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Avengers Endgame (SPOILER THREAD)

sol_bad

Member
Question about Cap returning the stones to the correct place and time...

  • Did he shove the red stone up Natalie Portman's butt or just leave it on the floor?
  • How did he get the stone back into the Tesseract?
  • How did he get the stone back in Loke's sceptre?
  • How was Cap the right choice to move through time and navigate aliens worlds and not get killed or spotted in say Asgard?

Who says the stones have to be exactly where they were? As long as the stones are returned to that reality, that is all that matters. No doubt these realities will be changed forever due to this.

2012 reality is changed forever as Loki took the Tesseract. Also Steve may or may not have given the mind stone to Hydra, if he didn't it means Wanda and Piotr never get their powers. Steve might have given the time and mind stone to the Ancient One.

2014 reality may or may not have splintered off to 2 realities. I will assume not, otherwise all the realities would have splintered off when the stones were taken. Chances are this reality is lucky and will never have to deal with Thanos. Steve could have given the stones to Xandar, Captain Marvel or even travelled to Asgard.

The 1970's reality is probably the trickiest stone to return. But then again maybe Steve just gave the stone to Howard Stark to return to the facility.

What about the glaring flaw with the movie that at least 60-90 mins are just boring? Once they kill Thanos and start with the time travelling shit the movie takes a huge nose dive in terms of quality and doesn't pick up until the last 40 mins. I'm def not the only one that noticed that, right. How does this shit stand up on rewatch?

Sorry but I loved it all and every scene is integral to the story.
 
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pramod

Banned
I think I'll try to catch it one more time on IMAX, since there were some dialogue bits and Easter Eggs I missed the first time around.
But yeah, I don't think this movie will be one of the more popular MCU choices for rewatches or reruns.
 

quickwhips

Member
I really enjoyed the movie. Captain America did everything I ever wanted to see. Ironman really hit me hard as a dad. I love the movie 3000.
 

kunonabi

Member
I don't understand the issues people have with Thor giving Valkyrie the throne. She has been running things for 5 years. Thor just lost it and she stepped up. Sure we didn't see her leading, but it was heavily implied, and even had one scene with her giving orders if I remember right, that she was the one keeping New Asgard together for the 5 years.

Running a fishing community isnt much of a resume and we dont even know how closely he was watching her anyway. Plus she's a bit character that the audience hasnt seen much of. It also makes all the drama around Odin trying to make his sons worthy of the throne and Thor's character development up until this point into a huge joke. He's just a fuck-up who never deserved the throne now. Valkyrie who abandoned her kingdom to help enslave innocents and lead them to their deaths while she spent all the money on booze is much better King material.
 

Teletraan1

Banned
If he figured out how to use the time stone and returned it last he could revert each of the stones to their original form using the trick Dr Strange did on that apple or the book with the torn out page.
 

Shouta

Member
He is not super human....so cinematically that is rather crap and very boring. So he is going to give up flying or is he going to fly with shield?

Yeh. Great. (y)




How the hell can you come to any real conclusion like this from a cam??? :unsure:

Eh, hey'll figure something out. Besides, aren't Winter Soldier and Falcon getting something together? We'll get our fill of superhuman shenanigans, or bigger guns from Bucky.
 

sol_bad

Member
Running a fishing community isnt much of a resume and we dont even know how closely he was watching her anyway. Plus she's a bit character that the audience hasnt seen much of. It also makes all the drama around Odin trying to make his sons worthy of the throne and Thor's character development up until this point into a huge joke. He's just a fuck-up who never deserved the throne now. Valkyrie who abandoned her kingdom to help enslave innocents and lead them to their deaths while she spent all the money on booze is much better King material.

Thor has never ever wanted the throne anyway.

Also, people commenting about Sam being the new Captain America, it's more about symbolism than being super strong. The puiblic know Bucky as a murderous assassin that has killed people for years. He would need to redeem himself before becoming Captain America.
 
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RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Is this the first time we saw Pepper in full armor? I was a bit confused because they treated her like someone we've seen before. I think I've seen every movie except for Marvel so far.
 

kunonabi

Member
Thor has never ever wanted the throne anyway.

Also, people commenting about Sam being the new Captain America, it's more about symbolism than being super strong. The puiblic know Bucky as a murderous assassin that has killed people for years. He would need to redeem himself before becoming Captain America.

