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[B-B-Bomba!]

Going back to watch the opening of Episode IV now, Vader's anger in saying 'tear this ship apart' etc. seems totally justified. Great stuff.



This scene though... LOL. They've literally just chased this ship halfway across the galaxy with the knowledge the plans are onboard, and the Imperial officer refuses to shoot an escape pod because it 'likely short-circuited'. It was dumb to begin with and now I can't help but laugh in disbelief.

This bothers me more every time I rewatch the film, but ... Especially Ep4, these films are riddled with quite flimsy and arbitrary devices that don't bear scrutiny.

But much like someone said yesterday regarding the Christmas special, not only do you have to see it as a product of its time, but you also have to remember, they didn't really at the time have an idea of what they were making; of how much scrutiny the work would have to bear.

"Not ready for the burden were you."

From that point of view you start more to appreciate how incredibly robust many many elements - locations, mythology, technology etc, actually are.

 

[Jibbed]

This bothers me more every time I rewatch the film, but ... Especially Ep4, these films are riddled with quite flimsy and arbitrary devices that don't bear scrutiny.

But much like someone said yesterday regarding the Christmas special, not only do you have to see it as a product of its time, but you also have to remember, they didn't really at the time have an idea of what they were making; of how much scrutiny the work would have to bear.

"Not ready for the burden were you."

From that point of view you start more to appreciate how incredibly robust many many elements - locations, mythology, technology etc, actually are.

Yeah. I mean, for Rogue One to retroactively increase my enjoyment of IV and look at the film in a different way... that's an achievement in itself.

It's crazy how far the franchise has come, and I'm loving all the connections between the films, books, comics, animated shows etc. It's very clear they have a plan and they're taking their time to do it right.

 

[Sesuadra]

Going back to watch the opening of Episode IV now, Vader's anger in saying 'tear this ship apart' etc. seems totally justified. Great stuff.



This scene though... LOL. They've literally just chased this ship halfway across the galaxy with the knowledge the plans are onboard, and the Imperial officer refuses to shoot an escape pod because it 'likely short-circuited'. It was dumb to begin with and now I can't help but laugh in disbelief.

after working in german bureaucracy I could totally see this happening IRL tho... But yes, I get what you mean !

 

[MMarston]

I forgot that we need to add the scene with Padme giving birth to the twins when Leia claims on Endor to remember her mother.

I guess one way to fix this little problem is that she thinks her adopted mother was still her real mother, and that her remark of said mother being "very sad" implies that Mrs. Organa knew about the truth.

Of course, this is all for naught if Mrs. Organa is mentioned in Rogue One or is still kicking in the comics considering Leia explicitly says she died when she was little.

Last resort I can think of is that Padme somehow force ghosted into Leia's childhood.

 

[Sr Kitsune]

Just watched Rogue One.

Damn. Such a good movie.

Go and watch it now.

Such powerful speeches.

11/10

 

[Sanctuary]

These watching orders make less and less sense as we move forward

I agree, although it's very jarring watching them in chronological order instead of release date due to the changes (not always for the better) in special effects. The best way to view them is to simply start with A New Hope and forget about the prequels. There's literally nothing redeeming about them aside from maybe a single ten minute sequence in each. And the ending of Revenge of the Sith fucking ruined the ending of the Blu-ray version of Return of the Jedi. Fuck that Nooooooooooooooooooooooise. Lucas literally drained all gravitas from it for not goddamn reason other than "Haha, fuck you fans, I can do what I want!".

Anyway, for those that actually haven't ever heard about this, or simply haven't seen it yet, here's the remastered version of A New Hope (Empire Strikes Back as well, but he's currently working on version 2.5), without the special edition crap added (while some improvements were made by Lucas, they were not worth the trade offs). This is no mere generic fan edit either. It's pretty fucking spectacular, and you won't find a better version unless Disney officially rereleases the original theatrical cuts on Blu-ray.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Ha...alized-Edition-HD-V25-MKV-IS-OUT-NOW/id/12713

 

[teeny]

I really really hope we get the original cuts of the original trilogy on bluray one day.

I reckon they will "remake" them in Clone Wars/Rebels style before that, though.

 

[B-B-Bomba!]

after working in german bureaucracy I could totally see this happening IRL tho... But yes, I get what you mean !

