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[Paracelsus]

The first picture below is from Shadow of the Tomb Raider and if she isn’t sexy to you then I question if you know what sexy is. The problem I feel people have with depictions like this is that they’re too realistic, they don’t play into people’s fantasies. Lara (in the picture below) looks just like the rock climbing chick you saw at Whole Foods who declined when you asked for her number. She reminds a lot of gamers of what they can’t get in the real world they are trying to escape which is why they want as much exposed tits and ass as possible. If this applies to you that’s fine but don’t try to mask your argument using the word sexy.

This is realistic sexy...if you’re ever lucky enough to have sex the woman is gonna look like this:


This is fantasy and doesn’t look anything like a real woman:

You have a very bottom of the barrel definition of sexy. Her face was great in TR2013 as well as her body. Now she's a bland face with a fridge body with barely any tits, buggy-whip arms, no hips, no arse and man legs. If you're into that sort of "butch" thing more power to you. She ain't sexy. And no, you're also 100% wrong on the reasoning around sexy either. People don't want mediocre characters in their games because they can already get plenty in real life.
I won't watch a hollywood blockbuster featuring an ugly woman front and center because "larger than life" plays a big factor in entertainment, and ugly takes you out of the movie. Before you ask, goes for men too. I cringed every time I had to play as Trevor in GTAV for the same reason.

 

[JORMBO]

Just watching his stream and he starts talking about this thread around the 52:30 mark

Everything he says just feels like it should be common sense, but I am sure there are a lot of places that will find it “controversial” for some dumb reason.

 

[cm osi]

american devs can't do anything anymore about fanservice (some kind of fanservice) because they'll enrage the purple hair people.

 

[Labolas]

Thank you for making this.

100% agree. Really tired of toning down sexy female characters in games.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Anyone remember Loadout?

kind of NSFW (no nudity)

Spoiler: realistic western fanservice

Who needs 2Butt when he can have Helga?

I am actually really surprised that there hasn't been another Helga, yet. Prolly because no one wants to see that in their games.

 

[petran79]

People are way more complicate than we give credit for.

To them players have no free will and agency of their own. They seriously think that by doing this they reduce the number of potential rapists, shooters and pedophiles. It is their core belief

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Lara (in the picture below) looks just like the rock climbing chick you saw at Whole Foods who declined when you asked for her number.

The one that rear ended me with her hybrid because she was playing on her iPhone instead paying attention to her driving? I got her number from the incident report.

This is realistic sexy...if you’re ever lucky enough to have sex the woman is gonna look like this:

What are you talking about? I have sex all the time. I’m having sex right now.

 

[Doczu]

To the people hoping that they can change Skarlet outfit to her classic sexy outfit, i have bad and good news for you.

The bad news is that all her other outfits are the same as her default bad outfit with different colors and some minor changes.

The good news is.... you can choose to put her in a burqa or a hijab or a burqa and a hijab at the same time.

No im not kidding.

Man, why does Skarlet look like a Me Andromeda reject? The face at 0:06 looks hideous.
Christ, even my wife who just plays MK for fun said her design looks plain and ugly.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Don’t be so disgusted with the far left and its outrage culture that you cannot see the nuance in the discussion. Having games where everyone has full body armor but the one female character’s armor has a cutout to show her cleavage is immature and ruins the immersion for me. Since everyone is also mentioning Lara Croft, I think the new design is infinitely more sexy than previous versions. My all time favorite was the Lara from the Tomb Raider reboot she was like a first year Rachel Ray level of sexy and this new one is still sexy as well but she’s dirty and fucking raiding tombs so of course she isn’t gonna always look cute. But that model cleaned up in a dress with those curves would be ultra sexy but the game is about her exploring not about her being dolled up...hence her looking a hot mess sometimes. Sexy does not mean lewd or skimpy...be real and just admit that your aim is not for sexy women in games, it’s for underdressed women.

