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I mean, if they're doing what you're saying, then sure.
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I mean, if they're doing what you're saying, then sure.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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I mean, you hear stories about people getting better within hours or a day of taking their first dose. It was pretty clear many of the anecdotes were complete placebo.
JordanN
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Would it be irresponsible to call an ambulance if I wanted to go to the hospital and be tested?
Parents are out of the question, and I if I get a taxi I feel they would freak out if I told them what I was doing.
I don't think I actually have the symptoms, but the last couple of days, I do have this headache that is just [now] going away.
Parents are out of the question, and I if I get a taxi I feel they would freak out if I told them what I was doing.
I don't think I actually have the symptoms, but the last couple of days, I do have this headache that is just [now] going away.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Scrubs are not meant to be sterile. It would be impossible to keep them sterile, unless you're changing after every patient you see. They're meant to be to loose fitting, comfortable, and easily changed out of in case they get soiled. If something approaching sterility is required, health care providers wear sterile gowns that they change in between patients.
Yes. WTF kind of question is this?
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Please do not call an ambulance for a headache...
Dr.Guru of Peru
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You are the worst poster in NeoGAFs history.
JordanN
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Jesus... I *usually* fervently disagree with JordanN's posts, but that seems a bit uncalled for.
JordanN
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Maybe Dr.Guru missed the memo that I'm living with two covid-19 positive family members and that I wouldn't waste a phone call without mentioning my entire situation.
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Taxexemption
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Most likely where you live there is a non-emergency number you can call to ask that question. The emergency number is for emergencies. Ambulances are expensive also, it would be cheaper to take a cab or uber.
Djau
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Phone your equivalent of emergency out-of-hours healthcare number. Not an ambulance number, but an advice one.
If its believed he has Covid-19, taking a taxi is irresponsible.
If its believed he has Covid-19, taking a taxi is irresponsible.
Jooxed
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Biggest symptoms are shortness of breath and fever if you don't have any of those you are probably fine. If you are having a bad headache it probably could be a stress headache from worrying about it mate. Try not to worry so much, keep an eye on your temperature and play some games and relax. But what the fuck do I know.. I work in a healthcare facility but I am far from a Doctor.
Taxexemption
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At least in the US Ambulance services can be expensive enough to bankrupt people, there is no reason you should use one even if you are dying. Even if it's irresponsible he should not use an ambulance service.
JordanN
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I'm recovering now but the last two days, I did have random episodes of getting really hot, and then shivering and getting hot again followed by "tightness" in my chest.
That's what caused me to freak out at first but as you said, maybe it was just stress getting to me. The symptoms have all but disappeared so hopefully it isn't something more serious.
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Jooxed
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Working here caused me to kinda stress out about it, I take my time at least 6 times a day throughout my shift though mostly because I work around seniors. Buy yourself a decent thermometer and keep an eye on it.
EightBit Man
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Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke
Topics:
- UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based
- The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only
- This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product"
- The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better
- The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact
- The paper was very much too pessimistic
- Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway
- The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown
- The results will eventually be similar for all countries
- Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people.
- The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1%
- At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available
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DunDunDunpachi
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This talk was heretical just a few weeks ago.
EightBit Man
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I've been following the more grounded and rational voices for a while now. Unfortunately, most people are guided by the fear-driven media outlets. They are nothing but opportunists, this dying breed who claim a monopoly on information.
The results of the measures currently taken will have far more devastating effects than COVID-19 itself could've ever done. Suicides, divorces, and severe mental breakdowns will dwarf it, that is almost a given.
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Djau
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Absolutely, slightest sun and people were outside here. There will be a cost to society with that; how much remains to be seen.
ManaByte
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Sunlight destroys virus quickly, new govt. tests find, but experts say pandemic could last through summer
Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long under high-temperature, high-humidity conditions, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.