Lol. They could have shot those escape pods, but think of the paperwork.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Lol. They could have shot those escape pods, but think of the paperwork.

Spacelaser are very expensive and you dont want to explain how you went over Budget to your Boss who has anger issues and could force choke you.

 

[Jibbed]

Lol. They could have shot those escape pods, but think of the paperwork.

Spoiler

Tarkin didn't seem to have a problem with blowing the absolute shit out of Krennic.

Spoiler

Some minor workplace implications there.

Edit: Tagged all of my post.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Spoilertags, please....

 

[GAMEPROFF]

The most important part of your post is still without a tag.
Put that

Spoiler

Tarkin

shit in it. smh.

 

[Jibbed]

The most important part of your post is still without a tag.
Put that

Spoiler

Tarkin

shit in it. smh.

Spoiler

Tarkin being in the film is a spoiler?

Really?

 

[B-B-Bomba!]

Really?

I'm not surprised, but it's not something I knew either, so ...

I really fucking hate and can be quite militant about spoilers. To a fault, probably. I preach caution, discretion etc etc. Everyone has different standards, and levels of information, but just play it safe safe safe

 

[BrassDragon]

I was very impressed by this. Having kept myself free of spoilers, I was very surprised by the darker tone and the emphasis on tragic heroics. All the emotional beats hit perfectly. The CGI characters didn't bother me at all,

Spoiler

Grand Moff Tarkin

in particular looked great to me.

The music didn't click with me even though I usually like Michael Giacchino. I appreciate that he was trying to bridge the generally impressionistic old school John Williams of Episode IV with the more operatic later scores but none of his leitmotivs or themes resonated with me. All the best musical moments seem to reference Binary Sunset/Force Theme or the Imperial March. But the orchestration and arrangements mesh well with Episode IV so it's not really a problem, just more of a missed opportunity. I feel the score should have taken the militaristic elements of the Williams themes and build on them for a true war movie feel. Instead, it's just serviceable.

I also feel a lot of backstory and character detail was left on the cutting room floor, most noticeably with Forest Whitaker's character. The editing in general wasn't as tight as we're used to with Star Wars movies and the barrage of opening scenes hopping between planetary locations and flashbacks felt very amateurish. The location title cards really didn't help, just drew more attention to the problem.

Enough with the criticisms because holy shit, once the narrative gets going it's all dramatic/humorous pay-off and great action set-pieces. The third act action sequence is perfect and IMHO better than the climax of The Force Awakens. The fact that there are actual casualties helps to raise the stakes.

What a great addition to the Star Wars canon - I'm glad it's a one-off and not part of some spin-off franchise. I suspect this one will age well and be more appreciated as time goes on.

It's a good time to be a fan, gentlebeings.

 

[B-B-Bomba!]

Broken tag

Fix your shit!

Edit: nice imps though, thank you

Edit: and thanks for the fix

 

[mrkgoo]

Going back to watch the opening of Episode IV now, Vader's anger in saying 'tear this ship apart' etc. seems totally justified. Great stuff.



This scene though... LOL. They've literally just chased this ship halfway across the galaxy with the knowledge the plans are onboard, and the Imperial officer refuses to shoot an escape pod because it 'likely short-circuited'. It was dumb to begin with and now I can't help but laugh in disbelief.

To be fair, the assumption later was that the plans were on board. Do you want to be the one to destroy the escape pod and answer to Vader when he wants to know if it had the plans on it or not, and you don't know?

 

[Boss Doggie]

While TFA gave me some smile but still feels like it is aping ANH, Rogue One is a huge, massive improvement and I really loved it. Great characters, action that never pulls you out, a clear plot, the way it swerves into ANH... it's so perfect. Jennah is so much a better main character than Rey.

Also I don't get some posts here, the movie I watched had

Spoiler

the storm trooper scene

 

[ZackieChan]

Yeah, I heard the movie handles fan service really well and doesn't come across overbearing.

There's a couple extremely short, slightly cringey fanservice moments, but not enough to affect my opinion in the slightest. Excellent film. Seeing it again in a few hours 😎

 

[BrassDragon]

There's a couple extremely short, slightly cringey fanservice moments, but not enough to affect my opinion in the slightest. Excellent film. Seeing it again in a few hours 😎

The only fanservice moment that made me groan was Jyn bumping into

Spoiler

Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan

using the exact same lines from IV just to hammer us over the head with the reference. Everything else worked just fine.