What about the many female gamers who love those "underdressed" woman? The sexy clothing? What about the cosplayers such as:

Who enjoy creating and dressing up in these "underdressed" characters? Sexy does not mean butch or super realistic...be real and just admit that your aim is not for sexy women in games, it’s for prudish women.

 

[KOMANI]

The first picture below is from Shadow of the Tomb Raider and if she isn’t sexy to you then I question if you know what sexy is. The problem I feel people have with depictions like this is that they’re too realistic, they don’t play into people’s fantasies. Lara (in the picture below) looks just like the rock climbing chick you saw at Whole Foods who declined when you asked for her number. She reminds a lot of gamers of what they can’t get in the real world they are trying to escape which is why they want as much exposed tits and ass as possible. If this applies to you that’s fine but don’t try to mask your argument using the word sexy.

This is realistic sexy...if you’re ever lucky enough to have sex the woman is gonna look like this:

This is fantasy and doesn’t look anything like a real woman:

That doesn’t look sexy to me. She looks frompy there. Maybe it’s the picture. Maybe it’s just taste. I think Chloe from Uncharted is sexier than the examples you provided. To each their own. Personality plays a big part too.

Edit: whooaaa, what’s up with that insult at the end? Relax, it’s a discussion.

 

[cm osi]

What about the many female gamers who love those "underdressed" woman? The sexy clothing? What about the cosplayers such as:

Who enjoy creating and dressing up in these "underdressed" characters? Sexy does not mean butch or super realistic...be real and just admit that your aim is not for sexy women in games, it’s for prudish women.

oh that's easy, i saw their counter argument for that countless time. They'll answer with the agency argument.:"Videogames characters can't choose to wear those outfit". goddamit it's so fucking dumb

 

[RedVIper]

oh that's easy, i saw their counter argument for that countless time. They'll answer with the agency argument.:"Videogames characters can't choose to wear those outfit". goddamit it's so fucking dumb

They can't choose to wear non-skimpy outfits either so it's a moronic argument.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Well, an NPC would think a video game character has agency wouldn't they?

 

[Javthusiast]

These characters are not real, they are what the artists make them to be. Same as those half naked pop singers and rappers can decide to sell their bodies with sexappeal, people making games should be allowed to express themselves freely too.

 

[Senhua]

Don’t be so disgusted with the far left and its outrage culture that you cannot see the nuance in the discussion. Having games where everyone has full body armor but the one female character’s armor has a cutout to show her cleavage is immature and ruins the immersion for me. Since everyone is also mentioning Lara Croft, I think the new design is infinitely more sexy than previous versions. My all time favorite was the Lara from the Tomb Raider reboot she was like a first year Rachel Ray level of sexy and this new one is still sexy as well but she’s dirty and fucking raiding tombs so of course she isn’t gonna always look cute. But that model cleaned up in a dress with those curves would be ultra sexy but the game is about her exploring not about her being dolled up...hence her looking a hot mess sometimes. Sexy does not mean lewd or skimpy...be real and just admit that your aim is not for sexy women in games, it’s for underdressed women.

The first picture below is from Shadow of the Tomb Raider and if she isn’t sexy to you then I question if you know what sexy is. The problem I feel people have with depictions like this is that they’re too realistic, they don’t play into people’s fantasies. Lara (in the picture below) looks just like the rock climbing chick you saw at Whole Foods who declined when you asked for her number. She reminds a lot of gamers of what they can’t get in the real world they are trying to escape which is why they want as much exposed tits and ass as possible. If this applies to you that’s fine but don’t try to mask your argument using the word sexy.

This is realistic sexy...if you’re ever lucky enough to have sex the woman is gonna look like this:

This is fantasy and doesn’t look anything like a real woman:

Holy Shit.

 

[Deuterion]

That doesn’t look sexy to me. She looks frompy there. Maybe it’s the picture. Maybe it’s just taste. I think Chloe from Uncharted is sexier than the examples you provided. To each their own. Personality plays a big part too.

Edit: whooaaa, what’s up with that insult at the end? Relax, it’s a discussion.

Yes she is very sexy!