Not true he just had other concerns and needed to grow before he was ready for it. He certainly wanted it more than Valkyrie at the very least. Asgard was always important to Thor whether the throne was his or not. Now he just pawns it off on someone else so can dick around with the Guardians for funsies and not have to worry about it. It's ridiculous.

Re: Falcon

Which would still be a meatier story than Sam. I'm a much bigger fan of Mackie's Falcon than Bucky but neither of them has been set up for this. I'd much rather Mackie get the opportunity to take Falcon and elevate the character into something distinctly his than to just be the guy that wasnt as good as Evans.
 

Bwesh

Member
Now that I think about it all. I can't think of any reason to watch more MCU movies after this. Probably just Spider Man since I like Tom for the role and for how they'll handle Mysterio.

None of the new Avengers have the charisma of Stark or Cap.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Now that I think about it all. I can't think of any reason to watch more MCU movies after this. Probably just Spider Man since I like Tom for the role and for how they'll handle Mysterio.

None of the new Avengers have the charisma of Stark or Cap.
What happened to Thor's Hammer? Notice it was blatantly missing at the end. There's plenty of Cap stories they can tell if they're so inclined and they back up a dump truck of money to Chris Evans' house.
 

sol_bad

Member
Not true he just had other concerns and needed to grow before he was ready for it. He certainly wanted it more than Valkyrie at the very least. Asgard was always important to Thor whether the throne was his or not. Now he just pawns it off on someone else so can dick around with the Guardians for funsies and not have to worry about it. It's ridiculous.

Re: Falcon

Which would still be a meatier story than Sam. I'm a much bigger fan of Mackie's Falcon than Bucky but neither of them has been set up for this. I'd much rather Mackie get the opportunity to take Falcon and elevate the character into something distinctly his than to just be the guy that wasnt as good as Evans.

In Thor 1, yeah he wants to be king because of his cocky attitude. He grows as a person in that film though.
In Dark World he gives up the throne, he wants to be with Jane and does not want to be king. He lives on Earth for years and is still with Jane in AoU. After AoU he leaves to find out more about the Infinity Stones and when he returns to find Loki pretending to be their father he still doesn't want to be king. Depression sets in after Infinity War and he doesn't want to be king. He gets over his depression and still doesn't want to be king. The throne just isn't for him.

Now that I think about it all. I can't think of any reason to watch more MCU movies after this. Probably just Spider Man since I like Tom for the role and for how they'll handle Mysterio.

None of the new Avengers have the charisma of Stark or Cap.

No one gave a crap about Tony, Steve, Bruce or Thor when the MCU started. People saw IM1 simply because of RDJ but they fell in love with the character. Cap1 and Thor 1 did mildly well at the cinemas because people literally didn't care. No one cared about Natasha in IM2 but she grew on people as she was fleshed out.
I'm sure that if-when Sam/Bucky/Wanda, Rhodey get their own films the fans will be there and their characters will be fleshed out.
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
I saw it a second time. I enjoyed the first half more than I did the first time I saw it. I let myself really pay attention to the story... It's more dramatic than it lets on in a first viewing. I saw the characters as real people and not superheroes ... Although they are superheroes. LOL! Nat's death hit me harder the second time around ... I enjoyed the mishaps more, too, when they were in the past at the Battle of New York and SHIELD in 1970. And the facial de-aging was much better this time around for Michael Douglas
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
What happened to Thor's Hammer? Notice it was blatantly missing at the end. There's plenty of Cap stories they can tell if they're so inclined and they back up a dump truck of money to Chris Evans' house.

Cap had it with him to take back to Asgard at the end. You didn't see it?
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Also what the fuck happened with Loki? The tesseract was supposedly vital, but they got along just fine without it.

I'm not complaining that Loki is back.
 

Shouta

Member
Yea, he picks it up and disappears. Next thing you see is him at 90 sitting on a bench without it.

He returns it to that timeline along with the Aether stone or whatever. It's important since Thor is a factor in major events. The difference in how things turn out would probably cause a branch if it wasn't put back as well.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
He returns it to that timeline along with the Aether stone or whatever. It's important since Thor is a factor in major events. The difference in how things turn out would probably cause a branch if it wasn't put back as well.
You don't know that. Hell, we don't know that every stone made it back. There is so much the writers can work with.
 

iconmaster

Banned
Just saw it. I think it was really about as good a wrap-up as it could have been. There is a lot of characters just interacting and deepening how we understand their relationships, which I loved.