Djau
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Sunlight destroys virus quickly, new govt. tests find, but experts say pandemic could last through summer
Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long under high-temperature, high-humidity conditions, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.news.yahoo.com
Flu has some similarities but its not eradicated. I'm not convinced that in an ex vitro situation that it will play out the same. Nevertheless maintain social distancing, hand sanitizer, gloves and masks.
Captain Zyrain
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I don't remember exactly, but weren't you supposed to give Zinc as well with it? The original info was also that it was best used at onset of symptoms and it wasn't as effective later. The article doesn't really touch on that.
I would hope they'd be able to find out if it was actually causing more problems though.
cryptoadam
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Case and death % from my neck of the woods. 2.5% of deaths under 60. and 850 of these deaths were in CHLSD's (old age homes)
Captain Zyrain
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So heretical it was already posted, in this thread, twice!
I watched the video then and he doesn't really even explain himself well.
Sweden also has 1765 deaths compared to 141 in Finland and 182 in Norway (Combine those two for a rough equal to Sweden's population). Even if you look at a country like Austria, which is close to Sweden in population, they only had 491 deaths.
They're over double the deaths of all the other countries in the same range of positive test count. I don't know if that's a great model to emulate all things considered.
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hariseldon
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Wtf? Thank fuck I live in the uk.
Captain Zyrain
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This is from 2015 but likely similar now. US varies by state and area.
Ambulance costs in Canada
| How much an ambulance costs: | |
|---|---|
| British Columbia | $50 if treated on scene; $80 if transported to hospital |
| Alberta | $250 if treated on scene; $385 if transported to hospital |
| Saskatchewan | Depending on the health region, $245 or $325 + $2.30/km |
| Manitoba | Depending on where you are in the province, the cost ranges from $270 + $3/km to $530 |
| Ontario | $45 if medically necessary, $240 if not medically necessary |
| Quebec | $125 + $1.75/km |
| New Brunswick | In New Brunswick those without private insurance don't pay ambulance fees. UPDATE: In April, 2015, the province reinstated ambulance fees. Now, for those without insurance, the cost for an ambulance is $130 |
| Nova Scotia | $142.30 |
| Newfoundland and Labrador | $115 |
| Prince Edward Island | $150 |
| Yukon | No out-of-pocket charge to patients |
| Northwest Territories | Varies by location |
| Nunavut | Varies by location |
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cryptoadam
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Yes they are supposed to use Zinc. Novartis is starting a phase 3 clinical trial on the drug. This also wasn't a "study" as they just seem to compare some patients using it so if Raoult's study wasn't good this has the same pitfalls.
I still have less faith in HQ as the day goes by. And a phase 3 clinical trial doesn't mean its going to work. TBH if this thing did work I think the Chinese would be using it since they have studied it since Jan/Feb already.
But you will never see a group of happier people then after this news. TDS heads will be celebrating that people are going to die from CV because it means Trump was wrong about something.
Joe T.
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Yeah, there was this bit from CBC yesterday, too: "At least 3,000 health-care workers in the province have tested positive for COVID-19. They account for nearly one-sixth of the total cases."
I briefly spoke to a paramedic passing through the condo about two weeks ago and she said her job wasn't much different than usual, but she was really glad she's not a nurse right now.
cryptoadam
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With Sweden it really seems to come down to which side you are on, and thats how you interpret the data. I have seen Sweden used as an example for both sides of the argument.
In the end Swedes (or their government) decided that society and the economy is worth the amount of deaths they are having. From my understanding they haven't overloaded their hospital systems nor are people being triaged or dying from lack of ICU beds. If they think 1700 elderly people is worth while to maintain society then thats their decision.
Looking at New York it would never have worked there. But maybe this could of worked in mid east or west coast states. Somewhere like North Dakota or Oregon could maybe of followed Sweden.