 

[Doctorhales92]

I'm a straight male and i prefer this direction gaming industry is taking. Why would i wanna see a bikini claden women? i can appreciate female beauty clothed too. All it does is drain my energy and get me excited in a negative way if you get my drift. Personally too much sexuality numbs me anyway so women become less attractive to me.

I mean these feminists have a point too, it's somewhat objectifying, with me overly focusing on the wrong things or tying this character's image much less on character type but more on her sexual organs. If she is fully clothed it would cause me think more of her personality, or cultural background developers have assigned to her. I'm sure there's a number of gents here that are on no fap too. So that's a bonus.

 

[Paracelsus]

I'm a straight male and i prefer this direction gaming industry is taking. Why would i wanna see a bikini claden women? i can appreciate female beauty clothed too. All it does is drain my energy and get me excited in a negative way if you get my drift. Personally too much sexuality numbs me anyway so women become less attractive to me.

I mean these feminists have a point too, it's somewhat objectifying, with me overly focusing on the wrong things or tying this character's image much less on character type but more on her sexual organs. If she is fully clothed it would cause me think more of her personality, or cultural background developers have assigned to her. I'm sure there's a number of gents here that are on no fap too. So that's a bonus.

Yeah, too bad your post says nothing at all. They're not just covering women, they're handpicking bad bodies and ugly faces, all while men are still perfect.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Why would i wanna see a bikini claden women?

Because it is normal?

Perhaps a better question is, why wouldn’t you? Because you are gay. Because you were raised with a strict upbringing. Because you are posturing to feed your sense of superority ior to make yourself seem attractive to a specific subset of women. Because you are afraid that getting an erection will cause you to become a rapist. Because you are a premature ejaculator and even the slightest amount of visual stimulation causes you the cream your pants like a virgin at an underground sex club. Because you were raped by an abusive woman, possibly your mom or a Japanese school girl, and the sight of women causes you to revisit your trauma, sending you into a comatose state of shock or possibly regress back to a childlike state of innocence. There’s lots of reasons to not want to see a girl in a bikini, most of them bad. Which one are you?

All it does is drain my energy and get me excited in a negative way if you get my drift.

I really don’t.

I mean these feminists have a point too, it's somewhat objectifying, with me overly focusing on the wrong things or tying this character's image much less on character type but more on her sexual organs. If she is fully clothed it would cause me think more of her personality, or cultural background developers have assigned to her. I'm sure there's a number of gents here that are on no fap too. So that's a bonus.

Ok, so posturing then.

As someone who has been in a healthy, adult relationship with the same woman for 25 years, I see bullshit like the above and I REALLY don’t think you have a very healthy attitude towards sex or women. It’s your life to live, but I don’t think you are going to get the things from this attitude that you think you deserve because of it.

 

[nikolino840]

Becouse in Real Life no man would like to see the wife going to work like videogames fantasies...
What's about a teacher Who teach Kids with seethrough clothes or a big clavage?

What's matter the clothes if it's not related to the videogame lore?
Why a woman cop in a videogame should wear High heels for example?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Becouse in Real Life no man would like to see the wife going to work like videogames fantasies...
What's about a teacher Who teach Kids with seethrough clothes or a big clavage?

What's matter the clothes if it's not related to the videogame lore?
Why a woman cop in a videogame should wear High heels for example?

Because it's fantasy and not real life?



They don't go around IRL in gigantic robotic armor suits blasting society or monsters either, lol.

Well maybe in Japan they do.

 

[KOMANI]

there’s nothing wrong with characters in skimpy clothing. There should be an outlet for that. Everyone has different tastes, you shouldn’t exclude something just because someone doesn’t like it. Fortunately, or unfortunately, you’re not going to get what you’re looking for in western games OP. It’ll be too much of an uproar, even if there’s an audience for it.
And even though I am a fan of classic Black Cat, you won’t see that outfit in an insomniac game, but you might find it in a Rocksteady game.

