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[Papacheeks]

Last time engineers were allowed to do whatever they wanted we got PS3, so console designed by suits is probably not worst idea ever.

Don't know if you've gotten a chance to watch this or not but the Documentary you can buy on Prime for $9.99 called
From Bedrooms to Billions: The PlayStation Revolution

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It's super good. Literally goes into a lot of hardware depth on the creation of PS3. It was super advanced for it's time, hell up till the last couple years it's cpu is still looked at by Missle targeting systems.
It's just that it was too complicated and not enough documentation was available. Look at what they were able to do closer to the end of the gen with it?

Ken Kutaragi along with everyone at Sony were not really enterprise CEO's. They all started in electronics, entertainment.
Which is why barring the PS3 the back bone of Playstation is entertainment, and not Enterprise like Microsoft.
Microsoft not treating Xbox as a entertainment/art system is what has fucked it. No one but the original creators who some had ties to sega could tell you what xbox meant to them. I always say this but, the Original XBox has a ton of Sega DNA, and honestly felt like the dreamcast 2.0. They had built in lan, a HDD, DVD drive and a chat library style system where you could do other things from the main menu.

Even a lot of the early titles were sega. Sega rally gt, Jet set radio future, Gunvalkryie, Otagi, Panzer Dragoon Orta, shenmue 2 port, phantasy star online, outrun 2.

The list is pretty big and a lot of those were first year titles.
Xbox has been fucked since Original because the wrong people started it's division for the wrong reasons. They wanted the box to be your center living room box, to do tv and shit. I mean they had a recording feature for original xbox to watch tv at some point there's pics online of a old RF adapter that goes into your xbox. They tried doing tv stuff with Windows Media center that you could link your xbox to for content sharing.

But thats not what made people love the xbox. ANd the people at Microsoft didn't know what they had.
I feel now it's too late. Even with phil at the helm. He has to adhere to the Nadella guidelines the rest of the company is.....services. TO them xbox now is just a another service on a spreadsheet of their assets.
Sony lets Playstation be what it is, and supports it through other divisions. Like film division they use some of their facilities for the mo-cap, same with sound studios.

it blows to be like this on a brand that to me had a lot going for it in the early beginnings. But too many enterprise people and not enough of people like J allard ran the division into the ground. Now they are trying so desperately they are giving away their software. But no one really wants it. They want to play Doom eternal, red dead 2, destiny 2, or dmcv.

I know services is the direction this is all going in at some point, but if PC is still viable through all the shit it's been through then regular game ownership is too on consoles. Subscription is another avenue for sure for people who like having a variety of games and are not particular in what they play.

For the rest of us, though we like getting hyped up for a title we have come to love.

 

[DaGwaphics]

Actually how usable that power is does make a difference. That's why we haven't seen the XSX take a large lead in multiplats yet.

You can either use those 12TFs or you can't.

GPUs can be optimized for different things. Take the old 5700XT vs Radeon 7 comparison, the 5700 is the undisputed winner at everything but 4K. In 4K the 7 comes roaring back. On paper, the XSX GPU is a better fit for high-bandwidth workloads. I'm not saying that it will necessarily perform better in those scenarios, but will likely be on par (which is what we've seen so far). MS's approach with the GDK may have some inefficiencies, so it was good they pushed a bit above in raw spec, they'd be further behind if they did not.

The systems are the same price, neither needs to outperform the other. So far the XSX holds its own in high-res or RT workloads while PS5 shines a bit brighter in lower-res high-frame modes.

 

[Riky]

Dude demon souls was re-created from the ground up. They even took some liberties on re-designing some of the characters and bosses. You also are able to play the game at 60fps. Something original and blood borne could not attest to.

The goal post and defecting is fucking hilarious.

Watch the DF interview with Bluepoint, they have the original code in the game, not built from the ground up at all.

 

[Jerm411]

Another XBox “just you wait moment” presented by Halo Infinite....

 

[phil_t98]

Sony has clearly demonstrated the power of their SSD multiple times: Demon's Souls, Spider-Man, Ratchet & Clank, UE5 demo. If it can achieve that 2-second-for-filling-the-RAM target in 4 games, it can hit it in other games as well.