Brie has probably less than two minutes of screen time but irritated me profoundly whenever she was on screen. And I liked her in Scott Pilgrim.

My biggest fear going in was that Infinity War would get completely cancelled out via time travel. That’s not what happens. There are still consequences for the world. That’s smart.
 

Slacker

Member
I can't find it now, but I read earlier that one of the directors mentioned that people that got dusted in Infinity War woke up from the second snap without knowledge of what happened to them. This doesn't really jive with how it looked when people disappeared but whatevs (I don't feel so good Mister Stark, etc). But that makes me want to see Mrs. Hawkeye's unsnapping scene even more. At a family fun time picnic, having a good old time, blinks, and when she opens her eyes again she sees: what? Emkempt lawn/house. Heck, maybe Hawkeye sold the place to move on from the pain and there were some sweet old farmers living there. I guess it must have still been her house for her phone to be there. She must have hauled ass by the way to get in the house quick enough to call Hawkeye as soon as she did.

Thoughts and prayers going out to the people whose spouses got dusted, managed to put the pieces back together, move on, and find someone to love again. They get married, and life starts to get back to the tiniest semblance of normality. Then one night while they're watching Game of Thrones in bed one of their former spouses undusts in bed on top of them. Awkward.
 
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Just got back from seeing it, I liked it, glad Captain Marvel was mostly tacked on and barely got any screen time. As much as I didn't want to see Tony die, but knew it was inevitable, I'm glad he got to go out like a boss. Also nice closure to Steve and Peggy's story.

Also what the fuck happened with Loki? The tesseract was supposedly vital, but they got along just fine without it.

I'm not complaining that Loki is back.
Tony and Steve went and got the tesseract from a different point in time. As for Loki, well now there is a timeline where Loki not only escaped before being returned to, and imprisoned, at Asgard but got a infinity stone in the process, obviously a intentional plot hole to bring Loki back, which I'm fine with.
 
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RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Tony and Steve went and got the tesseract from a different point in time. As for Loki, well now there is a timeline where Loki not only escaped before being returned to, and imprisoned, at Asgard but got a infinity stone in the process, obviously a intentional plot hole to bring Loki back, which I'm fine with.
Oh dammit, You're right.

I now remember them getting the tesseract from a different time. You're right. It was the whole Tony and his father thing.

I'm wrong.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
In a completely pathetic defense, that was probably the weakest part of the movie for me until we saw the ending with Cap.
 
"Using a fat person as a punchline is cheap and lazy. So why was everyone in the cinema audience laughing except me?"

Fat and lazy in the same sentence. Humour is lost on the progressive left.


"My issue lies not with Thor’s alcohol consumption or his turning to food for comfort – both are common coping mechanisms; my issue lies with his physical appearance."

Hang on a... that doesn't even... whatevs...

"I have many issues with the way Thor’s struggles were depicted"

Yes, that was what the film was about, of course!

Fuck the UK MSM (as usual).
 
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So wait a minute Rodey mentions "X-men Adventures" when he was rambling about time travel. I know Marvel is clever when it comes to do dropping hints. This pretty much acknowledges that Xmen exist in the MCU universe. The same way 'Logan' had comics books based on their adventures in their movie.
 

Doom85

Member
So wait a minute Rodey mentions "X-men Adventures" when he was rambling about time travel. I know Marvel is clever when it comes to do dropping hints. This pretty much acknowledges that Xmen exist in the MCU universe. The same way 'Logan' had comics books based on their adventures in their movie.

Do you mean when he said Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure? I've heard zero people mention any X-men acknowledgement in the film.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Good movie and nice end cap of the first and best cinematic universe experiment.

What I like about Cap's ending is that they still have room for more Chris Evans flicks if they do them in the past, telling the story of how he put the stones back.
 

iconmaster

Banned
So wait a minute Rodey mentions "X-men Adventures"

Yeah, like Doom85 Doom85 I'm pretty sure you just heard "Excellent Adventure" there.

Boy that'd suck if after Black Widow chucked herself down there Red Skull was like "Ooooh sorry it only counts if you push her."

It'd have completely ruined the moment (which was great!) but I kind of wanted to hear Red Skull say, "Well, close enough."
 