 

[General Lee]

I think for the foreseeable future you can kiss goodbye to any straightforward sexual fanservice in western AAA's, and likely the bigger Japanese titles that target the western market will at least tone it down if not censoring it altogether. Personally I enjoy sexy outfits as an option, but it's pretty clear that any optional alternative would still seen as objectifying a character and so unacceptable to have one available in any form. It'll be up to modders, sfm makers and the indie market to cater to this niche. AAA's are going to be ever increasingly bland in an attempt to please the widest crowd possible and avoid outrage, but more often than not this leads to pleasing no one, so they fail financially due to their blandness. Removing titillating outfit options from games won't suddenly bring a 50% female audience to any game, but it will make it less appealing for men (and women) that do like a bit of sex appeal in their games. Ultimately it's money that will do the talking, and making design decisions based on social media outrage is not a tenable long term strategy. It's unfortunate that western AAA's have bought into thinking they'll get more sales by denouncing what and who made their products popular in the first place. The increasingly "realistic" western AAA market is also increasingly devoid of appeal, sexual or otherwise.

 

[lock2k]

Why would i wanna see a bikini claden women

Because it's awesome. Just got back from the pool and I never get tired of the view.

 

[Doctorhales92]

Because it is normal?

Perhaps a better question is, why wouldn’t you? Because you are gay. Because you were raised with a strict upbringing. Because you are posturing to feed your sense of superority ior to make yourself seem attractive to a specific subset of women. Because you are afraid that getting an erection will cause you to become a rapist. Because you are a premature ejaculator and even the slightest amount of visual stimulation causes you the cream your pants like a virgin at an underground sex club. Because you were raped by an abusive woman, possibly your mom or a Japanese school girl, and the sight of women causes you to revisit your trauma, sending you into a comatose state of shock or possibly regress back to a childlike state of innocence. There’s lots of reasons to not want to see a girl in a bikini, most of them bad. Which one are you?</quote>
Becoming a rapist? raped by abusive woman? if it exists i nominate you for passive aggressive of the week.
What is wrong with seeing too many bikini clad women? how about undesired arousal or lust which is usually physically and mentally taxing causing you to crave some kind of release. I dont know if your desensitized to this shit or you re just an old man who no longer has same sex drive. But too much sexuality virtually/in front the screen is a real issue among today's men (a 1/3 of young men watch porn). Which causes sexual desensitization to normal sexual stimulation and change in sexual wiring which causes them to look for harder stimuli which isnt part of their inborn sexual tastes.

But for the average person with a healthy sexual life is feelings of lust (too much sexuality) a bad or a good thing? Entirely situational. But personally i dont want excessive sexuality to be shoehorned if im playing a video game. If im playing mortal kombat do i want to be getting aroused be semi naked or be enjoying the lore or developing strategies to beat opponent. It's unintended and undesired for me.
If i want to see semi naked chicks ill go on instagram.
It's also cool of you to just dismiss the whole objectifying part as "posturing".

 

[joe_zazen]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Seems like Western developers are afraid to deviate from grounded, safe and realism because someone might be “offended”. Sure, they can create the designs they want, but for me it just gets monotonous and predictable. Just find one western female design in the last two decades that has a better hybrid of coolness, imagination and feminity than Nier’s 2B, Arnice from Nights of Azure, Kat from Gravity Rush or Lightning and Jihl Nabaat from Final Fantasy 13 to name a few.

I’ve mentioned it a few times, but big companies have sensitivity vetters now in order to prevent backlash. This isnt a dev thing, and it isnt restricted to games. Novels, movies, misic, it all goes through one more pair of hands before being sold to the unwashed. So yeah, bland and samey and corporate.

 

[autoduelist]

Sjw bullshit is even worse than the religious right of the 80s and 90s. The religious right got a small foothold due to the republican's need to expand its voter base. However, sanity quickly put an end to their overreaches. The problem is, as the right slowly moves to the left on many social issues [due to libertarian principles, mostly, since the original conservatives were generally live and let live before the religious right attempted their coup], the left is moving quickly left.

Worse yet, they have no way of policing themselves. The policing methods they do have, like call out culture, actually backfire and move them even further left as they eat themselves.