Microsoft, on the other hand, hasn't yet demonstrated what the 12 TFlop GPU can do that the PS5 can't. They don't have an exclusive launch title, Halo Infinite looks like a PS3/360 generation game, and they didn't even create a graphical demo just to showcase what unique things it can do.

they have got cross gen games running well with it yes. I agree the SSD is very impressive and aint playing it down but I still think it will be a lot better in a year or 2

 

[Papacheeks]

Watch the DF interview with Bluepoint, they have the original code in the game, not built from the ground up at all.

So did Crash trilogy remakes? your point? All the assets, level, bosses were remade. Animations also were redone on top of original code. '

Also gears ultimate is a remake with brand new assets but the back engine is still xb360 code?

Your point?

Levels have no load screens and transitions are seemless, when you die your back in the game in 3 seconds.

You literally are goal posting. Astro bot is a pack in but people are saying it's on par with the latest mario game on switch.

Keep goal posting.

EDIT:

YOU putting a emoji says a lot that you have nothing but goal post reaching. You going to say this in 2-3months when Ratchet is out?

 

[Riky]

So did Crash trilogy remakes? your point? All the assets, level, bosses were remade. Animations also were redone on top of original code. '

Also gears ultimate is a remake with brand new assets but the back engine is still xb360 code?

Your point?

Levels have no load screens and transitions are seemless, when you die your back in the game in 3 seconds.

You literally are goal posting. Astro bot is a pack in but people are saying it's on par with the latest mario game on switch.

Keep goal posting.

Crash Trilogy and Gears Ultimate aren't next gen games either.

 

[Heisenberg007]

they have got cross gen games running well with it yes. I agree the SSD is very impressive and aint playing it down but I still think it will be a lot better in a year or 2

Oh yes, for sure. Both consoles will improve over the next few years. That's how almost every console generation goes. InFamous Second Son (at the start of the gen) and Ghost of Tsushima (at the very end), both games developed by Sucker Punch on the same hardware, was the perfect example.

 

[Physiognomonics]

It should be pointed out that the Xbox Series X had superior performance at the 4K Ultra HD resolution, while Digital Foundry also observed better ray tracing performance on Microsoft’s flagship new console. The site also pointed out the results are very preliminary.
Ok the hell they are talking about there. All the excuse in the OP was tolerable until that final bullshit.
It seems they can't avoid to spread FUD to their userbase, it's just too much radicate in their DNA. They totally deserve all the shitstorm and even more if they can't avoid to be so dishonest intellectually with their fanbase

They are talking about the ~5% XSX advantage in one game (DMC5).

 

[Papacheeks]

Crash Trilogy and Gears Ultimate aren't next gen games either.

So crash wasn't a PS4 gen game is what your saying? Jesus please stop. Your embarrassing yourself yet again. Demon souls may not to you be next gen but it shows off "Next gen features" that can only be done on a next gen console period.

Please keep going this is really good stuff.........

 

[Riky]

So crash wasn't a PS4 gen game is what your saying? Jesus please stop. Your embarrassing yourself yet again. Demon souls may not to you be next gen but it shows off "Next gen features" that can only be done on a next gen console period.

Please keep going this is really good stuff.........

What next gen features? It's not 4k 60 and no Ray Tracing for starters.

 

[phil_t98]

Oh yes, for sure. Both consoles will improve over the next few years. That's how almost every console generation goes. InFamous Second Son (at the start of the gen) and Ghost of Tsushima (at the very end), both games developed by Sucker Punch on the same hardware, was the perfect example.

if you got back to the start of last gen, the digital foundry videos a lot of the early games ran better frame rates on Xbox one and ps4 had higher res. we know how that ended with ps4 having the better frame rates. there is a long way to go before we can judge how good these consoles are between each other

 

[Papacheeks]

What next gen features? It's not 4k 60 and no Ray Tracing for starters.

Ssd??? Instant loading? Can you do that on your older system? It still runs better than previous games on previous hardware hence next gen. Jesus you seriously are not worth this back and fourth with your mental gymnastics on what" YOU" think constitutes next gen.