 

[Boss Doggie]

There's a couple extremely short, slightly cringey fanservice moments, but not enough to affect my opinion in the slightest. Excellent film. Seeing it again in a few hours 😎

I take it the

Spoiler

R2D2 C3PO

scene right? What else?

 

[ubique]

So can this really be enjoyed by someone that's never seen any other Star Wars movie before? Asking for a friend (really)

 

[Jibbed]

So can this really be enjoyed by someone that's never seen any other Star Wars movie before? Asking for a friend (really)

They'll be wondering what the fuck is going on for the first hour or so, then it really doesn't matter because explosions and spaceships.

 

[mrkgoo]

They'll be wondering what the fuck is going on for the first hour or so, then it really doesn't matter because explosions and spaceships.

Lol, couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Fliesen]

So can this really be enjoyed by someone that's never seen any other Star Wars movie before? Asking for a friend (really)

i think it can, but many of the nods and winks will go lost on them.

Spoiler

After the movie was over, a friend of mine asked me whether or not that Tarkin guy was in ANH

Also, without having seen ANH, i feel like the ending would fall kinda flat. So many sacrifices just for this one tiny ship to 'get away'.
The "payoff" to Rogue One is what happens in A New Hope. I'm not sure how i would feel about it without having seen Episode IV at all.

edit: fuck i am so sorry for that untagged spoiler, i keep hopping between the SPOILER and impressions threads. (because i feel many who haven't seen it value the impressions of those who don't) ...

 

[ZackieChan]

The only fanservice moment that made me groan was Jyn bumping into

Spoiler

Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan

using the exact same lines from IV just to hammer us over the head with the reference. Everything else worked just fine.

I take it the

Spoiler

R2D2 C3PO

scene right? What else?

What Boss Doggie said. Didn't have a problem with the other one. I feel like there were more, but I forget. Seeing it again, so I'll be on the lookout.

i think it can, but many of the nods and winks will go lost on them.

After the movie was over, a friend of mine asked me whether or not

Spoiler

that Tarkin guy

was in ANH

Also, without having seen ANH, i feel like the ending would fall kinda flat. So many sacrifices just for this one tiny ship to 'get away'.
The "payoff" to Rogue One is what happens in A New Hope. I'm not sure how i would feel about it without having seen Episode IV at all.

Why would someone see this without seeing Episode 4? If they do, that's their problem, not the film's.

 

[Fliesen]

Why would someone see this without seeing Episode 4? If they do, that's their problem, not the film's.

In case you missed it, i answered the (quoted) question whether or not the movie can be enjoyed by someone who never watched a Star Wars movie.

And the issues that this creates are in no way the film's problems. - never implied they were.

 

[Branduil]

Watch the movies in release order. Skip the PT.

 

[ubique]

Watch the movies in release order. Skip the PT.

I mean yeah but I was just curious if the movie showed narrative integrity by itself or if it heavily relied on pre-existing knowledge of the franchise for it to make sense, since it's the first time that it's not an "Episode"

 

[ZackieChan]

In case you missed it, i answered the (quoted) question whether or not the movie can be enjoyed by someone who never watched a Star Wars movie.

And the issues that this creates are in no way the film's problems. - never implied they were.

I did miss it 😉 Sorry bro

 

[Denzar]

Saw it yesterday.... I uh, I don't know. Mixed feelings.

I missed a sense of urgency and suspense and an investment in the main characters (even though I did really like K-2SO). Ben Mendelsohn's potential was wasted on a forgettable villain. Even for a Star Wars movie, there were too many hollywood-y moments of convenience and immortality. I found the

Spoiler

CGI

cameo's by

Spoiler

Tarkin and Leia

to be balls deep into the uncanny valley, which took me out of the experience.

All in all, I did have a blast though. The action and effects (both special and practical ) were top notch, except for the aforementioned stuff.

I fell madly in love with Felicity Jones btw. What a gorgeous woman. My god.

 

[ReadingRambo]

Pretty huge untagged character spoiler on this page. Some of you are hopeless.

 

[Fliesen]

I did miss it �� Sorry bro

Sorry, i can't forgive, let alone forget...

