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Now Bluepoint are intimately familiar with Demon's Souls, would you give them a shot at a sequel?

cormack12

Gold Member
So been thinking about this, they've basically been working from the raw source code, they've ported all the A.I. and logic over as-is, and redoing the animations will give them proper context for how attacks are paced and balanced per weapon. There are already rumours of a Sony buyout, so if push came to shove and Sony brought them in as first party would you feel comfortable giving them the reigns to completely have a shot at bringing a unique sequel?
 
There's no indication that they have the talent to create a good game, they as of now merely have the technological talent to better older games. They're wizards when it comes to artistry and engine development, but that's the least concerning part of a game itself. Creativity, vision, and ability to execute a compelling gameplay and narrative experience are something else entirely.
 
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Javthusiast

Banned
Why the hell not. FROM will keep doing their Souls like games, so why not give BP a chance to make their own, if it's good, great, if not then no big deal. They will just go back to remaking.

Ultimately I want a new ip though. Enough Souls clones on a weekly basis as is.
 
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AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
No. They've done a stellar job at rebuilding something from a template, but they're not FROM. We have no idea how their original games would turn out.

Honestly they probably want to do their own shit now and not build on the legacy of something else again.
 

FunkMiller

Gold Member
Nope. From Software should be the only ones making fresh Souls games. I love what Bluepoint have done, but the writing, gameplay and style should all come from Miyazaki and From. Western developers wouldn’t do the same job.

It never works when western devs take over Japanese IP.
 
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There's no indication that they have the talent to create a good game, they as of now merely have the technological talent to better older games.

I'd be down for them doing a DLC for Demon's Souls since it never had one... /shrug

Otherwise, I just want them to remaster DS1-3, and Bloodborne.

Plus, Miyazaki is the heartbeat of Soulsborne. He'd have to at minimum be an adviser on anything made.
 
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Danjin44

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No, I like Bluepoint but as far as I’m concerned they are graphic designer, not a game designers. They first need to make their own games to prove they can designs their own game without relying on other developer’s work.
 
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BabyYoda

Banned
They should start by making dlc that fills in the original content that From removed in that final broken door, the one set in a cold climate. If they can pull that off, then sure. But I suspect it would lose the From magic imho.
 
No.
There's no indication that they have the talent to create a good game, they as of now merely have the technological talent to better older games. They're wizards when it comes to artistry and engine development, but that's the least concerning part of a game itself. Creativity, vision, and ability to execute a compelling gameplay and narrative experience are something else entirely.
Couldn't agree more.
 
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TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
By their own? Hell nah, they just know how to remake things, no how to make them.

At best they could make something in tandem with From Software.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
If Sony buys it... I'll let them be creative and make their own game (whatever they wanna do)... not a sequel or a remaster.
Sony already owns it.

And no OP I don't trust them for new gameplay.

If the sales are good enough maybe Sony will hire From Software to work with Japan Studios and BP to make more content or a sequel.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I believe you are missing the roles here.

Bluepoint is a wizards in fix and port things... they main employees are coders and programming related.

For a new game you need way more... you need writers, designers, graphic artists, etc... all the man power that Bluepoint doesn't have.

Bluepoint should hire a lot of people first to start to make games.
 

AJUMP23

Gold Member
I don't think updating a game is equal to developing the lore and the story and the craft of an aligned concept. From Software gets to make these games, no one else.

This would be akin to expecting someone to write an original work because they were able to copy and paste Harry Potter.
 

tassletine

Member
No. All the over the top punching and finishing animations don't gel with me. The game is great but the overpowered / more western feeling they gave it isn't doing it for me. Same with the creature redesigns.
I has a similar problem with the Shadow remake. Little things, like he didn't ride slightly sidesaddle anymore. They're remaking games that revel in a special sort of gloomy atmosphere and making them a bit too jolly for me.

These may seem like nitpicks, but I think both those original games are made by real artists, and Bluepoint just aren't, they're just a company riding on their coattails.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
So been thinking about this, they've basically been working from the raw source code, they've ported all the A.I. and logic over as-is, and redoing the animations will give them proper context for how attacks are paced and balanced per weapon. There are already rumours of a Sony buyout, so if push came to shove and Sony brought them in as first party would you feel comfortable giving them the reigns to completely have a shot at bringing a unique sequel?

Of course, and they can continue Demon's Souls 2 and give the shaft to from software if they feel so. The IP is totally owned by Sony and they've made Dark Souls to evade that.
 

M1chl

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Nope. From Software should be the only ones making fresh Souls games. I love what Bluepoint have done, but the writing, gameplay and style should all come from Miyazaki and From. Western developers wouldn’t do the same job.

It never works when western devs take over Japanese IP.
Well there are some games, which western devs did right, something like Silent Hill: Shattered Memories, was really good.
 

Dragon_Rocks

Gold Member
Just because they were able to remake DeS beautifully does not mean they have the talent to create the unique atmosphere, characters and story that From Software creates. They are technically strong but we do not know if they have the capability of the vision and direction that From Software brings.
 

iconmaster

Banned
It would need to be written and/or helmed by Miyazaki. There's too much lore intertwined for it to be a completely new studio. Tech and graphics side? Yes. But the lore is a different animal.

This is the key for me. A Bluepoint game headed by Miyazaki? Sign me right up. But I think that's difficult "politically" for Miyazaki -- it could look to From employees like he's abandoning them for the hot new talent.

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Perhaps if some From folks were embedded with Bluepoint for the early design phase it could be kept from getting too awkward.
 

Mokus

Member
Noooo...!

They are not ready yet. Maybe they can try to make something similar, for a new IP. But until then don't experiment on a perfect series. Look how 343 Industries trashed the Halo without proving themselves beforehand.
 
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vpance

Member
If they ever make Demon's Souls 2 they need to hire a director that's familiar with Berserk and Junji Ito. Stuff like the new fat official won't cut it.
 

borborygmus

Member
I can't wait for another epic™ experience from Bluepoint. Maybe they can get a 400 person orchestra next time so they can miss the point even harder, and get the rights to Gary Busey's likeness for a boss character.
 
There's no indication that they have the talent to create a good game, they as of now merely have the technological talent to better older games. They're wizards when it comes to artistry and engine development, but that's the least concerning part of a game itself. Creativity, vision, and ability to execute a compelling gameplay and narrative experience are something else entirely.
I agree with this 100%.

The only way I could see this remotely making sense is if the project was being overseen by Miyazaki/FromSoft, and Bluepoint were the ones implementing their design (i.e. Yoko Taro/Platinum Games on Nier Automata; Sakurai/Namco on Smash Bros.) But even in those examples, those studios were already established as capable of making original games, whereas Bluepoint specializes in ports, remasters and remakes of existing games. A hypothetical Demon's Souls 2 would almost have to be a 50/50 collaboration between FromSoft and Bluepoint for me to have a lot of confidence in it, at this point in time.

It probably makes a lot more sense for Bluepoint to get a shot at making their own game first, and see how that goes, before placing them at the helm of an existing IP. That said, Bluepoint is good at what they do as-is. Have they expressed interest in making entirely brand new games?
 
They are extremely talented but not in creating games
Its very hard to replicate what made a great game great
Just look at 343i and Coallition.
 
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