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So wait a minute Rodey mentions "X-men Adventures" when he was rambling about time travel. I know Marvel is clever when it comes to do dropping hints. This pretty much acknowledges that Xmen exist in the MCU universe. The same way 'Logan' had comics books based on their adventures in their movie.
No. First, they were talking about movies. Second, there's no movie called X-men Adventures. Third, I was disappointed that Days of Future Past was not mentioned.
 

iconmaster

Banned
- The woke moments were super stupid

I resent woke moments as much as anyone, but most of these did not bother me. Since you did a great job of listing them all, I'm going to respond here.
-- The completely unnecessary scene with the gay guy telling Cap he went out on a date and Cap encourages him as to how great it is. Gag.

Ha, that whole conversation I assumed the guy was talking about his father. That went right over my head.
-- The scene where Mrs. Marvel is flying with the gauntlet and all the marvel women back her up in a cheesy hamfisted girl power display. Distracting, obvious, lame.

Captain Marvel is endlessly grating. I love Black Widow and Valkryie. I enjoy Gamora, Nebula and Pepper Potts. But Captain Marvel is like nails on a chalkboard every time she's on screen. What happened with her?
--When Thor gives the crown to the obnoxious (let's not forget former [like 5 years ago] slaver and murderess traitor) Valkyrie. She's brown, so no prerequisites I guess. I hated this character in Ragnarok more, but she still does nothing for me.

I was actually very okay with this. Now, I loved the character in Ragnarok so we have different tastes going on. But from a purely moviemaking perspective, how is Thor supposed to go off having adventures (with the Guardians or whoever) if he's supposed to be at home ruling his people? They needed to make a handoff here in order to keep making Thor films; and I badly want a Ragnarok 2.

It wouldn't be called Ragnarok 2, you can't have double ragnaroks
-- When old Cap is sitting on the bench and Falcon goes to talk to him instead of Bucky is wrong. Cap hands Falcon the shield/mantle in a huge slap to Bucky's face. I just don't get this scene. "Here you go Falc, the Russo brothers want a black Captain America, so screw my best friend and near equal in combat, I choose you."

Here's the flipside of our Valkrie difference -- I can't stand Bucky. I find him creepy at best and the fact that Cap sacrifices the Avengers for his bromance with a brainwashed killer still boggles my mind. I'm glad they didn't give him the shield.
--Paltrow in Iron Man armor fighting at the end? So, so cheesy. (I admit that at first, I thought this was Tony's daughter in some weird time thing [see Ant-Man's daughter], which would have probably been cooler than Pepper). And yes, I know she's worn the armor before. That was cheesy too.

I enjoy Paltrow, so I found it a fun way to include her at the end. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that she'd be that skilled in using the suit unless you fill in some headcanon (Tony spent 5 years training her, perhaps). But fun, for me.
- Hulk sucks in this movie. HUGE uncanny valley thing as they try to make him literally Mark Ruffalo but 9 feet tall and green. Also keeping Ruffalo's voiceover without obviously deepening it or adding heavy effects was a terrible idea. A nine-foot tall monster wouldn't sound at all like a six-foot man. The voice didn't match the face speaking only adding to the awkward uncanniness, forget the lame dialogue. (They nailed the voice in Ragnarok)

I love the Hulk in these films. I loved him in Avengers, in Ranarok and in Endgame. I thought he was hilarious here. I'm apparently down for whatever the directors want to do with this character.
 

kunonabi

Member
If Thor absolutely had to hand off the throne it should have gone to lady Sif but for whatever reason she's been blacklisted from the MCU.

As for Hulk the problem is he's been purely relagated to comic relief since Ragnarok and his character development came to a dead stop. Professor Hulk should have been a much bigger deal that actually had an impact instead of some off screen thing. Ideally, it should have happened when he met the ancient one with her using her powers to facilitate the dialogue between banner and Hulk that leads to the merger.
 

Starfield

Member
Reading this thread, this forum really makes me feel like I'm in an alternate reality.

Honestly, any of you guys that have a big issue with the 2 minute female team up need to seek help. The last battle was literally 85% men smashing other men, yet such a big hang up about the female team up.
Hey, noone has something against female characters or a female lead, but scenes like this will only fuel more hate/dislike towards feminsim.