Taxexemption
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Those seem fairly reasonable. Really though, in the US it doesn't make sense in many cases to seek medical treatment. The high blood pressure from dealing with those medical bills will be enough to undo any treatment your doctor did.
cryptoadam
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It sounds like to me Legault wasn't able to do enough to secure our health care workers. Guy has been skating buy and Arruda managed to become a meme so everyone is happy in Quebec. Meanwhile we are the worst province in Canada and Montreal is the epicenter of the pandemic. Arruda and Legault have dragged their feet on masks (most likely because of their aversion to hijabs) and let this CHLSD crisis get out of hand.
Right now it seems the saving grace is most of the virus is contained to these CHLSD's and is declining in the general population. I am losing my patience with the leadership now. I hope they have a better plan to reopen then some plexi glass and hand sanitizer while begging students and young people to go work in a farm somewhere in bumfuck Quebec.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Maybe you missed the "memo" that every single public health official, medical professional, government official has been giving out since the beginning of this little pandemic: dont go to hospital if you have mild symptoms, and for gods sake dont call an ambulance. Wondering whether you have COVID19 is not a medical emergency.
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JordanN
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I guess I did.
Which is really odd, since I made the choice to self isolate in the first place.
The Scrivener
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You forget somerset.
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hariseldon
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People are being a bit harsh on Jordan here - his situation sounds pretty stressful. I agree that an ambulance isn’t the right call but when you’re faced with something like this none of us can be perfect emotionally detached robots. We’re all human and can all have the shit scared out of us in this situation.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
I don't care how informed you are (but you clearly aren't). Just don't call an ambulance o go to hospital if you have mild to no symptoms. Paramedics and nurses are exposed to enough risk as is. The last thing they need is to be exposed to the virus because you want to know if you have it. Just presume you do and stay home.
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JordanN
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Not to beat a dead horse but I also said the first time I learned my parents had it, they were mostly symptom-less.
That said, I obviously took a wait approach and not just "OMG DIAL 911 NAOW". I'm still having some random episodes but I think it's tied to being stuck indoors all day. I'm not really use to being this constrained in one place.
Bad news: both my parents are now covid-19 positive.
I asked my dad what are his symptoms and he said, he's a little dizzy, his chest hurts sometimes and his left leg hurts. But he says he can still breathe ok. Same with my mother.
But my mom's voice is back to normal though.
That said, I obviously took a wait approach and not just "OMG DIAL 911 NAOW". I'm still having some random episodes but I think it's tied to being stuck indoors all day. I'm not really use to being this constrained in one place.
cryptoadam
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Whats a hospital going to do? If you aren't going to be intubated or put in the ICU they can't really do much. There isn't any cure for the CV. They will probably just send you back home. If anything buy some vitamin D and vitamin C.
Captain Zyrain
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Why can't you drive to a testing place?
JordanN
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No license.
Djau
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I don't know how it works where you are, but in the UK you can phone NHS-24 and they'll give advice over the line, and if they think its bad enough they will call you in and go through some tests. Is there something like that?
Covid-19 will be over before vitamin D and C takes effect. If your eating a normal, balanced diet its not needed. Vitamin D especially so if you live in a sunny country.
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JordanN
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I linked the self assessment page earlier.
The funny thing is, if you answer yes the first time it does say it's an emergency. But I didn't actually think it was that severe, and it later gives you a phone number to speak with a nurse.
If it gets worse, I'll call the nurse first and then I'll take his/her advice next.
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Djau
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Thats the right procedure. The nurse will triage you and decide if its worth coming in.
cryptoadam
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He lives in Canada, we are coming off winter I don't think he was getting a lot of sun LOL.
Djau
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Yeah, thats just generalised advice.
cryptoadam
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Ya for sure. Vitamin D and C won't kill your covid but Vitamin C is something they pump people full of at the hospitals and there is a lot of science around Vitamin D deficiency and CV. Consider that CV is much more deadly to those unhealthy as you said eat well and get some excercise. It won't cure you but its a better defense then being an out of shape fatty.
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