assume that its screen is better than what Nintendo would use.
DrROBschiz
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Found the WSJ corroboration but cant read the article without signing in
Not sure if they have a separate source but it seems like they are indeed backing up the Eurogamer story
Going to check IGN/Kotaku next
Not sure if they have a separate source but it seems like they are indeed backing up the Eurogamer story
Going to check IGN/Kotaku next
Okami Haundo
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I'm not saying that the NX won't replace the Wii-U and 3DS, just that I don't think it will be marketed as their replacement. If NX really does bridge the gap between handheld and console like the rumors suggest, it could replace both systems with one unified unit.
It is interesting to go back and look at that chart though. Their wording is "Dedicated game system "NX"". This is just me speculating wildly, but if we take that wording literally it seems to rule out the idea of more than one "NX" unit. Fuel for the fire? Illuminati? It all makes sense now.
How? Literally no one has good sources at NCL if we look at game media publications respectively. Most leaks usually come from third parties with dev kits. Maybe someone knows a marketing guy or translator at NOA / NOE and some kinds of things can be leaked - but from NCL? No way. Especially not Emily Rogers. It's just not logical.
DrROBschiz
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Dude
IGN story is literally just reporting on the Eurogamer story
They make ZERO mention of contacting their own industry sources in the article to corroborate the information and validate it
There has YET to be a second publication to independently add to the conversation at the moment in my eyes
Not saying Eurogamer's didnt get the scoop... Im just surprised it didnt create a ripple effect with a couple of fresh details from other sources
FROM KOTAKU
Unlike many previous NX rumours, this Eurogamer report has weight. Although Kotaku has not yet been able to confirm the details with our own sources, we’ve heard similar rumours and have seen some secondhand corroboration on specifics including the NX’s portability and use of cartridges.
So yeah ZERO corroboration
IGN story is literally just reporting on the Eurogamer story
They make ZERO mention of contacting their own industry sources in the article to corroborate the information and validate it
There has YET to be a second publication to independently add to the conversation at the moment in my eyes
Not saying Eurogamer's didnt get the scoop... Im just surprised it didnt create a ripple effect with a couple of fresh details from other sources
FROM KOTAKU
Unlike many previous NX rumours, this Eurogamer report has weight. Although Kotaku has not yet been able to confirm the details with our own sources, we’ve heard similar rumours and have seen some secondhand corroboration on specifics including the NX’s portability and use of cartridges.
So yeah ZERO corroboration
OrbitalBeard
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The more I dwell on this, the more worried I become. It's a cool concept on paper, but one that seems so easy to screw up. In the quest to launch NX at a mass-market price, I can see Nintendo cutting a lot of corners. Even though this should easily be able to outperform Wii U, the insistence on strong battery life and ultra-low power consumption makes me think it's not going to perform as well as many of us would like. I also don't believe the base station is going to be used in a way that enhances the system's capabilities. Nintendo likely isn't going to add anything that increases the mass-market price they're aiming for. And even with years to prepare a great first-year lineup, delays are still a harsh reality of this business and I can see a bunch of titles meant for the launch window being pushed back. The early software selection is going to make or break this device.
Uggh, I'm starting to have doubts.
Uggh, I'm starting to have doubts.
littlebigman
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So it's basically a roided-up PS Vita. I'm skeptical, but interested.
Capacitive is older than resistive.
I'm fact, I'm pretty sure that the first touchscreen I've used (late 80s?) was capacitive.
The only reason that people think capacitive is newer is that old PDAs used resistive because it was intended for a stylus), then iPhones switched to capacitive for finger interaction.
As far as the choice go...
I prefer resistive over cpacitive, in the case of a console like 3DS. I think I prefer IR barrier to both, though.
Okami Haundo
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That's what has surprised me most about this "leak" so to say. The most evidence I've seen to back up the Eurogamer scoop is Kotaku saying that the information matches things they've heard. I'm of two minds about it honestly. The lack of secondary sources should scream fake, but too many outlets have latched onto this story. I don't think that every major gaming site would post this story if they didn't have some affirmation that the original article has some truth to it.
I think its far more than,that. Maybe the difference between Vita and this will be the difference betweem Xb360 and ps4? From all I've read.
Is anyone credibly claiming a two or more SKU model at this point?
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Hopefully it chargers through micro usb.
DrROBschiz
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Credibly?
The Eurogamer report is the only semi credible thing we possible have outside of the small tidbits of official Nintendo commentary on what the NX is
I think we're talking 27gigaflops (but i read somewhere 50 for the gpu) for the Vita versus more or less 500 gigaflops for the NX.
All we have is Eurogamer posting about one thing that may or may not be completely true, or even incomplete. It's very possible that everything they've said is true and that's what everyone knows in preparation for the supposed September announcement. The thing is they're the only source and no one else is talking at all. This is the only information we have, and if we follow what Iwata stated along with the Eurogamer story, it still makes sense if two SKUs do actually exist. We just know about one for now.
The problem is no one's saying anything other than what Eurogamer reported. That's literally the only reliable report on NX out there for now.
protomouse
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Can't really visualize that, but it sounds like something I'd want.
DrROBschiz
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Missed that Tidbit form IGN
Ok so we have one confirmed corroboration and a soft "there are rumors" from Kotaku
Man... thats a shame there isn't.... more
Nah, it really does look just like a roided-up Vita, with a TV Out option (looks like a docking situation instead of a hdmi port)
Looks like a fantastic new handheld, but as a console this looks terribly underwhelming. Having what pretty much amounts to WiiU graphics on the go is nice, but if it cant even hit xbone perf levels in 2017... sheesh
No way, Type C or bust.
ShockingAlberto
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Important notes about sources and stories:
Sometimes people who have had good sources in the past get bad tips, sometimes sources are wrong, sometimes sources lie, or are fed misinformation to be rooted out.
Sometimes people who have had good sources in the past get bad tips, sometimes sources are wrong, sometimes sources lie, or are fed misinformation to be rooted out.
Verified posters on here have since come out and confirmed this matches what they know/have heard which is good enough for me to at least believe the general jist of things. Some aspects might change and some aspects might be misinterpreted right now.
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Would you class a Vita 2 as a roided up Vita because this is generally around the level a new Sony handheld would be hitting.
Wasn't their a patent with a console and a cartridge from Nintendo? Like a few months ago.
dcx4610
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Nintendo has said that the NX is a new way to play and isn't intended to replace the Wii U or the 3DS. They might be just saying that not to cannibalize sales but it sounds like it will be like Apple selling a phone but still selling laptops.
I think NX will be cheap and will get Wii U ports and vise versa and 3 years from now, Nintendo will release their new console. NX is just a hold over and experiment.
I think NX will be cheap and will get Wii U ports and vise versa and 3 years from now, Nintendo will release their new console. NX is just a hold over and experiment.
I don't think so. The industry is already moving towards and iterative hardware cycle (think iPhone 3-4-5) and Nintendo seems to be thinking the same thing with their SCD patent.
But I also believe Nintendo can and probably is releasing a console derivative of this.
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