 

[Aguero9320]

The US has the biggest army in the world and it got humiliated by a bunch of sand people in Iraq.
Specs on paper are meaningless.

Step away from the keyboard

 

[cireza]

So, yes, it's a next-game game

It's great if people like and all, but it's just the same old game.

 

[Riky]

Ssd??? Instant loading? Can you do that on your older system? It still runs better than previous games on previous hardware hence next gen. Jesus you seriously are not worth this back and fourth with your mental gymnastics on what" YOU" think constitutes next gen.

What I think is next gen is not something designed originally around the hardware of a PS3.

I use an SSD on Xbox One and my N64 loads instantly too.

 

[Papacheeks]

What I think is next gen is not something designed originally around the hardware of a PS3.

I use an SSD on Xbox One and my N64 loads instantly too.

The game code is PS3, the assets, animations, character models were all redone by hand. Do you even have a clue how games are designed? Instant loading for games isn't next gen? You are now talking about N64 running in emulation? WTF.

I think your goal post machine is broken, to ignore you go.

 

[Riky]

The game code is PS3, the assets, animations, character models were all redone by hand. Do you even have a clue how games are designed? Instant loading for games isn't next gen? You are now talking about N64 running in emulation? WTF.

I think your goal post machine is broken, to ignore you go.

SSD and instant loading are features of next gen hardware, you could put pong on these machines and that wouldn't make that next gen either. Bye.

 

[sircaw]

Game is totally revamped. So, yes, it's a next-game game. Ratchet is a launch window game too. Early 2021



It's not a projection. Like i've said few posts ago :



Of course they won't said it directly. Despite Greenbergs job is marketing, does he has a rights do fuel console war? His tweet is juts a prove of that. You can promote companies product in a different way surely, not to fuel console war. There is noa conspiracy theorry about Xbox Discord group. There are bunch of screenshots. It's not even a remotely true that there is more FUD about XSX than PS5 despite PS community is larger. Xbox fans are providing FUD about PS5 since XSX reveal. You want some stuff from misterxmedia, bluenugroho, dealergaming, colteastwood, Gavin Stevens....?

sircaw show him the list.

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[Shakka43]

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That last bullet point on the list

 

[EliTheIceMan]

PR? No, I just know how to read.

Even in specs the differences between are not night and day so stop acting like it is Sonys first party games are unmatched on XSX at least In 2020

 

[jimbojim]

Watch the DF interview with Bluepoint, they have the original code in the game, not built from the ground up at all.

Crash Trilogy and Gears Ultimate aren't next gen games either.

What next gen features? It's not 4k 60 and no Ray Tracing for starters.

SSD and instant loading are features of next gen hardware, you could put pong on these machines and that wouldn't make that next gen either. Bye.

What I think is next gen is not something designed originally around the hardware of a PS3.

I use an SSD on Xbox One and my N64 loads instantly too.

Demon's Souls is a next-gen game. It was build around SSD tech from ground up. Sure you have instant loadings via SATA 3 interface on Xbone. LOL. Demon's is totally redone for next-gen. Doesn't mean if your lovely Xbox doesn't have next-gen games, same can be applied to PS5.

It's great if people like and all, but it's just the same old game.

Played the hell put of the game on PS3, now on PS5. Oh, yes, it is something new. Next-gen graphics are one of them

So crash wasn't a PS4 gen game is what your saying? Jesus please stop. Your embarrassing yourself yet again. Demon souls may not to you be next gen but it shows off "Next gen features" that can only be done on a next gen console period.

Please keep going this is really good stuff.........

Yep. Insomniac dev said that new Ratchet can't be done on PS4 because SSD. Same can be applied to Demon's

 

[sircaw]

That last bullet point on the list

My personal Favorite is "Phil Spencer felt good after seeing the ps5 show" hahah

 

[Astral Dog]

Good news, it was always going to be software issues and not the ridiculous hardware conspiracies some people are pushing.

Well.. Who knows honestly, it could be that PS5 can push more than it appears on paper

But yeah next year is gonna be quite interesting for the new Series X, if the dev kits were early or something

 

[JLB]

Another XBox “just you wait moment” presented by Halo Infinite....

aha, because that waiting thing is an xbox exclusive right? The Last Guardian says hello maybe?