Spoiler

<3

Pretty huge untagged character spoiler on this page. Some of you are hopeless.

awww fuck, i'm really really sorry

 

[strafer]

Question about a character;

Spoiler

Does Donnie Yen die? early or late?

 

[Fliesen]

Question about a character;

Spoiler

Does Donnie Yen die? early or late?

Spoiler

late

 

[ZackieChan]

Sorry, i can't forgive, let alone forget...

Spoiler

<3

awww fuck, i'm really really sorry

What goes around comes around, you filthy spoiling animal

 

[CS_Dan]

I don't think I'll want to watch A New Hope again without it immediately following Rogue One

 

[Cappa]

How is the 3D for this movie, has anyone seen it in 3d?

 

[Boss Doggie]

I really don't get what the impressions say about cut stuff from the trailer, since I thought all of them were in the film.

 

[Osahi]

How is the 3D for this movie, has anyone seen it in 3d?

First half you hardly notice it. Spacebattle is awesome

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

I mostly liked it except from:

- The CGI characters, the uncanny valley really takes me out of the movie.
- The score. I usually find Giachinno to fall below expectations and this was not an exception.

I also have to admit that I dozed of for 10-15 minutes due to it being a midnight screening and I having sleep issues for the past few days. It was hilarious since you had people all dressed up and hyped, and some of them must have freaked out seeing me dozing off in a STAR WARS PREMIERE :-D

 

[Fliesen]

I really don't get what the impressions say about cut stuff from the trailer, since I thought all of them were in the film.

well, then you haven't been paying all that much attention, really (either to the trailers, or the movie). Many 'iconic' shots from the trailer, but also many 'cringy' lines of dialogue were not part of the actual movie.

 

[EBreda]

How is the 3D for this movie, has anyone seen it in 3d?

Hated it on dialogues. One of the characters is always so out of focus to "enhance" 3d that you only get to see a blur. So distracting.

 

[The Elite]

True and not true. Most of what whitta wrote was probably scrapped.

There is enough there that he got a story credit. I'm not sure how much of the original story needs to be scrapped to lose that though.

 

[SuperEpicMan]

well, then you haven't been paying all that much attention, really (either to the trailers, or the movie). Many 'iconic' shots from the trailer, but also many 'cringy' lines of dialogue were not part of the actual movie.

I'm a little relieved to hear this. I think the trailers seemed to have way to many lines which were like dialogue versions of "money shots". It made the dialogue overall feel a bit wonky.

 

[Madrugador]

I didn't like it, I was expecting way more.

I thought they did very little with the universe besides the obvious conection with

Spoiler

A New Hope

. Characters weren't that great either IMO.

It's not bad, just disappointing. I liked Episode VII way more.

 

[Vanillalite]

I'm still hype. Got reserved seats for Saturday vs going opening night like VII.

Switched so the boy child could bring a couple friends as the wife said he could as a Xmas break treat. They get out for break on Friday.

 

[Fliesen]

I'm a little relieved to hear this. I think the trailers seemed to have way to many lines which were like dialogue versions of "money shots". It made the dialogue overall feel a bit wonky.

Jyn's whole motivational / rallying speech is still a bit cringy / forced, but the

Spoiler

"I rebel" line

isn't even in the film, iirc.

 

[MrChom]

I loved Episode 7, I didn't realise that Rogue One is the movie I wanted instead.

It was brilliant. It hit a perfect tone for the events that transpired, did about the right amount with the history of the universe, and brought the soundtrack much more to the fore than Ep7 did.

Spoiler

Tarkin and Leia were odd, but I'm okay with that, I think we're not far from the time where Young Han Solo could be done from some pictures of Harrison Ford and not an actor maybe. Nice to see some ANH Squadron leaders return too.

Vader looked nothing short of the universe breaking badass but something was off about his costume and I can't put my finger on it.

These are minor niggles, though. I loved the film, and the ending perfectly explains why we've never seen these people before.

 

[Lebron]

I didn't like it, I was expecting way more.



It's not bad, just disappointing. I liked Episode VII way more.

I loved Episode 7, I didn't realise that Rogue One is the movie I wanted instead.

It was brilliant. It hit a perfect tone for the events that transpired, did about the right amount with the history of the universe, and brought the soundtrack much more to the fore than Ep7 did.

This is going to be that movie

Just a few more hours...