This is especially problematic in the digital age. Patreon, Facebook, Google, and even payment processors are currently deplatforming and silencing people in a way the religious right only dreamed of. Back then, people like tipper gore were shouted down from their ridiculous platforms by teens, the media, entertainment, and the rest.

But now, because the so called morality has been detached from the religiousity, and the argument has been reframed to pretend to protect the disenfranchised, it's going full speed into absurdity. Free speech is fully under attack. Heck, even defending speech is now called a dog whistle for racism, which just proves how deep down the hole we are. Comedians, actors, and authors are all under attack. Anyone right of the radical left is shamed into silenced or called out as an enemy.

Arguments against this are dismissed out of hand as privilege and other terms they redefine at will to exclude themselves and paint their enemies. This wouldn't be so bad if it was just a bunch of idiots at their computers, but with the rash of deplatforming and legal moves happening in cities and countries across the western world, this ideology has clearly seeped into everything. We are in the middle of a major culture war. At stake is pretty much everything, if you value free speech , liberty, and your labor. Which sounds like hyperbole until you start paying attention to everything happening right now, for example, patreon, Google, PayPal, Mastercard, England, canada, france,etc.

 

[The_Mike]

Anyone remember Loadout?

kind of NSFW (no nudity)

Spoiler: realistic western fanservice

Who needs 2Butt when he can have Helga?

I am actually really surprised that there hasn't been another Helga, yet. Prolly because no one wants to see that in their games.

What about her though

 

[Javthusiast]

All this outrage is so hypocritical anyway, cause let's take music for example. Look at the top songs on spotify worldwide list etc. It's nothing but hip hop songs singing about money, drugs and sex, featuring big booty bitches in the male performed videos and the female singers and rappers in addition to half naked dancers are constantly wearing skimpy outfits too, and I guarantee all the screaming sjws are listening to those songs and watching the music videos, which have hundreds of millions of views or billions even.
And they all love it and say oh if they are half naked it's their choice and it's empowering blah blah.

All it is, is them using sex to sell you shit. But apparently in comics, video games and movies it's bad.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Becoming a rapist? raped by abusive woman? if it exists i nominate you for passive aggressive of the week.

Tweren't nothing passive about it.

What is wrong with seeing too many bikini clad women? how about undesired arousal or lust which is usually physically and mentally taxing causing you to crave some kind of release. I dont know if your desensitized to this shit or you re just an old man who no longer has same sex drive. But too much sexuality virtually/in front the screen is a real issue among today's men (a 1/3 of young men watch porn). Which causes sexual desensitization to normal sexual stimulation and change in sexual wiring which causes them to look for harder stimuli which isnt part of their inborn sexual tastes.

Have you ever had sex? I'm only asking because this seems like a purely theoretical exercise for you. You seem to put sex on a pedestal. I've tried it and sex on a pedestal is very tricky. It is rather challenging for two people to keep their balance without falling off.

If i want to see semi naked chicks ill go on instagram.

And this is why I think you must be very young and/or inexperienced. This is like saying, "If I want to see semi naked chicks, I'll go to the underwear section of the Sears catalogue". Do they still have Sears catalogues? Oh man, I think Sears may be closing soon. Nobody is going to get that reference anymore! I'm so old...

It's also cool of you to just dismiss the whole objectifying part as "posturing".

I refuse to believe that someone who thinks that objectification is a serious problem would refer to women as "chicks". Maybe it's just me though.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"Stop objectifying chicks, I will go on Twitter if I want to see them naked."



You can't make this shit up, folks.

 

[Doctorhales92]

Tweren't nothing passive about it.


I refuse to believe that someone who thinks that objectification is a serious problem would refer to women as "chicks". Maybe it's just me though.

Never claimed that it was a serious problem but just in this particular scenario they have a point. I oppose the sjw's even more than i do the hypermasculinity sub culture you see on the internet that villifies anything they deem to be even remotely sjw. My perspective is strictly from a male one. I think Having semi nude women be more common in video games i think is more jeopardising for men and affects women less negatively. And such content of this nature has it's own place.
But anyways, i said my piece, to each their own.