 

[cireza]

it is something new

Well that's how you see it, great for you. Played the game a ton on PS3. I don't see why I would play this remake, that butchered art direction and OST by the way, today.

 

[jimbojim]

Well that's how you see it, great for you. Played the game a ton on PS3. I don't see why I would play this remake, that butchered art direction and OST by the way, today.

Art direction surely isn't butchered at all. It's better actually. Otherwise, game wouldn't receive such a great scores. Maybe you should try it

 

[cireza]

great scores

I don't care about review scores. I play games I like, not games that other people like. I have a critical opinion on things as well.

 

[Md Ray]

Watch the DF interview with Bluepoint, they have the original code in the game, not built from the ground up at all.

Gameplay code, yes. The visuals, anims, sound are all built from the ground up.

 

[Esppiral]

At least is optimized to play GameCube and PlayStation 2 games

 

[M1chl]

Not gonna lie, don't look good regardless

Most powerful console, no exclusives worth playing for a while , and the 3rd party games run equal or worse tan the other platofrm. Seris S is well.........a switch competitor.....? I have no idea, coz it seems a previous xbox or pspro would be better

Game pass is OK tho.

Yeh its a poor start, saying its gonna be fixed in patch and mature tools, isnt really an excuse

Absolutely agree, however I think we should be able to discuss what might come in the future, maybe it's going to be same maybe not.

And also Switch is not even powerful as XB1 OG on paper, but than again it has nVidia inside.

 

[thelastword]

MS has no Kinect resources to release, no OS resources like Snap and TV TV TV functionality to release this time around.... So I have one question, last gen when they sent out their engineers, did it change the XBONE fortunes in the multiplat scene vs the PS4? No.... So I'm thinking MS should keep those engineers to help out their first parties, because from where I'm standing their first parties need the help much more.....

 

[Papacheeks]

Absolutely agree, however I think we should be able to discuss what might come in the future, maybe it's going to be same maybe not.

And also Switch is not even powerful as XB1 OG on paper, but than again it has nVidia inside.

I think MS biggest uphill battle is going to be that slate wise they have shown only a few small games and one big game that currently is MIA(Infinite). We have a road map for 2021 for Sony that looks filled with great first party content and exclusive third party. So if Infinite is releasing sometime next year, what else is there going to be as we get in a better state for producing more of these boxes?

Fable is a super long ways off, RARE's new game doesn't even have gameplay concept yet, and lead on that project left. So hopefully Initiative's game which is rumored to be set in Perfect Dark universe is sometime next year?

I'm drawing a blank as to honestly Sony looking stacked as fuck, and to some extent Nintendo with their monster hunter release, possible zelda BOTW sequel, among a couple of other titles that I do know about.

WTF is going on at redmond? I really hope they start doing mini- directs to at least showcase what is to come or have a bunch of stuff to show at VGA's. Because I know for a fact Sony has got more in the tank with new titles, and "old" ones that will be making a big splash.

 

[M1chl]

I think MS biggest uphill battle is going to be that slate wise they have shown only a few small games and one big game that currently is MIA(Infinite). We have a road map for 2021 for Sony that looks filled with great first party content and exclusive third party. So if Infinite is releasing sometime next year, what else is there going to be as we get in a better state for producing more of these boxes?

Fable is a super long ways off, RARE's new game doesn't even have gameplay concept yet, and lead on that project left. So hopefully Initiative's game which is rumored to be set in Perfect Dark universe is sometime next year?

I'm drawing a blank as to honestly Sony looking stacked as fuck, and to some extent Nintendo with their monster hunter release, possible zelda BOTW sequel, among a couple of other titles that I do know about.

WTF is going on at redmond? I really hope they start doing mini- directs to at least showcase what is to come or have a bunch of stuff to show at VGA's. Because I know for a fact Sony has got more in the tank with new titles, and "old" ones that will be making a big splash.