Might aswell make a female only avenger movie and see how that will pan out.
 
Watched it today.

Expression that must have been showing on my face during the screening was probably similar to this

wtf-is-this-shit.jpg


Pretty much initial 2/3 of the movie were extremely boring and could have been much shorter. The part where they go back in time to get stones suffered from having too much heroes and not enough time to split action for all of them so all their strugles feel bland and devoid of any depth , then the ending felt like one gigantic Deus Ex Machina intervention.

The only saving graces this movie had were Thor scenes and sending Captain Marvel to help rest of universe off screen :)

Also I don't think the movie would be better even if they removed woke pandering scenes - the basic structure was bad and outside of complete rewrite I don't see anything that could have saved this train wreck.

Since Captain America was always high point of those movies for me I think with him gone I'll have much easier time skipping new ones.
 

sol_bad

Member
Hey, noone has something against female characters or a female lead, but scenes like this will only fuel more hate/dislike towards feminsim.

Might aswell make a female only avenger movie and see how that will pan out.

I know people here don't have an issue with female characters (generally) but all this arguing about stupid stuff is frustrating.

Peoples hate for Brie Larson here makes them do mental gymnastics just so they can complain about things in her film that they don't complain about in other films. Like in her film, complaints about how she is overpowered and she saves the day with no effort, because she is a Mary Sue woman blah blah. But in Justice Leage, well we all know how terrible that film is but there were no complaints about Superman rushing in at the end of the film to save the day effortlessly and how completely unearned it was, damn Billy Bob man! People here actually praised Superman in that film.

People complaining about Valkyrie becoming Asgardian queen, just because she is a coloured woman? People calling for Sif to be the queen? But she has done absolutely nothing to even show that she is worthwhile to be queen, they want her to be queen because why? Because she is a white woman? Both Sif and Valkyrie are warriors, that's all they have ever been in the past. Valkyrie is easily the better warrior though because, you know, she is a Valkyrie, elite guard and all that. So if that is all we have to go on than damn straight Valkyrie is the better choice to be queen. If we can't have Sif or Valkyrie be queen, who is a better alternative?
 

MetalAlien

Banned
People complaining about Valkyrie becoming Asgardian queen, just because she is a coloured woman? People calling for Sif to be the queen? But she has done absolutely nothing to even show that she is worthwhile to be queen, they want her to be queen because why? Because she is a white woman? Both Sif and Valkyrie are warriors, that's all they have ever been in the past. Valkyrie is easily the better warrior though because, you know, she is a Valkyrie, elite guard and all that. So if that is all we have to go on than damn straight Valkyrie is the better choice to be queen. If we can't have Sif or Valkyrie be queen, who is a better alternative?

How about because Sif didn't give up on Asgard and pretend she didn't care about them at all? You know because Valkyrie did exactly that!
 
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sol_bad

Member
How about because Sif didn't give up on Asgard and pretend she didn't care about them at all? You know because Valkyrie did exactly that!

hmmmm
Sif hasn't been seen since The Dark World. You know Sif hasn't abandoned Asgard because? Where was she when Hela arrived, why didn't she defend Asgard then?
 

pramod

Banned
Since we are all nitpicking here i might as well get this off my chest too. I feel that another character besides Hulk who was shortchanged was Drax.

Seems like everyone forgot his whole purpose in the comics was to kill Thanos. And he barely got to do anything in both movies. I really dunno where his character arc is going from here on out.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
hmmmm
Sif hasn't been seen since The Dark World. You know Sif hasn't abandoned Asgard because? Where was she when Hela arrived, why didn't she defend Asgard then?
The writers never explained. They did explain why Val was gone though.
 
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kunonabi

Member
Since we are all nitpicking here i might as well get this off my chest too. I feel that another character besides Hulk who was shortchanged was Drax.

Seems like everyone forgot his whole purpose in the comics was to kill Thanos. And he barely got to do anything in both movies. I really dunno where his character arc is going from here on out.

A lot of characters just flat out didnt get the payoffs and moments they should have had in Endgame. It's a shame really.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
How about we stick with what we see on screen. No headcanon. Sif was not there to defend Asgard, Valkyrie was.
LOL so based on your headcanon Sif abandoned Asgard so we all must agree she is not worthy of being Queen but Val who definitely abandoned it is good to go? Ha that's quite a leap there sir.
 
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