 

[Doctorhales92]

"Stop objectifying chicks, I will go on Twitter if I want to see them naked."



You can't make this shit up, folks.

Problem is people see everything in sjw and anti sjw, and not an individual coming from a different direction. It's like the strict polarisation in america between the left and right school of though. Nothing else really matters.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Problem is people see everything in sjw and anti sjw, and not an individual coming from a different direction. It's like the strict polarisation in america between the left and right school of though. Nothing else really matters.

I did not have any type of identity politics in my head when I wrote that.

I just laughed at how oblivious you were to the cognitive dissonance crumbling right before the programming, in real time.

You can't sit there and say something's objectifying women, and then in the very next sentence admit to the very same thing on a different platform, and not expect someone to point out that hypocrisy.

 

[JunkerWoland]

Everyone is an individual, but if your views on a particular topic are essentially parroting those of another quantifiable group, then you're still supporting those same ideals, regardless of whether one feels there's some specific distinction in their personal reasoning.

Many times people don't want to be associated with certain larger groups, but differences becomes hazy to inconsequential, when one's opinions are the same or inherently similar. This is, unfortunately, why it's become so easy to throw around the word "Nazi."

 

[KOMANI]

All this outrage is so hypocritical anyway, cause let's take music for example. Look at the top songs on spotify worldwide list etc. It's nothing but hip hop songs singing about money, drugs and sex, featuring big booty bitches in the male performed videos and the female singers and rappers in addition to half naked dancers are constantly wearing skimpy outfits too, and I guarantee all the screaming sjws are listening to those songs and watching the music videos, which have hundreds of millions of views or billions even.
And they all love it and say oh if they are half naked it's their choice and it's empowering blah blah.

All it is, is them using sex to sell you shit. But apparently in comics, video games and movies it's bad.

I wouldn’t say movies though. 50 shades was the biggest thing not too long ago. But I haven’t followed movies as much as comics and games, so perhaps I’m wrong.

 

[Doctorhales92]

I did not have any type of identity politics in my head when I wrote that.

I just laughed at how oblivious you were to the cognitive dissonance crumbling right before the programming, in real time.

You can't sit there and say something's objectifying women, and then in the very next sentence admit to the very same thing on a different platform.

I think you're the one who has a screw or two loose.
Where did i say stop objectifying women, i just admitted they had a point in the context of gaming?
Where did i say i go on twitter to watch semi nude women? i said that IF i wish to see semi nude women ill go somewhere else, i used instagram as an example. Point was entirely about nude women being shoehorned being a matter of wrong place/wrong time.
Anyway its not like women in instagram are being objectified by developers or something considering their displaying themselves of their own free will. So even hypothetically (if you were right) from that point you fail.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I think you're the one who has a screw or two loose.
Where did i say stop objectifying women, i just admitted they had a point in the context of gaming?
Where did i say i go on twitter to watch semi nude women? i said that IF i wish to see semi nude women ill go somewhere else, i used instagram as an example. Point was entirely about nude women being shoehorned being a matter of wrong place/wrong time.
Anyway its not like women in instagram are being objectified by developers or something considering their displaying themselves of their own free will. So even hypothetically (if you were right) from that point you fail.

Twitter, Instagram, tomato tomahto all social media is the same bullshit.

Let me ask you this, how is an artist rendition objectifying when it doesn't impact an actual living being since it's a made-up drawing, not a real person vs. actually going on a platform to look at semi-naked real life women i.e. objectifying them?

 

[Solarstrike]

What about her though

Heat in the winter, shade in the summer.

 

[Halo is Back]

I miss it. I think there is room for both in this world but thanks to the SJWs it’s mostly gone now.

 

[Halo is Back]

The new Lara Croft? She is by no means ugly, at all.

Lara is always sexy in my book

 

[Doctorhales92]

Twitter, Instagram, tomato tomahto all social media is the same bullshit.