I absolutely agree, when it comes to games and stuff, which you mentioned. I agree with that, but I feel that this is discussion about power of the console and stuff like that. We all know that the meme "Xbox has no (new) games" is true. However I like the ecosystem more and most of the games I am interested in and the prospect of my favorite studios making games, makes me lean into MS ecosystem more. For example Wasteland 3 pin me to my chair more than those AAA+ games from other publishers, I know it's not sufficient argument since Wasteland 3 is also on PS4, but the prospect is great for me. And I also love Forza Horizon the most from the exlusive games.

Sure I could play them on PC, but as a dev I am not having fun playing games on PC and makes my brain go "you should work"...

 

[Blond]

Who's butthurt? Who's desperate? About what? Because I'm pointing to their response? Lmao, the ones that seem to be worried are you people, taking a victory lap at the start of the race.

Lmfao

O’ve said it several times that Sony will never repeat the PS3 and they’ve been pulling out all the stops to make sure of that and it’s paid off but considering dev kits were floating around for well over a year (and supposedly even as far as 2-3 years) it’s not hard to see exactly why this is happening. There’s nothing that SSD will do make that GPU punch above its weight. This is going to be a worse turnaround for PlayStation fans in a year or two since the X1X was introduced that apparently destroyed all of digital foundries reputation for reporting legitimate findings lol.

Stop the cheering, y’all, you’re going to regret it especially when all this bEtHesDa WiLL seLl PlaYSTaTioN sTarField anD ElDeR scRaAwLs gets shot down the moment the merger is approved.

 

[AgentP]

Watch the DF interview with Bluepoint, they have the original code in the game, not built from the ground up at all.

I think you misunderstand. The did not just run the PS3 code, they used the original timings and logic so it felt the same. They still needed all new art, sound effects and a PS5 engine.

 

[Sejanus]

We’re going to see this apu used by Microsoft in a different context and then you’ll see why they added cus to the design they knew wouldn’t help with 3D rendering.

For what?
Yes yes I remember the server/gamepass/xbox one bullshit.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

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It's super good. Literally goes into a lot of hardware depth on the creation of PS3. It was super advanced for it's time, hell up till the last couple years it's cpu is still looked at by Missle targeting systems.
It's just that it was too complicated and not enough documentation was available. Look at what they were able to do closer to the end of the gen with it?

Ken Kutaragi along with everyone at Sony were not really enterprise CEO's. They all started in electronics, entertainment.
Which is why barring the PS3 the back bone of Playstation is entertainment, and not Enterprise like Microsoft.
Microsoft not treating Xbox as a entertainment/art system is what has fucked it. No one but the original creators who some had ties to sega could tell you what xbox meant to them. I always say this but, the Original XBox has a ton of Sega DNA, and honestly felt like the dreamcast 2.0. They had built in lan, a HDD, DVD drive and a chat library style system where you could do other things from the main menu.

Even a lot of the early titles were sega. Sega rally gt, Jet set radio future, Gunvalkryie, Otagi, Panzer Dragoon Orta, shenmue 2 port, phantasy star online, outrun 2.

The list is pretty big and a lot of those were first year titles.
Xbox has been fucked since Original because the wrong people started it's division for the wrong reasons. They wanted the box to be your center living room box, to do tv and shit. I mean they had a recording feature for original xbox to watch tv at some point there's pics online of a old RF adapter that goes into your xbox. They tried doing tv stuff with Windows Media center that you could link your xbox to for content sharing.

But thats not what made people love the xbox. ANd the people at Microsoft didn't know what they had.
I feel now it's too late. Even with phil at the helm. He has to adhere to the Nadella guidelines the rest of the company is.....services. TO them xbox now is just a another service on a spreadsheet of their assets.
Sony lets Playstation be what it is, and supports it through other divisions. Like film division they use some of their facilities for the mo-cap, same with sound studios.

it blows to be like this on a brand that to me had a lot going for it in the early beginnings. But too many enterprise people and not enough of people like J allard ran the division into the ground. Now they are trying so desperately they are giving away their software. But no one really wants it. They want to play Doom eternal, red dead 2, destiny 2, or dmcv.