Let me ask you this, how is an artist rendition objectifying when it doesn't impact an actual living being since it's a made-up drawing, not a real person vs. actually going on a platform to look at semi-naked real life women i.e. objectifying them?

The thing is i'm not proposing you should go online and watch semi naked women on instagram. I said if you want that THING then you can go on there. Do you get it?
As for objectifying real life women by developers then it impacts the (animated) character because nudity is pretty much the gist of the character. You could say it's harmful to society if there's element of fetishization or whatever.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

im glad we as men can choose whats objectifying to women

 

[Paracelsus]

The thing is i'm not proposing you should go online and watch semi naked women on instagram. I said if you want that THING then you can go on there. Do you get it?
As for objectifying real life women by developers then it impacts the (animated) character because nudity is pretty much the gist of the character. You could say it's harmful to society if there's element of fetishization or whatever.

Are you being dense on purpose by focusing on naked bodies because it is the only element supporting your cause or what? People would still sexualize someone like Jill Valentine with a full military uniform because her face is gorgeous.
Nobody but 75 year olds would sexualize current Sonya Blade even if she fought completely naked. They figured this out: a pretty face can make a good body better, no good body can redeem an ugly face, and that's what they're pulling off currently, the whole "realism" schtick. Look at Claire Redfield: they basically stripped her naked with her botched classic outfit, and nobody cares because a. she looked better covered up and b. her face can't be salvaged by a bit of naked skin.

 

[Buki1]

I wonder when devs pandering to the SJWs will realise that they will never satisfy those fanatics. Look at MK11 - they covered previously sexy characters like Skarlet from head to toe while adding new half naked male minority character, they focus game marketing on the female character for the first time by hiring celebrity, they add gay character and shoehorn coming out story into war for saving the earth (sexual orientation of no other character in the series was the point of the story before) and what happens? Do SJW love them?

Nah, they boycot the game because Ronda Rousey, female fighter, said one time that she refuse to fight male fighter, who thinks he is a woman now, despite having male body. They will never be satisfied, they will always get offended by something. My take on that is - fuck the always offended vocal minority, and just make the game for your loyay fans.

 

[Doctorhales92]

Are you being dense on purpose by focusing on naked bodies because it is the only element supporting your cause or what? People would still sexualize someone like Jill Valentine with a full military uniform because her face is gorgeous.
Nobody but 75 year olds would sexualize current Sonya Blade even if she fought completely naked. They figured this out: a pretty face can make a good body better, no good body can redeem an ugly face, and that's what they're pulling off currently, the whole "realism" schtick. Look at Claire Redfield: they basically stripped her naked with her botched classic outfit, and nobody cares because a. she looked better covered up and b. her face can't be salvaged by a bit of naked skin.

I have a problem with forced nudity on the audience. Dont want chars looking like hookers or looking like they made the switch from Dead or alive volleyball. I dont care what the community does with jill valentine. Dont have an issue with a pretty face. So not too happy with the new sonya blade look either, but i think that might just be a fault with the animators.

 

[baphomet]

This thread reads like a who's who of incels.

 

[Ten_Fold]

I mostly play Japanese games soo I get a good amount of sexy females, but i can see why people hate that we don’t have enough of it anymore, I mean if you make a good looking guy ya gotta make female to look just as good.

 

[Paracelsus]

This thread reads like a who's who of incels.

I don't know, I can't think of anything worse than a white knight of ugly fictional characters created in service of jealous snowflakes.

 

[joe_zazen]

I did not have any type of identity politics in my head when I wrote that.

I just laughed at how oblivious you were to the cognitive dissonance crumbling right before the programming, in real time.

You can't sit there and say something's objectifying women, and then in the very next sentence admit to the very same thing on a different platform, and not expect someone to point out that hypocrisy.

Yeah, idk what is being argued. That is not ok to objectify virtual women in videogames, but it is ok to do so while masturbating to pictures you found on instagram? And if you masturbate to images of women or men, you have objectified them, especially without their consent.