I know services is the direction this is all going in at some point, but if PC is still viable through all the shit it's been through then regular game ownership is too on consoles. Subscription is another avenue for sure for people who like having a variety of games and are not particular in what they play.

For the rest of us, though we like getting hyped up for a title we have come to love.

Xbox used to be awesome during the 360 days.

I owned 2 Xbox 360's during that time. There were some really good games on that console that I thoroughly enjoyed.

Have not been back to Xbox since then and there was no incentive to go back.

 

[dorkimoe]

Be curious what games you guys are having issues with.
downloaded bloodborne on ps5 and it was unplayable. Frame rate was brutal. So at least Xbox is trying to optimize

 

[jimbojim]

I don't care about review scores. I play games I like, not games that other people like. I have a critical opinion on things as well.

Like bunch of us has. But sometimes opinion can be wrong.

 

[devilNprada]

On the flip side, I have a massive backlog of games that I want to get through whenever I get my hands on a XSX.

Touch'e... but about 65 million more people have larger backlogs on PS5...

 

[devilNprada]

Be curious what games you guys are having issues with.

Bugsnax at first froze up but seems corrected as we platnumed it this weekend..
AC Valhalla would not save or fast travel and had to restart game after about 30 hours in...

 

[cireza]

But sometimes opinion can be wrong.

I am actually not dismissing others' opinions. Unlike you. Great tag, fits you well.

 

[jimbojim]

I am actually not dismissing others' opinions. Unlike you. Great tag, fits you well.

Me neither. But my tag has nothing to do with it regarding Demon's Souls. Actually, your excuse is lame

 

[JackMcGunns]

Sony, just like MS, updates their SDK? What's so ridiculous about that?

Do you think the PS5 is already maxed out?

Both consoles are pushing towards their theoretical Max.

When PS5 tools are amazing and even at 100% perfection, it will be at its 10.28TF Max.

When XSX tools are amazing, it will be closer to 12TF, it’s simple logic, if they both get to max efficiency, the one with more TF will have better performance.

 

[Mobilemofo]

You do realise 12 teraflops isn't marketing? It's an actual figure that comes from the number of compute units and clock speeds. It's a reality.
As well as the memory bandwidth being higher and the CPU running faster, they are the actual facts.
The generation is more than a few cross gen launch games, we'll see who has the rough ride.

You do realise 12 teraflops is a theoretical number, only achievable in ideal conditions?

 

[MasterCornholio]

You do realise 12 teraflops is a theoretical number, only achievable in ideal conditions?

Pretty much explains how a 10.28TF system can outperform or equal a 12TF system. It all depends on how close developers can get to the theoretical maximums.

 

[Kumomeme]

lmao someone try hard trying to downplay Demon Souls as next gen game is outstanding dedication.

to the point using similliar code as source of argument. then what about the visual, animation, loading and other stuff? those definitely what the new ps5's hardware capabilities is, not ps3. it surely same game as the one in ps3, but this one surely another good example of technical leap of 2 generation. the graphics, visual,physic, animation, loading speed is what the ps5 hardware made for and the game utilize around it. the game already out, the result is out. cant denied that.

 

[Mobilemofo]

Pretty much explains how a 10.28TF system can outperform or equal a 12TF system. It all depends on how close developers can get to the theoretical maximums.

Correct. Balance..

 

[JLB]

lmao someone try hard trying to downplay Demon Souls as next gen game is outstanding dedication.

to the point using similliar code as source of argument. then what about the visual, animation, loading and other stuff? those definitely what the new ps5's hardware capabilities is, not ps3. it surely same game as the one in ps3, but this one surely another good example of technical leap of 2 generation. the graphics, visual,physic, animation, loading speed is what the ps5 hardware made for and the game utilize around it. the game already out, the result is out. cant denied that.

Theres plenty of games that look much, much but like ton of much better than Demon Souls. Like games of the previous generation like TLOU2 or RDR2, and they are not even close. Games like AC: Valhalla -I game I dont like btw- looks much better as well.
I can understand that some love the game, thats ok, but is far from being a technical demonstration of next gen consoles. Still no game is such thing.
Maybe CP2077 once next gen patches arrive.